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Title: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on April 10, 2018, 08:17:16 pm
Back to our favourite feeder club, allegedly.

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/posh/posh-latest-forest-fancy-marriott-as-well-as-maddison-1-8453246
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on April 10, 2018, 08:24:34 pm
Yep he’s a good player.  I would take him.  Hard worker as well.  Would have to be as we don’t really create many chances.


Chicago:  Approving.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on April 10, 2018, 11:36:23 pm
Why would you say he's hard-working?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on April 10, 2018, 11:37:55 pm
If we are going to sign anyone this summer, they're going to need to have some pace. Brentford were quicker than us all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on April 10, 2018, 11:40:50 pm
yes, we were noticeably lacking in pace tonight, but thats been a problem for some time now
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on April 10, 2018, 11:59:28 pm
yes, we were noticeably lacking in pace tonight, but thats been a problem for some time now
Tends not to massively improve buying 'experienced' players, who 'know the game', either. Still a good pre-season in Ben Watsons legs, and I'm sure we will be golden.

Speak to you again at christmas.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on April 11, 2018, 02:45:50 am
Why would you say he's hard-working?

Well Shady this will give you some cheer.  He has shades of Jack Lester about him.  Puts himself about.  Tireless worker and can score goals.  The question is will he actually get the ball passed to him or will he have to get it himself and be too knackered after doing so to actually score.  The player from what I have seen will do well in the higher leagues.  If we don't get him I could imagine a Leeds type team snapping him up.  (luckily for us they are just as mental as our lot).

Chicago: Talent scout. 

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on April 11, 2018, 02:48:19 am
If we are going to sign anyone this summer, they're going to need to have some pace. Brentford were quicker than us all over the pitch.

I didn't think they were much quicker than us.  BB was torching them for speed but lacking the finishing product.  He got through to the edge of the box running in for a one on one and then inexplicably cut back (Kranky probably told him to defend the ball (sic).

Lolley and BB are fast.  So are Mckay, Cash and Walker.  Whether they will actually get a forward ball into channels is another thing altogether. 

Chicago:  Channel spotter. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 11, 2018, 06:25:55 am
I didn't think they were much quicker than us.  BB was torching them for speed but lacking the finishing product.  He got through to the edge of the box running in for a one on one and then inexplicably cut back (Kranky probably told him to defend the ball (sic).

Lolley and BB are fast.  So are Mckay, Cash and Walker.  Whether they will actually get a forward ball into channels is another thing altogether. 

Chicago:  Channel spotter. 

None of those players are slow but none of them are exceptionally quick in the way of a Nathan Tyson, Franz Carr or Des Walker. Those were players who, in an even race you'd expect to always get to the ball first and, most times, to make up a couple of yards over 10. All the players you list are as quick as a normal modern professional footballer.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on April 14, 2018, 10:03:49 pm
I'd honestly give Karanka a mulligan for the last couple of months - it's very difficult to change the tyres on a moving car. I want to see what our transfer policy looks like when it's being executed with the benefit of time and knowledge of the existing squad; I've absolutely no idea what we do next.

This summer, the following players are out of contract:

Fuentes
Dejagah
Vaughan
Cohen
Hobbs

I can't see any of them being offered new terms, and frankly I'd expect at least two of them to retire.

We also lose the following loan players:

Tomlin
Colback
Dowell
Pantilimon
Figueiredo

I can see us having interest in the last two; Tomlin has been useful and he's out of contract so we could probably keep him if we wanted to, but I'm not entirely convinced we do.

So let's assume none of those come back, our squad looks like this:

GK: Evtimov, Smith, Henderson, Kapino

D:  Lichaj, Mancienne, Worrall, Fox, Darikwa, Traore, Lam

M: Bridcutt, Cash, Guedioura, Watson, Bouchalakis, Osborn, McKay, Lolley, Ariyibi, Ward

F: Brereton, Murphy, Vellios, Cummings, Walker, Clough

There's a lot of talk about our bloated squad as a result of the January spending spree, but as we can see the big problem wasn't created by Karanka - he inherited it. We've got so much complete sh!t to get rid of, especially in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on April 14, 2018, 10:09:24 pm
It's a fair point you make. Thank Christ Karanka added clear value to the squad with his purchases in January.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on April 14, 2018, 10:25:31 pm
Yes, in hindsight it was very sensible sacking Warburton because he didn't want to buy any more sh!t. That way we were able to stock up on sh!t ahead of the summer window, and take the pressure off needing all the sh!t then.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on April 14, 2018, 10:40:12 pm
It's a fair point you make. Thank Christ Karanka added clear value to the squad with his purchases in January.

He brought in short term players to fill perceived gaps. It's entirely reasonable to question how good a job he did of that, but the only players we're left with from the January transfer activity after the end of the season are Lolley, Watson and Guedioura, and I think the only one that hasn't worked out so well there is Geddy who was clearly just brought in to make Chicago happy.

Yes, in hindsight it was very sensible sacking Warburton because he didn't want to buy any more sh!t. That way we were able to stock up on sh!t ahead of the summer window, and take the pressure off needing all the sh!t then.

We sacked Warburton because he bought sh!t that was once not sh!t but is now, or sh!t that is unlikely to ever be anything but sh!t, or sh!t that might not have been sh!t until he made them sh!t.

Now we've got a lot of sh!t that we need to get rid of. Some of it he inherited, some of it he bought, and some of it he created. With a bit of luck we can un-sh!t some of his sh!t, but most of it we'll need to make someone else's sh!t so we can buy some players who will hopefully be not sh!t.

Right, sorted.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on April 14, 2018, 10:48:01 pm
I’m pretty sure Lam and Henderson are out of contract this summer.

Tomlin cost Cardiff £3m last summer so I’d imagine they’d want close to that. Not worth it for me.

Figgy has a purchase agreement in the loan deal so hopefully that will be straight forward and likewise Cummings to Rangers.

Clough and Walker have barely had a kick for Bolton so we will be stuck with them amongst the other rubbish.

We’d need to spend £20m well to even be close to challenging.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on April 14, 2018, 10:49:46 pm
....Now we've got a lot of sh!t that we need to get rid of. Some of it he inherited, some of it he bought, and some of it he created. With a bit of luck we can un-sh!t some of his sh!t, but most of it we'll need to make someone else's sh!t so we can buy some players who will hopefully be not sh!t.

The big problem with buying players who are not sh!t, is that we will be competing with other teams who are ahead oof us (existing not sh!t, bigger budgets). Also sh!t, or not sh!t, is slightly dependent on the way the manager sees things.

Ideally we would buy players who are not sh!t now, and wont be sh!t when we get the next manager in. Perhaps we could put in place some sort of strategy to work towards this?

No actual evidence that this is yet sorted.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on April 14, 2018, 10:57:54 pm
I’m pretty sure Lam and Henderson are out of contract this summer.

Tomlin cost Cardiff £3m last summer so I’d imagine they’d want close to that. Not worth it for me.

Figgy has a purchase agreement in the loan deal so hopefully that will be straight forward and likewise Cummings to Rangers.

Clough and Walker have barely had a kick for Bolton so we will be stuck with them amongst the other rubbish.

We’d need to spend £20m well to even be close to challenging.

I'm going off transfermarkt.co.uk, although I'm happy to accept that it could be wrong as it doesn't seem to be aware that Lichaj signed a contract extension at Christmas. However, according to them Lam is under contract until the end of next season (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/thomas-lam/profil/spieler/131821).

You're right about Tomlin, I'd misread the date his loan ends as the date that his contract is up but if they're already sending him out on loan you have to think that they probably aren't too keen on keeping him, especially if they go up. I'm not excited about the idea of paying a lot for him though.

Agree with the rest of your post, although I think we can probably move Clough on fairly easily if we want to and aren't fussed about recouping the transfer fee, and Walker probably doesn't cost much.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on April 14, 2018, 11:03:47 pm
The big problem with buying players who are not sh!t, is that we will be competing with other teams who are ahead oof us (existing not sh!t, bigger budgets). Also sh!t, or not sh!t, is slightly dependent on the way the manager sees things.

Ideally we would buy players who are not sh!t now, and wont be sh!t when we get the next manager in. Perhaps we could put in place some sort of strategy to work towards this?

No actual evidence that this is yet sorted.

Agreed. One would hope that that's why they brought in Luke Dowling from Watford.

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/11541109.Dowling_on_his_rise_from_non_league_to_Watford/

Sounds like the kind of thing we're interested in, does it not?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on April 14, 2018, 11:13:14 pm
.....Sounds like the kind of thing we're interested in, does it not?
It does.  After our failed sh!t or bust season, next season, we'll need someone to trim the wage bill.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on April 14, 2018, 11:19:11 pm
It does.  After our failed sh!t or bust season, next season, we'll need someone to trim the wage bill.

Possibly. Brace yourself, though. They've had 8 managers in the last four seasons, not that it appears to have done them too much harm.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on April 15, 2018, 12:12:03 am
How quickly Jorge Grant  (who signed a three-year deal last summer) is forgotten.
I'd be interested in what we do with Ryan Yates as well - I'd like to see him get a pre-season with the first team at least
Also with first-team experience...
I expect Iacovitti and McDonagh will be allowed to leave, although Ahmedhodzic may get another year (I think Evtimov will probably be off as well)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on April 15, 2018, 12:27:04 am
It will be really interesting to see how our strategy allows for development. I thing we need some to bridge the gap between where we are and our competitors, based on spending power. I'm not seeing where it comes from though.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on April 15, 2018, 04:36:20 am
How quickly Jorge Grant  (who signed a three-year deal last summer) is forgotten.
I'd be interested in what we do with Ryan Yates as well - I'd like to see him get a pre-season with the first team at least
Also with first-team experience...
I expect Iacovitti and McDonagh will be allowed to leave, although Ahmedhodzic may get another year (I think Evtimov will probably be off as well)

I don't think we will keep Jorge Grant. I don't think he is championship quality.

I think Ryan Yates may well be something special though. I think he will be given a chance in pre-season.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 15, 2018, 07:58:18 am
Lam has another year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36706072
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on April 15, 2018, 09:05:42 am
Obviously it's all opinions but I would be disappointed to see Clough, McKay and, Walker chucked in the bin. They are players a good coach should be able to work with to at least be valuable parts of the squad.

Figueiredo will no doubt be the first signing and he has been impressive so good move. I wouldn't bother with the other loans, but if we do I'd take Dowell ahead of Tomlin. I think Watson has quality but he is painfully slow to watch at times and Geddy whilst occasionally lively in bursts seems to rely on chipping balls aimlessly into space and hoping someone can chase it down, we'll need much quickr players for that to work out.

Karanka talked yesterday like he will be central to recruitment, but hopefully Dowling will be implementing a recruitment strategy to replace the years of Forest boards going to the manager when the window opens and asking if he's had any thoughts about who to sign.

I'm guessing we'll have massive turnover again. One day it would be nice to only be looking for 2 or 3 signings in a summer window and only buying when we get exactly what we want, but that'll need a plan.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on April 15, 2018, 11:27:53 am
Obviously it's all opinions but I would be disappointed to see Clough, McKay and, Walker chucked in the bin. They are players a good coach should be able to work with to at least be valuable parts of the squad.

Figueiredo will no doubt be the first signing and he has been impressive so good move. I wouldn't bother with the other loans, but if we do I'd take Dowell ahead of Tomlin. I think Watson has quality but he is painfully slow to watch at times and Geddy whilst occasionally lively in bursts seems to rely on chipping balls aimlessly into space and hoping someone can chase it down, we'll need much quickr players for that to work out.

Karanka talked yesterday like he will be central to recruitment, but hopefully Dowling will be implementing a recruitment strategy to replace the years of Forest boards going to the manager when the window opens and asking if he's had any thoughts about who to sign.

I'm guessing we'll have massive turnover again. One day it would be nice to only be looking for 2 or 3 signings in a summer window and only buying when we get exactly what we want, but that'll need a plan.



Another season wasted, and then probably next season will be 'transition', if we are lucky. If Karanka stays that long.

What gets me is the owners. Aren't they tearing their hair out at all this wasted money and time? Didn't they see what the last lot were like and think "we're not going to fall into that trap like they did"?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on April 15, 2018, 11:47:59 am
What gets me is the owners. Aren't they tearing their hair out at all this wasted money and time? Didn't they see what the last lot were like and think "we're not going to fall into that trap like they did"?
What's doubly confusing is the statement made in the open letter from the chairman. Take away Russ's hobby horse about the individuals, which is not a concern to me (I'm not wedded to any specific individual now TGLE has gone), and look at the strategy component. It implies development, that requires patience and time.

We have to assume that's in the bin, but no further comment has been passed on it. The club's moves since then (pitch facing) have looked the opposite to the previous implied strategy. One can have a view about appropriate strategy for a club in our position, but I doubt many people think the flip-flops every transfer window is a good idea.

It pretty much guarantees that we get a poor value return from our investment level. We are like a problem gambler, constantly looking at what we might win... But not having sufficient regard for our continuing losses.

I would prefer value backed investment. Not gambling.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on April 15, 2018, 01:27:16 pm
f*cks sake, are we STILL droning on about that f*cking 'open letter'?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on April 15, 2018, 01:46:47 pm
f*cks sake, are we STILL droning on about that f*cking 'open letter'?
No we are droning on about the club saying a certain approach being the right one, then jetisonning it, moving in a completely different direction that has turned out to be expensive sh!t that is worse for results and entertainment.

Because that's the sort of mindless arse we do on discussion forums.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on April 15, 2018, 03:31:05 pm
If the NEP are to be believed, Kranky is talking about trying to sign Colbeck and Tomlin permanently. If we do we will struggle again next season or they will warm the bench for decent wages. They are not good enough. Not enough desire, not enough skill and don't work hard enough for the rest of the team. Journey men of little value, just as Geddy is who we are stuck with.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on April 15, 2018, 04:09:30 pm
f*cks sake, are we STILL droning on about that f*cking 'open letter'?

Yep, and I expect we will keep droning on about it until the club shares with the fans its update on our strategy.

I kind of thought the Chairman might have done that in his last open letter but that was more about the owner not being a heroin smuggler.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on April 15, 2018, 04:20:21 pm
Yep, and I expect we will keep droning on about it until the club shares with the fans its update on our strategy.

I kind of thought the Chairman might have done that in his last open letter but that was more about the owner not being a heroin smuggler.

I am wondering what the point of Nicholas Randall is. He supports QPR, lives and works in London, and doesn't communicate with the fans on behalf of the club very often. Does he attend home games much?

I'm sure he's a proper chap and everything, but maybe a chairman who had a bit more of a local presence and a public voice might be more useful.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on April 15, 2018, 04:51:03 pm
I am available, for the right offer.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Psychobel on April 16, 2018, 08:31:28 am
I am available, for the right offer.
I suspect a kebab and reasonable access to a glory hole would be sufficient in your case.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on April 16, 2018, 08:59:03 am
I am wondering what the point of Nicholas Randall is. He supports QPR, lives and works in London, and doesn't communicate with the fans on behalf of the club very often. Does he attend home games much?

I'm sure he's a proper chap and everything, but maybe a chairman who had a bit more of a local presence and a public voice might be more useful.

Yes he is at every home game
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Loafé on April 16, 2018, 09:16:19 am
Does he sing the 'mist rolling in' song?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on April 16, 2018, 09:48:22 am
More importantly does he sing "lost that loving feeling" whenever we score, rather than in the correct context.... And does he sing "the blues" without any notion that it only works for teams that play in, err blue, like the rest of the Muppets?

Does he have a player that he relentlessly abuses, despite no real evidence there is anything particularly wrong with that player?

Does he whine about loyalty, but demand that the club "f*cking get rid", "because he's sh!t"?

You know, is he a 'proper' fan?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on April 16, 2018, 10:07:18 am
It's probably already done the rounds on here already but there was an excellent defense of our 18 year old striker doing the twitter rounds that was basically my youth, but made me feel middle class as I had my own socks.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: graham on April 16, 2018, 03:02:04 pm
On Saturday, there was libellous mumbling behind me that a crowd of 25,000 was "Greek counting". I assume that the point of Nicholas Randall QC is to quell this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on April 16, 2018, 06:42:50 pm
There weren’t 25,000 there but it was a pretty decent crowd and we count seats sold, not bodies through the turnstile.

Also, Marinakis is a stand-up guy who has never told a lie or smuggled any heroin. I know because it was in the open letter that we keep banging on about.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on April 16, 2018, 07:25:10 pm
In fairness I don't think it claimed that he hadn't smuggled any heroin...just that he was not guilty of the charges at that time on the table. I also don't think it claimed he had never told a lie. That's like claiming you have never had a w@nk.  It's theoretically possible, but highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on April 16, 2018, 07:31:33 pm
Why would you say you had a bigger attendance than you actually got?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 16, 2018, 07:43:34 pm
In fairness I don't think it claimed that he hadn't smuggled any heroin...just that he was not guilty of the charges at that time on the table. I also don't think it claimed he had never told a lie. That's like claiming you have never had a w@nk.  It's theoretically possible, but highly unlikely.

It said he hadn't been charged with anything. Just accused.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 16, 2018, 07:46:01 pm
Why would you say you had a bigger attendance than you actually got?

Big crowds are good pr - a 5k increase in attendance this season compared to last makes the new owners look good and makes the board look good to the owners. Also creates the impression it's necessary to buy a season ticket to guarantee a decent seat.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on April 16, 2018, 08:36:29 pm
Also, I'm not saying that our owner is an international drug smuggler with a need to launder as much money as possible, but if I were an international drug smuggler with a need to launder as much money as possible then I'd certainly consider a football club and its turnstiles to be a pretty good way of doing it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dk on April 16, 2018, 11:47:22 pm
Also, I'm not saying that our owner is an international drug smuggler with a need to launder as much money as possible, but if I were an international drug smuggler with a need to launder as much money as possible then I'd certainly consider a football club and its turnstiles to be a pretty good way of doing it.
But they don't take cash at the turnstiles any more?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on April 16, 2018, 11:51:56 pm
But they don't take cash at the turnstiles any more?

Figure of speech. The point is that you don't have to provide a tangible product, so if 18,000 people buy a ticket to a match you can run another 5000 tickets' worth of money into the business and claim that your attendance was 23,000 without anyone asking where the 5000 fictional things you sold came from. The 20% VAT you surrender is probably still a discount on lots of other methods of cleaning the money.

Not, you understand, that I am for a moment suggesting that football clubs are used by anyone for laundering money, only that if you were of such a mind it would be a pretty good way of doing so.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on April 17, 2018, 12:52:02 am
Why would you say you had a bigger attendance than you actually got?

It's not an attendance figure, it's a seats sold figure.

I have three seats to my side which are always free. I've never seen anyone sit in them all season, however you can never buy tickets there on match days as they are always listed as unavailable (ie. sold).

The issue will be even more acute next season as they are now allowing ST holders to buy additional seats for kids for £10, however I imagine most of these seats will be empty on midweek evening games.

It's always been the same.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: graham on April 17, 2018, 01:20:38 pm
Saturday's  programme had a Loans Watch feature which provided an update on the proven talent we have exported. Jason Cummings was an unused substitute for Rangers. Zach Clough was an unused substitute for Bolton. Armand Traore was an unused  substitute for Cardiff. Tyler Walker wasn't involved in Bolton's match day squad at Bolton. Neither was Jamie Ward at Cardiff.

The one ray of light was Thomas Lam who "played the full 90 minutes for FC Twente as they moved a step closer to relegation with a 3-1 defeat ".
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on April 17, 2018, 01:40:37 pm
Big crowds are good pr - a 5k increase in attendance this season compared to last makes the new owners look good and makes the board look good to the owners. Also creates the impression it's necessary to buy a season ticket to guarantee a decent seat.

d*rby are currently backtracking on their old attendance figures because they now look like their crowds are going down!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 20, 2018, 04:05:17 pm
First business concluded: https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2018/april/tobias-figueiredo-to-join-permanently/

2m Euros seems like a good price.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on April 20, 2018, 04:26:57 pm
Yeah, not unhappy with that. I rather suspect that that is the full stop on Mancienne's Forest career. Good player, but not the leader we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on April 20, 2018, 04:43:06 pm
.....that is the full stop on Mancienne's Forest career.

Until the next manager....
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Brid on April 21, 2018, 03:05:55 pm
Good signing, I’d say - he’s looked pretty comfortable every time I’ve seen him, & he’s still young.

Brid.  [Yes, I do still exist...]
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on April 28, 2018, 01:49:04 pm
Seriously, does anyone really believe Marney and Dawson will add to the team. Dawson especially has been part of a shocking defense at Hull. I think there is too much nostalgia amongst fans. Marney is a dreadful waste of funds. We want players with fire in their belly who are ambitious. I don't even mind them using the club as a stepping stone.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on April 28, 2018, 07:11:38 pm
Seriously, does anyone really believe Marney and Dawson will add to the team. Dawson especially has been part of a shocking defense at Hull. I think there is too much nostalgia amongst fans. Marney is a dreadful waste of funds. We want players with fire in their belly who are ambitious. I don't even mind them using the club as a stepping stone.

Well I don't know Marney or his attributes so I will trust the manager to believe he will get the best out of him IF he were to be signed (which we don't know yet, it's all speculation). Dawson? Agree there is some sentimentality, but he I still a quality player who would be a good Cohen-esque presence in the dressing room and on the training pitch (and wouldn't come attached to a massive fee). I'm sure there will be a range of players coming in, of varying ages, experience and attributes. Who they are though is anyones guess at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 02, 2018, 04:27:33 pm
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/hull-city-defender-max-clark-1525606.      Why would we want to sign two defenders from a side that are as bad at the back as we are.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 02, 2018, 05:05:58 pm
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/hull-city-defender-max-clark-1525606.      Why would we want to sign two defenders from a side that are as bad at the back as we are.

At a guess, because that's not how football works and we think that they represent value for money and upgrades on what we have.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Psychobel on May 02, 2018, 05:19:28 pm
Yeah, not unhappy with that. I rather suspect that that is the full stop on Mancienne's Forest career. Good player, but not the leader we need.
Seems no coincidence that the defence tightened up with him in it. And with Fox there. I've never warmed to Mancienne. Always seems to have a mistake in him and a slightness that he doesn't quite compensate for in other ways.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 02, 2018, 05:23:30 pm
At a guess, because that's not how football works and we think that they represent value for money and upgrades on what we have.
Plus, it will definitely help in replicating the 'ull game plan.

Choo Choo!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on May 02, 2018, 05:52:59 pm


I am looking at the list of freebies available and it doesn't look overly inspiring on a championship level apart from Gunnaaaarrrrssson is available from Cardiff.  He is by far their best player.  Can we nick him and Tomlin for nominal fees and then give Yates a bit of a feeler and our under 18 star who just signed a new contract as Dortmund and Liverpool want him (appiah) and I would rather he get a chance here.  I doubt Kranky understands yoof though so next season it's clogger central probably.


Chicago: Youthist. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 02, 2018, 06:26:49 pm
My old man has watched Jorge Grant a few times for Notts and thinks there's no way he won't play at Championship level next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 02, 2018, 06:29:11 pm
Not for us he wont.  
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on May 02, 2018, 09:16:00 pm
My old man has watched Jorge Grant a few times for Notts and thinks there's no way he won't play at Championship level next season.
I've seen him twice this season. He was gash both times.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on May 02, 2018, 09:16:38 pm
he I still a quality player who would be a good Cohen-esque presence in the dressing room and on the training pitch

Isn't that Daryl Murphy''s job?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 02, 2018, 09:26:17 pm
I've seen him twice this season. He was gash both times.

He was in the League 2 team of the year, and he scored something like 18 goals from midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on May 02, 2018, 10:19:15 pm
He was in the League 2 team of the year, and he scored something like 18 goals from midfield.
Fair to say it's a season of two halves for him. 16 in 30-odd games up to New Year's Day, two in 22 in 2018. Both games I saw were this year.
He played 53 games in total, which is a lot for anyone, so maybe tiredness was a factor in the second half of the season.
Whatever, I'd be surprised to see him starting under Aitor.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 02, 2018, 10:36:47 pm
I think we might have seen a few younger players come through development with a development type manager.  The type of manager is likely to use less of the ones we thought of as previously established, not integrate more.

We are expected to bring in around ten players in the summer. I expect them to be experienced, supplemented by a cohort of season long loans, and Jorge Grant (amongst others) to be sold.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 03, 2018, 12:15:24 am
Seen Grant play a few times over the last year or so whilst he has been at Notts. Can't say I was terribly impressed - yes pretty good for the standard of football he is at perhaps, but didn't seem to be someone who would automatically start at championship level. If we were doing the slow-burn thing, bringing youngsters through and reducing expectations then he may cut it as a squad player, but I just can't see him getting anywhere near a Karanka first XI next season.

Yates is a bit different. Solid presence, looks to have bags of potential and stepped up the league above (and his absence really hurt Notts). Whether he is good enough yet at this level remains to be seen, but I reckon he will have a good chance to impress during pre-season.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Psychobel on May 03, 2018, 12:15:59 am
s, and Jorge Grant (amongst others) to be sold.
Which would be a shame. At one time, he was the anointed one ahead of Cash. The little I've seen of him suggested he might have something, but perhaps not enough?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 03, 2018, 02:53:04 am
You never know how they might come through. Every change in level has hazards, and young players need to learn and gain consistency. I just don't think the will be the opportunity for that he for the next year or two. Which will be crucial for Grant.... And Cash.

If I was the sort of player who was at that critical point where I need to be playing, I'd be looking for options away from us. Out of necessity.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 03, 2018, 02:58:07 am
You never know how they might come through. Every change in level has hazards, and young players need to learn and gain consistency. I just don't think the will be the opportunity for that he for the next year or two. Which will be crucial for Grant.... And Cash.

If I was the sort of player who was at that critical point where I need to be playing, I'd be looking for options away from us. Out of necessity.

Hasn't Cash been pretty much an ever-present under Karanka, and done very well?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 03, 2018, 03:01:24 am
Hasn't Cash been pretty much an ever-present under Karanka, and done very well?
When ten players come in during the summer, is your expectation that they replace everyone but Cash?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 03, 2018, 03:34:37 am
When ten players come in during the summer, is your expectation that they replace everyone but Cash?

OK, before we start scribing this into lore let's look at where that came from, which was Donny's NEP link:

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Reds boss Aitor Karanka has said he needs to "make changes this summer" and it is understood he hopes to bring in as many as 10 new additions to the ranks.

Is he going to bring 10 players in? It's certainly possible, especially if we have 24 on their way out as has also been rumoured. Current squad size is 38 including players currently out on loan; 24 leaving would give us 14 remaining, and a modern Championship squad is probably optimally sized at around 25 players. So the maths check out, and there's absolutely no reason why Matty Cash shouldn't be part of that squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 03, 2018, 08:08:43 am
I have a view. You might remember that I highlighted how Kranky 'got the best out of the squad' during his time at Boro. With the number and cost of his transfer dealings. To give that type of manager any sort of chance of success, you need to back him. That means ready made players, and lots of them.

I'm sure, like me, you hope it works. We likely won't be able to afford to do it twice. I expect Matty Cash's (and anyone elses) development to be a casualty. Collateral damage. That's not what we signed up for.

... And, by the way, it's no big secret in football that there's a whole lot of shaking going on at forest. The word is out that we are buying. Expect some hard nosed deals where you say 'how much?'. There are some big (over the hill) players keen to get on the gravy train while it's about to briefly pull into the platform.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 03, 2018, 02:06:59 pm
Crikey, Sheffield Wednesday not getting a great return... (https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/how-much-every-championship-team-1526996)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on May 03, 2018, 02:20:05 pm
£10m on Jordan Rhodes. Jesus.

Watch us buy him off them for £12m.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 03, 2018, 02:31:25 pm
£10m on Jordan Rhodes. Jesus.

Watch us buy him off them for £12m.

I've never seen the fuss about Rhodes, but then I've only ever seen him in the odd game here and there.

My Blackburn-supporting colleague says he's an excellent player. Not interested until the ball gets around the box, but then absolutely lethal.

For the record, I'd sooner we didn't spend seven figures on him (or anyone).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 03, 2018, 02:38:19 pm
For the record, I'd sooner we didn't spend seven figures on him (or anyone).

7 (seven)? I bloody hope we do spend seven (7) figures on someone.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 03, 2018, 02:40:55 pm
I doubt that the posts figures are much good (we spend £25m a season on squad costs, so how can the 'squad cost' be £7m?). Nevertheless, it proves a point.  We need to be spending in the region of an additional £30m (it may well be much more, given age and inaccuracy of figures, and the recent increase in parachute payments) to be competing closer to the top six spenders.

Such is the problem with a "sum of the parts" management strategy.

...and yes, more than seven figures, several times, will be mandatory to get us anywhere near.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 03, 2018, 02:41:18 pm
7 (seven)? I bloody hope we do spend seven (7) figures on someone.


Apologies - eight figures of course! I meant the sort of £10m+ that Wednesday had forked out.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 03, 2018, 02:52:39 pm
I doubt that the posts figures are much good (we spend £25m a season on squad costs, so how can the 'squad cost' be £7m?). Nevertheless, it proves a point.  We need to be spending in the region of an additional £30m (it may well be much more, given age and inaccuracy of figures, and the recent increase in parachute payments) to be competing closer to the top six spenders.


I've seen that table before, so it certainly isn't the Post's own work. It's only referring to transfer fees, so of limited (no) value. But waiting until all the clubs have produced their accounts early next year for the true figures isn't going to cut it in the fast moving world of journalism (or the NEP).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 03, 2018, 02:59:52 pm
I've seen that table before, so it certainly isn't the Post's own work. It's only referring to transfer fees, so of limited (no) value. But waiting until all the clubs have produced their accounts early next year for the true figures isn't going to cut it in the fast moving world of journalism (or the NEP).
I suspected that. As you say it's of no real value.....except to factor in that the top spenders are spending £30+ million on transfer fees, plus likely supporting bigger wages, on a better established starting squad (so better players on the whole).

Still. Choo-choo, eh?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on May 03, 2018, 03:00:25 pm
We're rumoured to be in for Elvis O'Tim, whoever that is.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 03, 2018, 03:02:34 pm
An Irish cross over rhythm 'n blues country singer, who later on needs a lift?

Must be a replacement for Reidy.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on May 03, 2018, 03:17:30 pm
I've seen that table before, so it certainly isn't the Post's own work. It's only referring to transfer fees, so of limited (no) value. But waiting until all the clubs have produced their accounts early next year for the true figures isn't going to cut it in the fast moving world of journalism (or the NEP).

To be fair, they do say in the intro paragraphs....

"Our colleagues at The Mirror have crunched the numbers and calculated the costs of each and every Championship squad, which are presented here from the lowest spenders to ......"
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on May 03, 2018, 03:18:12 pm
We're rumoured to be in for Elvis O'Tim, whoever that is.

Isn't that a youngster we've just released?

Not sure if I'm missing a gag....
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 03, 2018, 03:24:32 pm
....except they haven't. The numbers they quote bear no relationship to the true costs of every championship squad.  So crap number crunching from the mirror. Still the lazy cut and paste job was up to the posts usual standards, so well done there.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on May 03, 2018, 04:09:21 pm
Someone on twitter posted a link to that Mirror article last week. I thought "£7M to assemble our squad? No f*cking way" and ignored it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 10, 2018, 11:52:25 am
Looks like Rangers want Jason Cummings (remember him?). Can't imagine we'll stand in his/their way.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on May 10, 2018, 01:10:13 pm
The consensus on Twitter seems to be to get rid of everyone. I would like to see us work with some of our younger players to find ways of bringing them back into the fold.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 10, 2018, 01:25:29 pm
I think that both Cummings and McKay have something worth persevering with.

I don't believe, however, that our current manager is necessarily interested in that. Not when he can potentially go out and buy some shiny new players.

In other news, it seems that Danny Fox is leading the call for Jack Colback to be signed permanently. Those of you who watch Forest regularly, is he that much better or effective than Bridcutt? If not, I'm not sure I see the value in throwing big wages at Colback, especially when Ryan Yates (another DM?) is waiting in the wings.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 10, 2018, 01:35:37 pm
I think that both Cummings and McKay have something worth persevering with.

I don't believe, however, that our current manager is necessarily interested in that. Not when he can potentially go out and buy some shiny new players.

In other news, it seems that Danny Fox is leading the call for Jack Colback to be signed permanently. Those of you who watch Forest regularly, is he that much better or effective than Bridcutt? If not, I'm not sure I see the value in throwing big wages at Colback, especially when Ryan Yates (another DM?) is waiting in the wings.

McKay is more likely to be of use than Cummings. He's quick and skilful and was as effective in the early part of the season as Lolley was in the latter, having both available can only be a positive as wingers are usually inconsistent. Cummings can't really play as a lone striker or on the wing or as a number 10, so it's hard to see where he would fit in.

Colback, from what I've seen, is comfortable in possession under pressure and useful for a team looking to play out from the back in this league. Bridcutt covers much more ground and tackles more. Yates. from what I've seen, seems to be more of a box-to-box player - like Watson in his younger days and limiting him to sitting in front of the back 4 would be missing the point.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dean on May 10, 2018, 02:39:13 pm
I'm not overly enthused by Colback.  He's a tidy water carrier type but I'm not convinced he's particularly great value for money for what he brings to the team.  He can easily go through large portions of the game without contributing a great deal from I've seen.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: The GasMan on May 10, 2018, 03:40:19 pm
I do not consider Colback to be a quantum leap in quality over Bridcutt & I certainly wouldn't breal our salary system to bring him in. He had a useful loan period for us but time to move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: graham on May 10, 2018, 04:00:25 pm
The wages alone put me off (http://www.spotrac.com/epl/newcastle-united-f.c/payroll/). He's a tidy enough defensive midfielder but he's no David Phillips.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Andyp on May 10, 2018, 06:03:24 pm
I agree. No better than Bridcutt and probably twice as expensive and I really want to see Yeates given time on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on May 10, 2018, 07:10:20 pm
Also agree.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 10, 2018, 07:12:45 pm
No strong feelings either way. Just pleased that David Vaughan and his foot aren't part of the conversation any more.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 10, 2018, 07:21:30 pm
I quite liked Vaughan and thought he was an asset when fit. Problem was that latterly he mostly wasn't.

Paul Taylor had a real hard-on for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dk on May 10, 2018, 10:28:23 pm
I think we might have seen a few younger players come through development with a development type manager.  The type of manager is likely to use less of the ones we thought of as previously established, not integrate more.

We are expected to bring in around ten players in the summer. I expect them to be experienced, supplemented by a cohort of season long loans, and Jorge Grant (amongst others) to be sold.
strange we have persevered with Grant, he will be 24 in September, so hardly a youngster. Didn't we get him after he had been on some sort of Nike scholarship. I've never been particularly impressed with him, certainly compared with Cash. If we could get money for him we should take it. I'm afraid I don't think Yates will make it in the Championship. We already have far better.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dean on May 11, 2018, 03:52:00 pm
Cummings has come out and said he wants to stay at Rangers and doesn't know if he has a future at Forest
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 11, 2018, 03:58:51 pm
Cummings has come out and said he wants to stay at Rangers and doesn't know if he has a future at Forest

He should and he doesn't, IMO. Hasn't really shown any signs of being able to play to Championship standard.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dean on May 11, 2018, 04:15:36 pm
He should and he doesn't, IMO. Hasn't really shown any signs of being able to play to Championship standard.

He has scored 2 goals since he went back to Scotland, add that they have just appointed Gerrard who will no doubt have his own plans a question could be posed, do Rangers even want him to stay?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: graham on May 11, 2018, 05:45:49 pm
Cummings runs like his knees are superglued together. Get rid.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 11, 2018, 05:51:39 pm
Never demonstrated he was up to the level. Might have with a bit of training and development (for every Garath McCleary there's several Gary Bulls') over a year or so, but we are not that club, so he's no use to us.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 11, 2018, 07:38:13 pm
He wasn't getting much of a sniff under the previous manager either, so although I thought he looked busy enough and couldn't understand why he didn't get the chances, I think it's safe to say he is not at the required level.

Of course he will want to stay at Rangers, but it's unlikely Gerrard would keep him when his name alone will get a bunch of strikers at a similar level willing to sign for him. Not to mention loans of young Liverpool starlets.

So I wouldn't be surprised if Cummings isn't in the 'look for another club' group, and given his previous success in Scotland's league I'd expect him to end up at one of the Scottish backwater pub sides like Hibs, Hearts, Brechin City or Motherwell.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 11, 2018, 08:08:19 pm
I think we will struggle to sell Cummings for what we paid. Even if Rangers do want him it will be on the cheap.This is the same for most of our unwanted players.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Andyp on May 11, 2018, 08:41:59 pm
Can someone remind me why Cameron Jerome would have been a bad buy?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 11, 2018, 09:41:53 pm
Cummings being binned is sort of right, but it shows the hazard of ditching development too early in a clubs evolution. Maybe he might have developed into a cheap solution with the right handling?

If you have a period of development you have the opportunity to try to make the functional elements of your team (every team, even good ones, are made of a majority of average players, with a small number of key players). You might get a Brereton being a top player, but you can definitely get enough Smith's, Osborns, Worrals, Cash's,  to give you a foundation. With that foundation you can focus on picking the quality from elsewhere to spend the extra resource on. The cost is time and maintaining your status while you do it.

If you have to buy everyone including your functional players (Watson, Colback, Dawson, et al) then you have extra problems - you have to identify and buy them in competition with other potential purchasers, and you have to integrate them (and probably pay them significantly higher wages)... And they reduce your level of resource for the special players. You can save time, but it costs money... And the blend might not work.

The class of 92 was in part so potent because they knew each others games inside out and were used to working together... Even bonded together. You often see where the bulk of a team has worked together for a few years they function collectively more efficiently than even a 'better' scratch side. Just look at international sides.

I don't think forest can buy twenty players a season, and blend them together to be a to six club, in one attempt.

I think we'll have a go though.

There is a tendency to look at players being targeted, and being seduced by how good, or otherwise, they are. It's not really what makes a team though. Often it's more important to improve the weakest links in a team, than target a super shiny striker. There are few players in a lifetime that can carry a side like SVC did for us. Cameron Jerome would have done a job for us... But ultimately our immediate success or failure will be determined by improving on the likes of Darwika, Fox.... In fact looking at matches since Kranky took over I personally think there's normally been around four or five players in the back eight that we just couldn't have and get in the promotion places.... And that's being optimistic about the likes of Cash and Lolley, who are in some ways still requiring of development.

Simply we are carrying too many weakness - which is why performances and results are where they are. The plan is to buy our way out of them and surpass the vast majority of teams ahead of us.

I remain skeptical. It's a big job.

I'd rather have spent this year fully committed to what we could develop, then we could have made a decision on direction prior to this summer. That might have some level of credence as a strategic approach. Right now we have neither one thing or the other. Development has stalled, and the recruitment since has been partially loans that are no long term use to us, and patchy in other cases.

Results have not improved, which demonstrates the danger of the approach.

If you are starting from a decent well balanced squad, you can afford to only bring through talented youngsters who are good enough, and buy the odd Brian Roy.

To match the expectations of board and fans, we need something a lot more radical than that. It worries me.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on May 11, 2018, 09:43:48 pm
Bradley Johnson is a cnut isn’t he!


Really hope Fulham go up but it’s likely the cynical team will win out in the end.


Chicago: depressed.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on May 12, 2018, 08:41:38 am
Very well put tricky.

The treatment of Jordan Smith really concerns me. A decent keeper who was improving binned in favour of two more expensive options. We actually got more points per game with Smith than with Pantilimon but the former has been labelled sh!t by many fans and the latter some sort of hero.

Bridcutt is the other obvious example of someone brought in at a reasonable price and discarded within a season in favour of 3 more expensive options.

A couple of seasons laying foundations would have given us a platform to add the extra quality to start pushing on but we simply don't have the patience for it and so are told it can't be done. We're addicted to splurge and twist.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: des on May 12, 2018, 09:02:58 am
It's all a bit similar to Mourinho at United - not surprising really given their shared history.  Why develop when you can buy?  After all, it's not like the current manager will be the one who has to deal with the outcome.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 12, 2018, 12:50:24 pm
The treatment of Jordan Smith really concerns me. A decent keeper who was improving binned in favour of two more expensive options.

I've nothing against Smith, but he was a back-up young keeper thrown into the first team. He did improve throughout the season but was still very much developing and lacked certain attributes as a result that you would really want if you want to move to a position of challenging. Even the previous manager was looking to bring in a more experienced keeper, and if reports are true, was going to try again in January.

The difference with having Pantillimon in goal was striking, in terms of the additional confidence he spread in defence. Of course, a keeper themselves is not the entire team, and so looking at points gained with a particular keeper in place is futile. It was pretty obvious to everyone that Pantillimon was an upgrade over Smith - I'm sure even Smith would admit that.

That Smith had some unexpected first team experience will only benefit him long term. The best thing for him would probably to go out on loan in the lower leagues (like Darlow did) and really learn his craft.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on May 12, 2018, 01:14:00 pm
We moved to a position below where we were, spent a load of money in the meantime, and missed a chance to support a very promising young keeper through a full season. I could have understood one new keeper to help him along but signing two sent a clear message, just as if we add Marney to Watson and Guedioura we will be sending a message to any young central midfield prospect making a name for themselves. It might also send a message to an ambitious academy manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 12, 2018, 01:27:22 pm
Smith was looking like a very promising keeper at that stage of his development. Perfectly serviceable in the context of development (and mid-table mediocrity).  We'll never know.  Development halted.

We are just not that sort of club.  That's the message that has been sent to us.  Who wants to see development of youth prospects, when we can watch aging has-beens, or second string players from the division above on a last payday, anyway?

We can get our fun elsewhere. It's a pleasure to have Gueddy back, now his legs dont work, and we can watch Watson hide behind opposition markers when his teamates are frantically searching for a passing option. Then we can satisfy ourselves with the thought that though we might have lost the option for four young players wages for a few years, we have at least had the opportunity to watch the entirely unremarkable Colback play for four months.

Until we lose patience with the current clusterf*ck and try something else from position of lower resources. I wonder who will be the first to say "we need to get relegated to have a clear out and come back stronger", and how far down the road it will be?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 12, 2018, 04:31:58 pm
We moved to a position below where we were, spent a load of money in the meantime, and missed a chance to support a very promising young keeper through a full season. I could have understood one new keeper to help him along but signing two sent a clear message, just as if we add Marney to Watson and Guedioura we will be sending a message to any young central midfield prospect making a name for themselves. It might also send a message to an ambitious academy manager.

I don't think it is the role of any Forest manager to 'support a promising keeper through a full season', if that keeper is not developed enough for the level they are playing at and the aspirations of the club. Now I like Smith, but he never had the commanding aura that a 'promising' keeper like Darlow had in the first place. Neither Warburton nor Karanka felt he should be first team choice, and just because he came through the academy doesn't really mean we need to carry anyone just because thats where they came from.

I don't think it's unusual to have three decent keepers in a squad. Given that Evtimov hasn't looked ready for years now, it makes sense to bring in another young keeper (Kapino) to add to competition, especially given the connections with Olympiacos. I think if we do sign Pantillimon, he will clearly be first choice and then it's up to Smith to compete for a place on the bench. He will still be developed and trained, and as I said before I think it may be good for him to go out on loan.

On the midfield question - Unless we have a solid central midfield prospect who is up to the level required, then bringing in experience from outside is reasonable. I don't think the current regime at Forest are doing anything particularly detrimental to young players development, nor academy managers really - Karanka has played Brereton as first choice striker, likewise Worrall until he was injured, Cash was a regular player and he apparently if it wasn't for the U23 final, he was planning on having a couple of the academy starlets on the bench at Bolton. He also lets a selection of U23 players train with the first team, and apparently is a regular at academy-level games.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 12, 2018, 06:43:54 pm
There is currently a playoff semi being played between two sides.  One has a wage bill of over £100Million a year, and the other one has spent £50Million on eleven players, on top of the wage bill, this season. We've got one shot of getting close to those sort of clubs in the 'compete for the best players, don't develop them' market. Even though we can't actually get close to that (maybe a third of the spending?), and we are starting from a much worse base squad. Then after our one shot we are out of the potential to pay anything like until the next debt write off, under the next change of ownership.

Look at their squad lists this season, and what their starting squads were last season. Then seriously ask yourself if the likes of Watson, Colback, Dawson, Gueddy, can get us in the mix over the course of a season.

Here's hoping we don't have to wait too long for another billionaire.

Nobody will be happier than me if we get unusually lucky, but i wouldn't put my house on it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 12, 2018, 07:07:47 pm
Thats selective reasoning though. We have a similar squad value to d*rby, who are in the play-offs - and Cardiff, who went up automatically. And we have a substantially more valuable squad than Preston North End and Millwall, who both only just missed out on the playoffs by a few points.

We wouldn't (I think) be looking to compete with clubs like Villa or Boro in terms of spending power, but could we compete - or exceed clubs like d*rby, Cardiff, PNE and Millwall? I suspect so.

None of that means we will be successful or we will fail. Just that comparing any seasoned 2nd tier club to two clubs who have recently been in the PL when looking at squad value or spending power, is futile.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 12, 2018, 07:20:27 pm
....None of that means we will be successful or we will fail. Just that comparing any seasoned 2nd tier club to two clubs who have recently been in the PL when looking at squad value or spending power, is futile.
That's exactly my point.  If you are prepared to develop the squad over time, it's an unfair comparision.  If you are going to buy your way to success, and your finances (and FFP) determine that you only have one shot at it, then that's EXACTLY the comparision that you need to make.  If Villa get promoted, then you've got West Brom and Stoke headed your way. They're all £100million spending clubs for the next couple of years.

Their existing squads are miles ahead of ours. Let me remind you...our current squad has averaged around a point a game, and lost three league positions. What we are saying is that we are rolling the dice one, and it's a smaller die, and then it's back in FFP if we don't overtake all but two of the clubs ahead of us, and coming down. I'm massively against it because it's wholely unsustainable, tantamount to betting the farm, and highly unlikely to leave us better off. A bad strategy.

Football fans have a tendency to over focus on what their club is doing, without looking at the bigger picture, and also (on average) to be unsophisticated in the ways of the world.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 12, 2018, 07:39:10 pm
I think you are being rather negative for the sake of it. I get why, as I fully understand the reasoning you have talked about lots of times.

We won't be able to compete with those squads you are correct, but as we have seen this year - and previous years - you don't necessarily need to in order to gain promotion.

Whilst you may feel it is a bad strategy, some feel it's about time we went about that strategy properly, rather than the half-assed way we have in the past, or hoping for a utopia of slow-burn development eventually leading us there which is frankly (I think) impossible at this level, although I can't be arsed to get into a debate about that again.

You are assuming we will spunk a huge amount of money with no concern for financial limits, have a single shot at promotion and then immediately get sucked into FFP and eventual oblivion. Now I don't know the individuals in charge at the club, but I suspect that won't be the approach we will take. Yes, we will invest money this summer - possibly more than we ever have previously, but I am sure there will be checks and balances along the way which will hopefully safeguard our future.

Neither of us are right or wrong yet. Only time will tell. But personally I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, otherwise supporting the club just becomes a drag, with a feeling of impending doom hovering over us - and I get no enjoyment out of that (and have enough of that in other departments in my life).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 12, 2018, 08:00:36 pm
......Whilst you may feel it is a bad strategy, some feel it's about time we went about that strategy properly, rather than the half-assed way we have in the past, or hoping for a utopia of slow-burn development eventually leading us there which is frankly (I think) impossible at this level, although I can't be arsed to get into a debate about that again.
............
Yes, we will invest money this summer - possibly more than we ever have previously, but I am sure there will be checks and balances along the way which will hopefully safeguard our future. 

By your definition in this regard we can only do it in a "half-assed way" - because we can't get near the wage bills of certainly the top six clubs in the division next year (and wage bill is the most strongly correlating statistic to league position). To break past higher spending clubs you either need them to spend unwisely (like Forest tend to), them to be unlucky (injuries, deviations from the mean in terms of onfield luck and refereeing decision), or us to significantly outperform them for our spend (uniquely effective strategy, or paradigm shifting value found in recruitment).....and not just one team....we have to outperform eight of the ten teams ahead of us on squad value and spending power, in order to get a play-off final brown trousered promotion.

I simply do not believe that we can effectively make that sort of progress from where we are, to where we need to be, by buying our way there in the short term.  I believe that if we are to have an opportunity to compete, we have to develop in house, and get our operational side (value recruitment, sports science, team/squad-building) into a more efficient shape.  I think we have to play a brand of football that encourages higher division clubs to consider us a good finishing school for potential loanees. I personally would aim at the Brentford/Bristol City sort of model. Then hopefully get lucky with development and recruitment, and take advantage of a full complement of season long loans of quality players from above.

It might not be what people want to believe, but it's the reality of the situation. Right now we don't do anything better than enough teams to compete at the top end. Buying Marney and Michael Dawson isn't going to transform that situation, it's going to perpetuate it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 12, 2018, 08:05:02 pm
We have a similar squad value to d*rby, who are in the play-offs

I don't know for sure (and I can't be arsed to check) but this smells like bullsh!t.

The fella who scored the goals this year to get them into the play-offs cost close to nine million quid, the back-up striker is supposedly on at least £30k a week and they'll have invested heavily in Jerome to try to get them over the line.

In midfield, they've spent really big on Lawrence and Johnson, plus Huddlestone who will be on a wedge. And at the back, they will have committed significant money to the salaries of Wisdom, Davies and Carson.

I'm struggling to see how you can suggest that d*rby's squad is, in any way, comparable with Forest's. At least with a straight face anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 12, 2018, 08:25:04 pm
While wage bill is the best correlating statistic to league position, it is possible to not conform to the general trend.  If you pay me 20k a week, you don't get value from it. While we've had our transfer successes, we've also had a solid history of some terrible value (the Hobbs/'ull/bruce piss-take, paying the likes of Ward and Vaughan well past their usefulness, launching Blackstocks agent career by allowing him to take an eyewatering contract from us for what was basically a part of his career where he was an ornamental lamp, numerous recruits who were completely lost at the level, the list goes on). It's a statistic that gives a good guide because most clubs spending is quite well judged, and thus clubs that can afford to pay more, get the better players. Our spending has not been well judged, and it's another reason that we have to make up a gap to the mean, long before we can be getting ahead of the game. 

Which is why i favour a strong foundation approach, rather than attempting to build a palace on flood plain.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 12, 2018, 09:08:01 pm
We won't be able to compete with those squads you are correct, but as we have seen this year - and previous years - you don't necessarily need to in order to gain promotion.

No, but 3 out of this year’s top 6 are getting parachute payments, Wolves might as well be and d*rby have spent a lsh!toad over the last three years (and, let’s not forget, have bigger crowds, a better developed commercial model and so a bigger income than us).

So the outlier is Cardiff, whose “strategy” is c*nt’s football. We could probably follow that model, but we’d need to wait for Warnock to get sacked - and Warnock failed at Leeds, don’t forget.

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Whilst you may feel it is a bad strategy, some feel it's about time we went about that strategy properly, rather than the half-assed way we have in the past, or hoping for a utopia of slow-burn development.

I don’t see how we’ve been half-arsed in the past. We were one of only a handful of clubs who really bought into the FFP-busting strategy wholeheartedly. We got the embargo that screwed our recruitment for a couple of years and we’re still trying to rebalance the squad that it left us with. Players like Jamie Ward are still under contract because they were brought in on long deals. But sure, let’s pursue it again.

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Neither of us are right or wrong yet. Only time will tell. But personally I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, otherwise supporting the club just becomes a drag, with a feeling of impending doom hovering over us - and I get no enjoyment out of that.

Fair enough. But wishing it’s a good strategy doesn’t make it a good strategy.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 12, 2018, 09:40:11 pm
.......personally I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, otherwise supporting the club just becomes a drag, with a feeling of impending doom hovering over us - and I get no enjoyment out of that (and have enough of that in other departments in my life).
Personally I gain no pleasure out of a club being run poorly, with what seems to be all the sophistication of a teenager with ADHD.... And I'm absolutely staggered that people who have have seen various types of sh!t going down for a decade (or more) can't spot the signs, and still endorse the much failed lightening in a bottle method.

I want us to be better one day, preferably as soon as possible. I'd like to have some pride and engagement in how we utilise our resources and how we go about trying to play the game the right way. I don't get a lot of pleasure from hoping we get lucky with better teams expensive old lags - particularly if the long term cost is no prospect of a future that I can admire. I'd much prefer to see what we can make the likes of Cash, Brereton, Worral, into than see what the likes of Watson and Dawson have left. For me that evolution and development of players and the team is part of the enjoyment. To invest in that process and those individuals.

I have absolutely no interest in us trying to control the ball by minimising the length of time it's in play. It's a football. It's your friend. Go play with it. I doubt we will ever be in the upper echelons of the game in my lifetime again, but I don't see why we shouldn't try to be an actual football team.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 13, 2018, 07:53:15 am
I don't know for sure (and I can't be arsed to check) but this smells like bullsh!t.

The fella who scored the goals this year to get them into the play-offs cost close to nine million quid, the back-up striker is supposedly on at least £30k a week and they'll have invested heavily in Jerome to try to get them over the line.

In midfield, they've spent really big on Lawrence and Johnson, plus Huddlestone who will be on a wedge. And at the back, they will have committed significant money to the salaries of Wisdom, Davies and Carson.

I'm struggling to see how you can suggest that d*rby's squad is, in any way, comparable with Forest's. At least with a straight face anyway.

Exactly this. d*rby must have five or six players who cost more than our record signing and if we're paying players as much as they are we're getting taken for a bigger ride than I thought.

Also evidenced by the fact that d*rby have spent the last few seasons in and around the play offs, while we've spent them in the bottom half.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 13, 2018, 10:41:46 am
I have no inside track on the value of d*rby's players, so I was just using the 'squad value' metric on Transfermarkt as a rough guide.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 13, 2018, 10:52:44 am
Personally I gain no pleasure out of a club being run poorly, with what seems to be all the sophistication of a teenager with ADHD.... And I'm absolutely staggered that people who have have seen various types of sh!t going down for a decade (or more) can't spot the signs, and still endorse the much failed lightening in a bottle method.

I don't think we have quite been in this position before. We have new owners (ambitious ones, but ones who have had success at another European club), and a board that contains a proper (non owner) chairman, CEO, CFO and Sporting Director. We have a manager who has a relatively recent track record of PL promotion to his name, who has assembled a backroom staff including (I believe) sports scientists and strategists. We have a handful of potential prospects coming up through the U23s, and we are able to deal relatively freely in the transfer market unencumbered by FFP sanctions.

It feels to me like the first time for some time that there is a genuine attempt to run us like a proper football club.

Now none of that guarantees success, but we have a summer where the manager can fully rebuild the squad and have a full pre-season to get everyone to gel. Assuming Karankas indication that he had 2.5yrs to get promotion is correct, and we see incremental improvement next season then we will be on the right track. Wanting to pursue a slow-burn development strategy isn't going to happen anytime soon, certainly not under these owners, so I don't see the point in constantly crying about it and being negative. Sure, if we have a sh!t season next year then maybe, but why not see how things pan out first?

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 13, 2018, 12:56:11 pm
......but why not see how things pan out first?
The first transfer window and subsequent half a season has panned out sh!t. There are reasons to be concerned about the direction of travel, and the type of targets with whom we are being linked. If you are of my sort of mind.

Is it not reasonable to discuss that, on a discussion forum, or should we just wait until we are commenting with the benefit of hindsight?  I don't understand your position.  It seems to be that we should agree with everything that is being done, and sit quietly and see what happens.  What's the point of us being here?

Things will pan out, how they pan out. I think we can both agree on that. Personally I think there is some merit in discussing it. If for no other reason than to put on record my thought that they will have pulled off a tremendous feat if it works out as successfully as you seem to think it will, and thus will be deserving of tremendous praise.

I do not believe it is negative to discuss the pro's and cons of things. I believe it is constructive if it triggers thought and analysis that otherwise would not take place. I don't not believe that we shouldn't say things that we believe might stop people from making serious errors. Otherwise we wouldn't tell kids not to cross roads without looking. We'd just sit by quietly and see how it panned out.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on May 13, 2018, 01:34:55 pm
It's not unreasonable to discuss it, it's just that said discussion is getting rather repetitive. I think we all know where everyone stands and no one is going to move anywhere until something actually happens.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 13, 2018, 02:44:30 pm
I don't think we have quite been in this position before. We have new owners (ambitious ones, but ones who have had success at another European club), and a board that contains a proper (non owner) chairman, CEO, CFO and Sporting Director. We have a manager who has a relatively recent track record of PL promotion to his name, who has assembled a backroom staff including (I believe) sports scientists and strategists. We have a handful of potential prospects coming up through the U23s, and we are able to deal relatively freely in the transfer market unencumbered by FFP sanctions.

It feels to me like the first time for some time that there is a genuine attempt to run us like a proper club

We might not have been in this position before but plenty of clubs have. That kind of professional structure is how most clubs of our size operate.

I’m sure we’re all grateful that the bills are now being payed at the club. None of this should be under-estimated.

But that just makes us a normal, unexceptional mid-table Championship club again. A Sheff Wednesday, Ipswich, Birmingham or Leeds.

So what’s the point of difference that’s going to make us perform better than those clubs (who can spend similar amounts to us) let alone this year’s defeated play-off teams or relegated Premier League clubs (who can spend significantly more)?

In this scenario, it’s Karanka. We’re betting on him to be significantly better than all the managers who finished above him this year. I just don’t see how you can have that much confidence in him to be that transformational after the last few months of pretty ordinary football we’ve seen from him so far.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on May 13, 2018, 03:15:15 pm

What's the point of us being here?


truth.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on May 13, 2018, 03:40:22 pm
truth.

Cannot the truth you handle.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on May 13, 2018, 03:44:33 pm
No truth-handler, you
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 13, 2018, 04:16:36 pm
In this scenario, it’s Karanka. We’re betting on him to be significantly better than all the managers who finished above him this year. I just don’t see how you can have that much confidence in him to be that transformational after the last few months of pretty ordinary football we’ve seen from him so far.

I guess that all depends on your perspective. You have seen pretty ordinary football - I have seen us become far more solid and hard to beat. Foundations, if you like.

Glass half full vs half empty I suppose
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 13, 2018, 04:46:40 pm
We lost 5 of our last 8 games.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 13, 2018, 04:49:19 pm
That's what stopping scoring does.

We never looked as fragile and featherweight as we did previously though, where every attack looked like it would score.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on May 13, 2018, 05:05:54 pm
I guess that all depends on your perspective. You have seen pretty ordinary football - I have seen us become far more solid and hard to beat. Foundations, if you like.

Karanka - P21 - W5 - D6 - L10 (W23.8% - D28.6% - L47.6%)
Warburton - P37 - W15 - D3 - L19 (W40.5% - D8.1% - L51.4%)

Statistically, the only significant difference there is Warburton turned draws into wins. "Far more ..... hard to beat" is just not true.

Average goals:
Karanka - F-0.9, A-1.19
Warburton - F-1.35, A-1.62

So under Karanka, we concede 25.6% fewer goals, at  cost of scoring 33.3% fewer goals. So "more solid" is true in that we conceded fewer goals, but the cost we pay in return with fewer goals scored means we are overall 23.1% worse off.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 13, 2018, 05:06:53 pm
You said he’s made us harder to beat. We keep getting beat. We are no harder to beat. QED.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 13, 2018, 05:25:27 pm
I have no inside track on the value of d*rby's players, so I was just using the 'squad value' metric on Transfermarkt as a rough guide.

Three of our five highest value players on transfermarkt are Jack Colback, Lee Tomlin and Keiran Dowell. There might be a problem with using that as a metric.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on May 13, 2018, 05:41:02 pm
I keep opening this thread thinking there might be some actual transfer news. What a fool I am.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Loafé on May 13, 2018, 06:55:15 pm
We didn't need to open the thread to know that Jim
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 13, 2018, 08:05:27 pm
We're supposed to be offering £5m for Lewis Grabban, if that helps?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 13, 2018, 09:05:40 pm
What’s Aitor Karanka’s favourite late 80s American Baby Boomer TV drama?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 13, 2018, 09:51:43 pm
You said he’s made us harder to beat. We keep getting beat. We are no harder to beat. QED.

No, harder to beat doesn't mean we can't be beaten
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 13, 2018, 09:52:21 pm
Three of our five highest value players on transfermarkt are Jack Colback, Lee Tomlin and Keiran Dowell. There might be a problem with using that as a metric.

Wouldn't that be correct, as Colback and Dowell are on PL wages, and Tomlin is likely to be on a decent whack too?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 13, 2018, 10:04:50 pm
No, harder to beat doesn't mean we can't be beaten

Harder to beat means we were getting beat less than before. On what basis are you saying we are harder to beat?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on May 13, 2018, 10:17:29 pm
Apparently we are in of this bloke.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Arabi_Hillel_Soudani

Seems like it could be of interest.  Although he could be mardy or a friend of Gueddy. 

We are also interested in two blokes from Peterborough and one of them went on the transfer list.  James Maddison and Jack Marriott.  They are pretty prolific in League one. 

There is blathering of Dawson and Marney (neither I want due to age) as they won't be adding value. 

I don't see any signs of defenders which considering Kranky's penchant for not conceding is a little odd.  We need a left back (if we are binning Traore and pushing Osbourn up) and Eric is not going to be playing there (rumours are that he is leaving..)


Will we be Keeganesque in our approach next season?  Highly doubtful.  If we are apparently willing to offer 5 million for Grabbon (sounds like nonsense) then why not a cheeky bid for Burke who can be electric at this level.  He might want to come back considering his club is back in the division.  You may have noticed I am a big fan.  He has something.  A bit lazy but he would be a great investment. 


Chicago: Thinking inside the box.  
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 13, 2018, 10:23:30 pm
I don't see any signs of defenders which considering Kranky's penchant for not conceding is a little odd. 

Not really, the transfer window doesn't open until Friday and if January is anything to go by, Karanka doesn't seem to telegraph his transfer targets in advance.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on May 14, 2018, 12:37:44 am
No, harder to beat doesn't mean we can't be beaten

But surely it means we are beaten less?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on May 14, 2018, 03:37:08 am
But surely it means we are beaten less?
No. we can get beaten just as often. More, even. It's just harder. So we still lose, but the opposition go home with marginally achier legs.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Psychobel on May 15, 2018, 07:34:41 am
My Burnley supporting colleague reckons that Marney is still a starter when not injured. It's the "when not injured" bit I'm sure we can do something about.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on May 15, 2018, 09:02:11 am
The last time he was fit was January 2017. Fortunately cruciate knee ligament injuries are never known to have any lingering effects and he's only 34 so should bounce back easily.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 15, 2018, 10:17:05 am
The last time he was fit was January 2017. Fortunately cruciate knee ligament injuries are never known to have any lingering effects and he's only 34 so should bounce back easily.



It's baffling, unless he's literally prepared to sign for no wages. And even then, it's a drain on our medical staff (and, Chris Cohen shows, they aren't exactly experts on handling players recovering from cruciate injuries)>
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 15, 2018, 11:06:21 am
We are in a for a lot of players.  Many of them quite old (for a footballer), with patchy fitness records. It absolutely looks like a short term punt at promotion to me.  I am unsure what we think we are going to be doing with the likes of Dawson, Watson, Gueddy, Marney, a year from now. I'm worried that it might be playing them. We are going to need a lot of energy in the legs of the other six.

We've got Gueddy on a three year contract, until the end of 20/21, I see. Blimey.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 15, 2018, 11:19:04 am
We've got Gueddy on a three year contract, until the end of 20/21, I see. Blimey.

And at his age, there's a good chance the music's stopped and we're stuck with him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 15, 2018, 11:25:39 am
I like Gueddy.  We appear to have not got the memo about there being no sentiment in football, though.

So much about where we are headed, is so far from my values and ethos about what I want from the game (from value recruitment principles, development, right through to style of play), that I feel like I'm going to have to disengage to stay sane.

Still, we actually have some staff now, and representative fan groups are getting to have tea and biscuits at the club, so all is probably good.

Choo-choo.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 15, 2018, 01:25:53 pm
Still, we actually have some staff now, and representative fan groups are getting to have tea and biscuits at the club, so all is probably good.

I think part of the problem is that the last ownership was so comically amateurish, and clueless, that even a semblance of 'normality' will always be welcomed with open arms.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 15, 2018, 01:35:55 pm
Aside from some guesswork from various people in the media (which may or may not be educated guesses) we don't really have an inside track on what is actually happening transfer wise.

Everyone seems to be focused on the age thing. I get why, but in certain positions age is far less a barrier than others. Given that John Terry has just had a good solid season at this level, and is 37 - I'd not rule out us getting value from a 34yr old free transfer if it adds some additional experience and seniority behind the scenes. I wouldn't want an entire team full of players like that, but the odd one or two can really help shape younger players on the up.

I think far more critical this summer will be who leaves. I'm not sure we have published a retained list and Karanka has apparently alluded to how he isn't planning on transfer listing anyone however to have the incoming players he wants, we will need to shift a good few on and that can be the sort of thing which slows down any recruitment process. Hopefully as soon as we get to Friday we will see a coach load of outgoings, to clear the way for the new players. Just hope it doesn't drag too far into June/July.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on May 15, 2018, 01:42:21 pm
Guedioura and Watson both signed 2.5 year deals in January, taking them to the end of 2019/20 season. Small comfort I know but worth being clear on.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 15, 2018, 01:55:02 pm
Guedioura and Watson both signed 2.5 year deals in January, taking them to the end of 2019/20 season. Small comfort I know but worth being clear on.

Apologies to all if that's the case.  The source I found said that Gueddy was contracted until 2020/21. A year less is obviously good, given that he's not really much use now, no years at all would have been better.


.....Everyone seems to be focused on the age thing. I get why, but in certain positions age is far less a barrier than others. Given that John Terry has just had a good solid season at this level, and is 37 - I'd not rule out us getting value from a 34yr old free transfer if it adds some additional experience and seniority behind the scenes. I wouldn't want an entire team full of players like that, but the odd one or two can really help shape younger players on the up....

There has been some evidence (at least to my eyes) in games, that some of the older 'more solid' players in midfield ( *cough...watson....cough gueddy*) are not brilliant at getting out from under the shadow of an opponent marking them. They are also not doing a lot of running beyond either the centre-halves (to cover) or the centre-forward (to offer a threat).

Surely we could do with someone to get on the end of all these solid composed static defendery types, when they knock the ball forward?  Or are you expecting a more stiffle the game, go long, play for set-pieces, style?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a good blend. I just completely fail to see why we need all of these samey legs gone old lags. It's almost like the manager intends to just buys lots, because he knows most of them are likely to be excrement.

...oh, and the link to Marney is firm, and out of the managers mouth.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 15, 2018, 02:12:58 pm
Everyone seems to be focused on the age thing. I get why, but in certain positions age is far less a barrier than others. Given that John Terry has just had a good solid season at this level, and is 37 - I'd not rule out us getting value from a 34yr old free transfer if it adds some additional experience and seniority behind the scenes. I wouldn't want an entire team full of players like that, but the odd one or two can really help shape younger players on the up.

I don't think John Terry has ever had the kind of catastrophic injury that Marney has. I don't understand why we would need to add him to a midfield that already has Watson, Bridcutt, Guedioura and, possibly, Colback (and it's not even good if Marney is an alternate if we don't get Colback).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 15, 2018, 03:39:20 pm
I don't think John Terry has ever had the kind of catastrophic injury that Marney has. I don't understand why we would need to add him to a midfield that already has Watson, Bridcutt, Guedioura and, possibly, Colback (and it's not even good if Marney is an alternate if we don't get Colback).

I would suspect that Bridcutt will be one of the players allowed to find another club in that situation, which I would have a problem with as I'm a big fan of his.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 15, 2018, 04:04:55 pm
I would suspect that Bridcutt will be one of the players allowed to find another club in that situation, which I would have a problem with as I'm a big fan of his.

Me too.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on May 15, 2018, 06:23:09 pm
Dejagah released.

Watch him play a blinder in the World Cup now.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 15, 2018, 06:44:22 pm
We're going to see a right old string of legends through the rotating front door, while the current transfer policy is in place. It seems.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 15, 2018, 09:22:50 pm
Well the transfer policy already brought us players like Lolley and Figuredo so it's not just geriatrics.

I personally don't have the downer that some of you seem to have on Watson either. Gueddy hasn't been good though, but towards the end of the season he seemed to be getting nearer to the player we know, so maybe a full pre-season could see us with a very useful player.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 16, 2018, 12:00:31 am
Well the transfer policy already brought us players like Lolley and Figuredo so it's not just geriatrics.

No, that's fine.  There are some younger players in there. 

We've paid an enhanced level for them, as you do for players further into their careers. Where would you rate them in terms of the likes of Worrall and McKay/Cash? Would you like to see them play instead of them?  How do you think they contribute to the balance of the squad in ways that wasn't being achieved previously without the extra spending?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 16, 2018, 01:20:44 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5729973/Manchester-United-aim-swoop-young-left-Matthew-Bondswell.html
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on May 16, 2018, 01:22:04 pm
Liverpool too apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on May 16, 2018, 01:54:14 pm
And thanks to the EPPP, we will get something like the square root of f*ck all for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 16, 2018, 06:32:09 pm
My youngest played in the school team with him. He’s quite good.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 16, 2018, 10:01:25 pm
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/aitor-karanka-wanted-honest-nottingham-1576126. I would love to know exactly who he wants out although I am sure I can guess most.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 16, 2018, 10:05:57 pm
i wonder if his plan involves contingency around the old lags likely appearance record.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on May 16, 2018, 11:27:09 pm

I hope he goes reasonably young in midfield and attack.  I doubt he will.  Grabbon did look good for Villa but he's 30.  Paying five million would be insane!  Villa need to go up this season otherwise they lose payments from prem I think.  Abel Hernandez is 27 and if he can stay healthy is good.  But again he was blighted by injury last season.  He is also wanted by Newcastle and Wolves so I would think a non starter.  This who's who of who is coming in is fun but I assume this is a sh!t or bust season before FFP looms again?  d*rby might have to offload VYdra.  He's good at Championship level no doubt but how old is he?  Might still be mid 20's but I suspect expensive.  Let's hope our scouts are fcuking ace.  Although I have no idea who our scouts are?  As with the two kids who haven't signed diddly yet because they are 16.  It might be an idea to bring up to the first team squad to train and get the sh!t kicked out of them in order for them to feel wanted and learn.  If they are still after the money, which they might be; (never to be seen again), then there is nothing we can do.  I really hope Yates and Appiah are given shots this summer as I think they may have something.   (Again from what I have seen, which of course is very limited as I can only rely on the internet and reports from people who say they have a bright future).

So in essence what I want to happen and what Kranky will probably do (pants, Tomlin, Colback old striker like Grabbon), run contrary to what I would deem a success if he doesn't buy or use young exciting talent and a fcuking good left back.  Pity Soton stayed up as we could have got a shot at a certain Ryan Bertrand(cough...)

He could surprise us all though and just loan from Moaninho and Chelski as he seems to have a good relationship with them both.  (Pity Tammy Abraham is likely to go to Newcastle also - those b@stards!).


Chicago: Throwing sh!t at the wall. 

Chicago:
 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 17, 2018, 12:05:36 am
I'm not suggesting we are going to buy Lewis Grabban, but surely if £15m buys you a talented striker in his mid-20s such as Assombalonga, then £5m seems reasonable for what is essentially a '20 goals a season' striker at this level, who is 30yrs old.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 17, 2018, 06:43:57 am
I’d rather buy the £5m 25 goal Peterborough striker who is, I think, early 20s. There’s a bit more likelihood that he’ll still be worth £5m in 3 or 4 years’ time.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on May 17, 2018, 08:26:27 am
Grabban could be an excellent signing but would seem to make more sense further down the line, after we've put together strong enough foundations that adding an experienced 20 goals a season a striker makes the big difference. Fulham for example adding Mitrovic has probably nudged them over the line, although even then it's in the balance to some extent. Our problem is that we are so far off where Fulham were when they did that, we need to buy wholesale to get there in the timeframes we are giving the manager. If Grabban merely fires us into the top half of the table then that's a massive investment which we have no way of recovering. Someone needs to be looking at recruitment over the next two years of Karanka's contract and working out whether it can realistically deliver the promotion it essentially has to if we go down this spending route. I'm not sure we have that capability at the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on May 17, 2018, 08:34:23 am
Say we are going up, say we are going up!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 17, 2018, 09:10:46 am
It will come as no surprise that I'm in the Steve camp, not the Jim one.

We have often, in the past, been a graveyard for strikers. There appears to be a misconception, with talk of a '20 goal a season man' which fans often take very literally. The reality is that a finisher, if they're not SVC, is metaphorically the cherry on top. Not the cake. You have to look at how your team plays, look at how the strikers that interest you score their goals, and look at how that might work. So you either need the team first (we haven't got one), or to build the team around how the striker plays (takes more time), or put it all together on the hoof, under time and budgetary constraints, and hope it an comes together before the next published accounts puts a stop to the 'building' (good luck with that one).

Unfortunately many managers are as simplistic as fans (well relatively). They like to work with 'proven' players because they can't really make them. Their teams are about building 'partnerships' - deconstructing the game, playing in straight lines, being organised and solid. Basically trying to simplify and structure a game to control the ball out of play and reduce thinking and decision making. On the other side of the coin you have managers that blow apart structure, coach players to think for themselves and to play with press and mess. Rather than control the ball out of play, they keep it live and moving, kicking it away is a crime, and it's released willingly from control only under high likelihood of a goal.

In the first scheme a Murphy-a-like would be fine. In the second you probably needs something that looks more like an Osborn. But the point is... There is no 'guaranteed 20 goal a season striker'. It depends on your team, and every player reaches a point when they don't score any more and then retire. It feels like we've retired more than our fair share.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 17, 2018, 09:31:12 am
Villa need to go up this season otherwise they lose payments from prem I think. 

Relegated last year; four years of parachute payments, so I'm going to say that you're wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 17, 2018, 09:36:49 am
I believe it's changed to three years. Parachute payments to the villa (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-parachute-payments-when-11161706).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on May 17, 2018, 09:51:27 am
It will come as no surprise that I'm in the Steve camp, not the Jim one.

Oi, don't categorise me. I'm an enigma. A one of a kind. Unique. A special snowflake.

My opinions change hourly.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 17, 2018, 01:55:11 pm
I’d rather buy the £5m 25 goal Peterborough striker who is, I think, early 20s. There’s a bit more likelihood that he’ll still be worth £5m in 3 or 4 years’ time.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I don't think you can describe Jack Marriott as being a similar class to Grabban until he has actually performed at this level. He has had a stellar season with Posh, and he is still very young, but there is still no saying whether he would transfer that ability to Championship level or not.

I'd certainly be happy if we signed him, along with someone of Grabbans quality though.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 17, 2018, 10:03:09 pm
Marriott may not be worth £5m in four years time. Grabban definitely won’t.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on May 17, 2018, 10:18:52 pm
Grabban is a year younger than Jamie Vardy.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 17, 2018, 10:23:02 pm
Grabban is a year younger than Jamie Vardy.

Who also won't be worth £5m in four years time
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 18, 2018, 12:54:39 am
Why are we so hung up on what every player will be worth in four years time?

You buy a player like Grabban because he all but guarantees you a decent goal haul at this level, and if a consistent striker for a couple of years helps get you promoted then the write-off on the transfer fee is peanuts compared to the reward available.

It's ideal to have younger prospect players who you can sell for a profit, or minimal loss. But sometimes you just want to buy a capability that is already there, and there is a premium attached.



Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 18, 2018, 01:38:21 am
Why are we so hung up on what every player will be worth in four years time?

BECAUSE WE WERE PROMISED LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT IN AN OPEN LETTER

(except Murphy because we all love him because all he does is score goals)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on May 18, 2018, 02:12:22 am
You buy a player like Grabban because he all but guarantees you a decent goal haul at this level,

But he doesn't, does he? Do you know who guarantees goals at this level? SVC 20 years ago. Because he was so stupidly good it didn't matter what everyone else was doing to help him. It just so happened that the rest of the team was pretty good then too, so that was nice.

Experienced goalscorers, assuming their legs are ok, are a decent bet for conversion of the chances presented to them. And you can look at less experienced goalscorers and check out their conversion rates and give them as much value. That's why a Grabban is someone you drop into a side that knows what it's about and creates (the right kind of) chances.

More experienced goalscorers probably increase their chances at a conversion somewhat because of the exciting things they have learned about runs and positioning. But that's generally a development you'd expect to see in years 1-5 of a professional career. I'd not expect more of a 30-year-old than a 25-year-old in that regard.

From what I've seen, Forest do have a conversion problem. BB is developing and either needs to pick up that part of his game or concentrate on getting better at playing a position where he's not relied upon to put away the chances that everyone else works to create. If the side was settled and had a way of playing and you could swap/move BB add in a Grabban then it would be a reasonable call. But are Forest even close to being there?

Haven't we lost count of the number of proven goalscorers we've signed that haven't go the job done? Earnshaw scored goals but did f*ck-all else. Harris did a lot but scored f*ck-all. They come and they go and the only one that's really worked out was Britt.. who was a young gun and unproven at our level. Not only did he score goals, he was sold at a huge profit.. despite a serious injury*


* something else that favors young players. They can come back from injury. Older guys just clog up the payroll and the treatment rooms.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 18, 2018, 07:04:38 am
Harris did a lot but scored f*ck-all.

I don't know. He once took a sh!t on a dance floor, didn't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 18, 2018, 08:09:49 am
I don't know. He once took a sh!t on a dance floor, didn't he?
If I'd have known that, I'd have called him handbags.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on May 18, 2018, 08:18:27 am
This

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/world-cup-unlikely-source-signings-1579942

is quite the story.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on May 18, 2018, 08:50:13 am
WHERE'S THE AMBITION??????
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: The GasMan on May 18, 2018, 03:02:17 pm
I think Karanka's strategy is perfectly sound.
World Cup is not normally a great market for lower table Championship teams.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 18, 2018, 06:24:37 pm
if a consistent striker for a couple of years helps get you promoted then the write-off on the transfer fee is peanuts compared to the reward available.

Yes, if you get promoted.

But you may not promoted.

We payed Peterborough £5m for Assombolonga and didn't get promoted.

d*rby bought Nugent and Jerome for £4m and didn't get promoted.

Who got the better deal?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on May 18, 2018, 06:43:28 pm
Peterborough?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on May 18, 2018, 06:44:47 pm
Certainly not Middlesbrough
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 23, 2018, 12:23:48 pm
Seems to be a fair amount of speculation around Eric. Not a massive surprise if Karanka wants him out as he preferred Darikwa for most of his time in charge. Think I've also seen it suggested that Karanka might see Cash's future as a full/wing back.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on May 23, 2018, 12:55:19 pm
Terrible idea.  He’s not a defender.  Neither is Osborn.

Might be a better bet if he got a defender to play that role like Eric who is a better wing back than left/right back.

I think Kranky wants him gone because his wife is better looking than our Spanish Megson is.

Chicago:  Looker.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 23, 2018, 12:56:32 pm
Terrible idea.  He’s not a defender.  Neither is Osborn.

Out of interest, are Antonio Valencia or Ashley Young defenders?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on May 23, 2018, 01:35:49 pm
I think he's trying to trick you here Chicago. Don't fall for it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 23, 2018, 01:47:22 pm
I think he's trying to trick you here Chicago. Don't fall for it.

It is very confusing that sometimes players change positions and other players can play in multiple positions.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on May 23, 2018, 02:25:44 pm
It is very confusing that sometimes players change positions and other players can play in multiple positions.

f*cking continental poncey rubbish
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 23, 2018, 02:34:53 pm
f*cking continental poncey rubbish

Birrtles? Burns? Clough, N.? Bowyer? Poncey continentals all.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 23, 2018, 06:18:07 pm
See also my theory that modern football is about getting good midfielders (good all-round footballers, who can move, kick, have an awareness to working in tight spaces, and making good decisions) in every practical position.  Don't mention it to @Lessred‍ though.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on May 23, 2018, 07:08:10 pm
See also my theory that modern football is about getting good midfielders (good all-round footballers, who can move, kick, have an awareness to working in tight spaces, and making good decisions) in every practical position.  Don't mention it to @Lessred‍ though.

Continental Ponce, come Brexit day we can go back to good old fashioned 442
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 23, 2018, 07:11:24 pm
British footballers don't understand anything different, apparently[1]
So I was repeatedly told, in the old 3-5-2 argument days. Now we have nancy foreigners who can do something different, and we struggle to pick an England squad. We can go back to it any time you want...it wont mean we are ever going to be any good.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on May 24, 2018, 03:33:13 am
See also my theory that modern football is about getting good midfielders (good all-round footballers, who can move, kick, have an awareness to working in tight spaces, and making good decisions) in every practical position.  Don't mention it to @Lessred‍ though.

It's a lovely idea. "Mate, we're going to pay you a revolting amount of money and surround you with amazing staff and facilities. In return, we expect you to have a degree of competency in all the key disciplines of the sport. Including using both feet and your head. If you happen to be absurdly good at a few things we'll forgive deficiencies in others.. but unless you're almost *literally* Des Walker (and you're probably not) that's not going to be applicable."

It's not very *English*, though, is it.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 24, 2018, 09:26:10 am
Some of the potential signings bandied by the NEP fill me with dread. I like the sound of the POSH striker but when was the last time a player chose us above the teams linked with him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on May 24, 2018, 09:30:38 am
Assombalonga?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 24, 2018, 09:30:56 am
Some of the potential signings bandied by the NEP fill me with dread. I like the sound of the POSH striker but when was the last time a player chose us above the teams linked with him.

He hasn't signed yet but Hull offered Dawson a new contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on May 24, 2018, 09:46:09 am
Donny - The Walking Dread.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 24, 2018, 10:28:14 am
He hasn't signed yet but Hull offered Dawson a new contract.
Another has been, too old and too slow. I'm not keen on returning players out for a last pay check.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 24, 2018, 11:11:20 am
Another has been, too old and too slow. I'm not keen on returning players out for a last pay check.

We can take it as read that you aren't happy with any signing the club makes. But he will still contradict your assertion that we only sign players for whom there is no competition.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 24, 2018, 11:40:05 am
If and I stress if Palace are interested as reported, we haven't a prayer.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on May 24, 2018, 01:06:38 pm
And there we have the bottles nicely lined up. If we sign him, he's old and sh!te. If we don't sign him, it's because we can't compete.

Either way, it's donnytastic.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on May 24, 2018, 01:09:05 pm
That's Grumblewang!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 24, 2018, 01:09:53 pm
And there we have the bottles nicely lined up. If we sign him, he's old and sh!te. If we don't sign him, it's because we can't compete.

Either way, it's donnytastic.

Well I'm intrigued by the possibility that players might prefer to sign for clubs in a higher division. It had never previously occurred to me that could be the case.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 24, 2018, 01:32:37 pm
It's almost like it's quite tough to break out of being mediocre, with a limited budget.  Whodathunkit?

If only we were allowed to formulate some sort of strategy and long term plan.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on May 24, 2018, 01:50:29 pm
Why don't we just show more ambition and just be in the Premier League?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 24, 2018, 02:05:00 pm
That will take some passion, but I think you might have cracked it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 25, 2018, 12:34:56 pm
Alan Nixon says we might miss out on Marney. Not sure how to get over that one.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 25, 2018, 03:00:41 pm
How about with a glass of this? (https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/whisky/age/34-year-old-whisky)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: The GasMan on May 25, 2018, 03:03:34 pm
Alan Nixon says we might miss out on Marney. Not sure how to get over that one.
If we are signing Dawson then I take this as very good news. DOn't feel two 34 year old CD's are the answer.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 25, 2018, 03:15:15 pm
If we are signing Dawson then I take this as very good news. DOn't feel two 34 year old CD's are the answer.


Marney's a central midfielder. And he's been injured for the last 18 months, so he's not a major concern with respect to increasing the age of the first team.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 25, 2018, 04:02:20 pm
Well according to Paul Taylor all our players are good enough to keep next season. Mind he is a Notts fan.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 25, 2018, 04:11:46 pm
Well according to Paul Taylor all our players are good enough to keep next season. Mind he is a Notts fan.
I'd love to see a reference for that. I've certainly not seen all of his largely tedious, and hardly in-depth vague alluding of 'things', coverage....but I've not got a sense that he has implied that.  I would be very surprised.  I doubt that any club is ever in a position where they could say unilaterally that all of their squad are worth keeping.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 25, 2018, 04:23:14 pm
Read his player reports.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 25, 2018, 04:29:39 pm
Read his player reports.
Where?

Point me to where he says all players are good enough to keep, please.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on May 25, 2018, 07:08:09 pm
Alan Nixon says we might miss out on Marney. Not sure how to get over that one.

Donny has it sorted. We couldn't compete.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on May 26, 2018, 07:33:15 am
Where?

Point me to where he says all players are good enough to keep, please.

I fear you may be in for a bit of a wait here.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on May 28, 2018, 06:52:56 pm
Stoke after Ben O.  Some are quoting 7 million.  I like Ben and I would prefer him to stay (Not as a left back), but that’s some serious coin.  Although Kranky will probably waste it on Joey Barton or someone of that age.


No sign of incomings so maybe has to sell to buy after all. 

Chicago: Accounting major.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on May 28, 2018, 07:32:06 pm
I'd be quite upset if we sell the likes of Benny to get in the likes of Tomlin and Marney.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 28, 2018, 08:47:22 pm
I'd be quite upset if we sell the likes of Benny to get in the likes of Tomlin and Marney.
We can dream of our glorious summers transfer business. Get the-sen a scoop (https://www.drygate.com/item/5/Drygate/DISCO-FORK-LIFT-TRUCK.html) (@$"^£&&!!!), and pop on a motivational tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ZiFslK_P8
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on May 30, 2018, 09:24:22 am
Paul Taylor is dropping a big hint that Dawson is on his way back.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 30, 2018, 09:41:03 am
It would be a landmark signing.

In the sense that it would confirm that we have too many that are too old, on too long contracts, and are too expensive. 

Which doesn't just impact on what we are now, it affects what we can be when the financial latitude runs out.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on May 30, 2018, 09:58:07 am
Say WE ARE GOING UP, say WE ARE GOING UP !
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 30, 2018, 09:59:25 am
It's a massive mistake, comments from Kranky. "He knows the club" does he f*ck. He left as a youngster many years ago. He is almost 35 and has no legs. Hull conceded more than us with him in defense. Another pension payment from Forest.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 30, 2018, 10:24:00 am
I also would rather have someone who is really good at football and doesn't know the club than someone who was really good at football and does.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on May 30, 2018, 10:37:25 am
I also have my doubts but expect that the manager knows a bit more than me about this sort of thing, and I will therefore wait and see how things unfold over the season before getting out the A4.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 30, 2018, 10:48:30 am
I like Michael Dawson.  He's been a very good footballer, and an excellent leader. I hope it's not as melancholic a spell back with us as Webby's second. It will be interesting to see what happens to Worrall, and his development if he stays.

I suppose if you have no established recruitment expertise or structure, then you are limited to buying mostly players that everyone knows something about.  Although personally I'd have preferred to continue the development of a cheap young squad, while establishing that sort of expertise...but it's not to be.  Not for a long time, if ever.

If things go well we should manage to be 'ull (or at least a poor mans version of). This is a key pointer to that being the immediate future. We should be able to hold a mid-table championship position on turnover/size of club. Flirting with promotion would be a top end outcome...flirting with relegation a bottom end one.  We've been mainly bottom end in recent years, for obvious reasons. It will be interesting to see where this strategy takes us to given that it's likely to be the most sh!tty or busty since TGLE's tenure.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on May 30, 2018, 12:32:12 pm
comments from Kranky. "He knows the club" does he f*ck. He left as a youngster many years ago.

Well he was at the club for 8 years, and made 83 first team appearances, so he knows the club better than many.

As for the general negativity about this, I just don't get it.  He will be signing on a free, has bags of experience including a huge amount of PL football, international football and has won promotion from this league. Many have alluded to his leadership qualities, which are always important around the club. If he stays fit and plays well enough to earn a place then that's great, if he doesn't then Karanka isn't the sort of manager to play someone regardless of form, so he wouldn't be in the side.

In the big scheme of things, it seems to be one of the more measured risks we have taken across recent years.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on May 30, 2018, 01:12:00 pm
He'll be on a fine wage which nowadays is far more problematic for old guys when it comes to FFP. Spend £6 million on this guy from Peterborough, 4 year contract on 20k/week, total cost is 50k per week minus any fee we may get in the future. Sell him after three years for £10 million and we're £1 million in profit having had a player for free for three years. Assombalonga cost us nothing, Antonio cost us nothing. Dawson's wages are money spent, no return, on legs that may be gone in 6 months. An FFP drain. And we've had plenty of them in the past.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 30, 2018, 01:32:03 pm
Exactly, it's not an investment, it's a gamble of a short term pay off that may or may not work. Even if he gives us at best a season we are stuck with him for the remainder of his contract. I also dread to see what we will be paying him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 30, 2018, 01:36:47 pm
....As for the general negativity about this, I just don't get it.  He will be signing on a free, has bags of experience including a huge amount of PL football, international football and has won promotion from this league. Many have alluded to his leadership qualities, which are always important around the club. If he stays fit and plays well enough to earn a place then that's great, if he doesn't then Karanka isn't the sort of manager to play someone regardless of form, so he wouldn't be in the side.

In the big scheme of things, it seems to be one of the more measured risks we have taken across recent years.

1. He wont be signing on a free.  He will be signing on a substantial (likely) 2 year contract. In the context of the players we had previously, he will be a big chunk of change for the club.
2. Experience is good....although it doesn't seem like the squad will lack leadership next season.  It might lack physical attributes, and injury free settled teams though.  Areas in which Dawson is likely to contribute less effectively.
3. If he stays fit and plays well, that's great (although Worrall may not think so, if he's still here). Perhaps he can lead us to the sort of position he led Hull to last time out (checks.  Oh.  Below us)?

These things are judgment things, and there is no way to prove an alternative strategy that never actually happens. It's absolutely not the way I would go though.  I am absolutely of the view that the profile of signings will not take us forward as significantly as their cost...and that financial cost may well have a detrimental long term impact on the club.

As well as the pattern of play likely to be quite excruciating with all these geriatrics in it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 30, 2018, 01:44:16 pm
Hull defended and attacked set pieces considerably better than us last season . This seems like a signing designed to shore up that particular shortcoming. Dawson/Worrall/Figueroa/Fox seems like a reasonable balance of height/mobility/left&right footedness/experience/youth to me. If Mancienne stays and Worrall leaves, less so.

Dawson played 40 games last season and most of the ones he missed were after he got "injured" failing to sign for us in January.

What's important is the squad we have in August, not the squad we've got at the end of May.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on May 30, 2018, 07:25:43 pm
Wow, didn't see this coming

https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2018/may/michael-dawson-returns-to-nottingham-forest/
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on May 30, 2018, 07:30:20 pm
I hope this news won't ruin Donny's holiday.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on May 30, 2018, 07:45:51 pm
He’s 35 is he not?  Seems an odd one.  Is Kranky starting a retirement home?  Don’t get me wrong I loved him when he was here but unless we deploy him sensibly  (as in long ball teams like Cardiff .. oh wait!) then the future is Worrall and figgy pudding.   It’s nice but unlikely to get us promoted...


Chicago: Not that sentimental.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 30, 2018, 08:00:16 pm
Could be worse, we could be spunking a f*ckload of money on asking Frank Lampard to come and sell off the squad we can't afford any more.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 30, 2018, 08:27:26 pm
Reading Twitter you would think we had signed Ronaldo. Jesus he is a has been in his mid thirty's, who knows Forest are suckers for giving big final pay days.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on May 30, 2018, 09:01:39 pm
2 year deal. Could have been  worse.  Just hope.we aren't selling Joe W.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 30, 2018, 09:03:20 pm
I don't mind us signing Dawson. I like Dawson. Dawson is my eldest lad's favourite football player, ever since he gave him a Forest shirt in the 7s scheme in around 2004. I do mind us signing Dawson, Gueddy, Watson and Marney in a six month period.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on May 30, 2018, 09:23:30 pm
I don't mind us signing Dawson. I like Dawson. Dawson is my eldest lad's favourite football player, ever since he gave him a Forest shirt in the 7s scheme in around 2004. I do mind us signing Dawson, Gueddy, Watson and Marney in a six month period.

Agreed. Of all the old blokes we've signed Dawson is the one I'm happy with.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on May 30, 2018, 10:08:58 pm
Yes me too. I vividly remember Mickey's debut and those cross field hammer passes.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on May 30, 2018, 10:22:06 pm
Yes me too. I vividly remember Mickey's debut and those cross field hammer passes.

Yes. Me too.

Bit of a a different world now though, and he is 34.

To what question was the best answer 'a 34 yr old centre back with a recent history of injuries, on a 2 yr contract'?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 30, 2018, 10:54:13 pm
Yes. Me too.

Bit of a a different world now though, and he is 34.

To what question was the best answer 'a 34 yr old centre back with a recent history of injuries, on a 2 yr contract'?

"Who would be an ideal veteran presence to help develop the two talented young centre-halves we have on the books, provide leadership in the centre of defence, and be as good an influence off the field as he is on it? Bonus points if we might be able to get him at a bit of a discount from his market rate because he has some affinity for the club, and the club for him."

I really don't get why people are so verklempt about this. I get why Marney wasn't very popular as an idea, but this idea that we're filling the squad with old knackers is daft.

Average age of the squad:

Keepers - 25 1/4 (oldest Stephen Henderson, 30)

Defence - 26.9 (oldest Danny Fox, 32 (it was his birthday yesterday) and Michael Mancienne, 30)

Midfield - 26.4 (oldest Adlene Guedioura and Ben Watson, both 33)

Forwards - 25.1 (oldest Danny Murphy, 35)

This idea that we're building a squad of knackered, useless old lags is a bit off the mark IMO. In fact, get rid of a few as I'm sure we will (Murphy, Mancienne, Ward) and it will look really quite young.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 30, 2018, 11:18:09 pm
Could be worse, we could be spunking a f*ckload of money on asking Frank Lampard to come and sell off the squad we can't afford any more.
This is a positive.

......This idea that we're building a squad of knackered, useless old lags is a bit off the mark IMO. In fact, get rid of a few as I'm sure we will (Murphy, Mancienne, Ward) and it will look really quite young.

Give Kranky time to work his magic.  A more interesting measure will be the average age of the match day team, and the progress of the promising youngsters.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 30, 2018, 11:32:09 pm
Give Kranky time to work his magic.  A more interesting measure will be the average age of the match day team, and the progress of the promising youngsters.

Agreed on all of that. And we also have to factor in the young players who are in the squad currently but will leave, either permanently or on loan.

I would see the likely departures as being:

- one of the goalies, my guess would be Henderson or Evtimov
- Mancienne, Traore and Lam from the defence
- Ariyibi, Grant and Ward from midfield
- Clough, Cummings and Vellios up front

We'll almost certainly have to eat a bit of salary on at least a couple of those players to get someone to take them, but still. I don't think the squad is as old or as bloated as some seem to.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on May 31, 2018, 05:06:06 am
Give Kranky time to work his magic.  A more interesting measure will be the average age of the match day team, and the progress of the promising youngsters.

Plus, averages hide a lot. 2 x 19 year olds and 2 x 35 year olds is an average of 27.

27 is peak footballer. But two players starting out and two running out of legs is not a peak group.

But, nonetheless, there's a case for an experienced quality defender, and Dawson is as good a choice as any. Lest we forget that he, himself, had the benefit of playing with Sir Desmond in a side that contended for promotion. It's midfield where we probably don't want to be adding any more old pros into the mix.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on May 31, 2018, 07:33:22 am
But, nonetheless, there's a case for an experienced quality defender, and Dawson is as good a choice as any. Lest we forget that he, himself, had the benefit of playing with Sir Desmond in a side that contended for promotion. It's midfield where we probably don't want to be adding any more old pros into the mix.

This crossed my mind. How old was Sir Desmond when he came back? Was there as much gnashing of teeth as there is about this? Granted, Dawson is no Sir Desmond, but he's certainly been the best lanky bloke at the back we've had a for a long time.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 31, 2018, 07:43:19 am
36:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/nottm_forest/2097360.stm
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 31, 2018, 08:30:37 am
36:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/nottm_forest/2097360.stm

Turned 37 in the November after he signed. Dawson will turn 35 this November. More to the point, Des hadn't played for a whole season and his main strength at his peak was his pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 31, 2018, 10:09:23 am
Des Walker gifted Sheffield United a goal and then scored another for them. Hardly a great finish to his second stint.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on May 31, 2018, 10:30:29 am
Des Walker gifted Sheffield United a goal and then scored another for them. Hardly a great finish to his second stint.

Good point. And for this reason alone we shouldn't have signed Dawson again.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on May 31, 2018, 10:52:55 am
So we are going to lose in the play off semi final again..... Bugger
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on May 31, 2018, 12:18:53 pm
Des Walker gifted Sheffield United a goal and then scored another for them. Hardly a great finish to his second stint.
Without Dawson next to him as he was suspended for a stupid sending off in the first leg.
What's your point?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on May 31, 2018, 12:20:46 pm
Without Dawson next to him as he was suspended for a stupid sending off in the first leg.
What's your point?
Just pointing out Des Walker wasn't so great second time around.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 31, 2018, 12:21:23 pm
Without Dawson next to him as he was suspended for a stupid sending off in the first leg.
What's your point?

Reminiscing about the club's best season out of the last 20?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 31, 2018, 12:32:31 pm
20 f*cking years of nuffin'!!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 31, 2018, 12:39:02 pm
20 f*cking years of nuffin'!!


Well, there's always Yeovil to look back on. But then, there's always Yeovil to look back on.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on May 31, 2018, 01:51:55 pm
Just pointing out Des Walker wasn't so great second time around.

That was my recollection too, but others may have stats to tell a different story.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 31, 2018, 02:08:42 pm
Just pointing out Des Walker wasn't so great second time around.

Who'd have thought it? A bloke who re-signed as a 36-year-old had a few more miles on the clock than when he left just the nine years previously, aged 27.

As others have pointed out, Des was a class act whose pace was a huge weapon in his armoury. He could still read the game as well second time around at Forest (in a league below where he left us, of course) but the legs were never going to move him across the grass the same.

For what it's worth, my recollection is that him and Dawson worked quite well together. Daws did the youthful running and physical stuff, while Des coached him through the game and swept up around him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 31, 2018, 04:01:58 pm
Agreed on all of that. And we also have to factor in the young players who are in the squad currently but will leave, either permanently or on loan.

I would see the likely departures as being:

- one of the goalies, my guess would be Henderson or Evtimov
- Mancienne, Traore and Lam from the defence
- Ariyibi, Grant and Ward from midfield
- Clough, Cummings and Vellios up front

We'll almost certainly have to eat a bit of salary on at least a couple of those players to get someone to take them, but still. I don't think the squad is as old or as bloated as some seem to.

Both Henderson and Evtimov need to go. (Assuming Henderson is fit now?). Neither are any good.

Think you are right about the defenders and it looks like Lichaj is on the way out as well (or his agent is trying to get him a raise)

Karanka has said that Ariyibi will go out on loan but I'm sure he'd accept a reasonable offer. Wouldn't be a surprise to see Mckay, Bouchalakis and Bridcutt (in decreasing order of likeliness) depart.

Wouldn't be a surprise to see Walker leave as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 31, 2018, 04:24:24 pm
Would be sorry to see McKay go. He's got something worth persevering with. Players who excite like that are few and far between, and at this level inconsistency is an inevitable by-product. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 31, 2018, 04:27:51 pm
Would be sorry to see McKay go. He's got something worth persevering with. Players who excite like that are few and far between, and at this level inconsistency is an inevitable by-product. 

Agreed. Before Warburton drilled the attacking instincts out of him he looked like an exciting young player, would be nice to see if we can rediscover that. I don't know if Karanka's preferred style really lends itself to his skills though.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 31, 2018, 04:30:19 pm
I don't want to see McKay leave either.

Wingers are creatures of form and there's every chance that, by October, opinions of Lolley and McKay will have switched.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on May 31, 2018, 04:31:38 pm
Before Warburton drilled the attacking instincts out of him...

Say it enough and it becomes true? There could be all sorts of reasons why his form dropped.

I heard that he was shagging Mills girlfriend and the squad froze him out. Totally untrue, but I'm going to keep saying it until it becomes established FACT.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 31, 2018, 04:39:18 pm
Say it enough and it becomes true? There could be all sorts of reasons why his form dropped.

I heard that he was shagging Mills girlfriend and the squad froze him out. Totally untrue, but I'm going to keep saying it until it becomes established FACT.

Depends. Did you see him out and about with Mills' girlfriend being all smoochy and touchy? Because I certainly watched McKay become a different player over the second quarter of the season. Maybe he decided all on his own to turn and lay the ball back to the full back at the first sign of a tackle instead of taking them on as he did in the first ten games of the season, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on May 31, 2018, 04:40:58 pm
Would be happy to see McKay, Walker and Appiah backing first choice wide forwards of Lolley and A N Other.

Full backs don't seem to be getting any mentions for transfer links but we must be planning on a left back at least and could really do with both sides sorting.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 31, 2018, 04:43:55 pm
Would be happy to see McKay, Walker and Appiah backing first choice wide forwards of Lolley and A N Other.

Full backs don't seem to be getting any mentions for transfer links but we must be planning on a left back at least and could really do with both sides sorting.


Fuentes is a left back, is he not?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 31, 2018, 04:44:20 pm
....Maybe he decided all on his own to turn and lay the ball back to the full back at the first sign of a tackle instead of taking them on as he did in the first ten games of the season, but I doubt it.

I'm sure form, fitness and confidence played no part...and nor did the opposition teams having had the chance to scout him.

Most likely, as you imply, is that the manager said to him something like: "Look, you know that thing you do, beating people, and creating goals and good opportunities for the team? Well f*cking stop that, I need the sack from this joint."
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 31, 2018, 04:46:01 pm
Fuentes is a left back, is he not?

A broken one.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on May 31, 2018, 05:02:09 pm
I'm sure form, fitness and confidence played no part...and nor did the opposition teams having had the chance to scout him.

Most likely, as you imply, is that the manager said to him something like: "Look, you know that thing you do, beating people, and creating goals and good opportunities for the team? Well f*cking stop that, I need the sack from this joint."

You could be right. We should also consider the possibility that McKay took the view that there was no point continuing to beat his man and get into position to put the ball into areas of danger when the undroppable waste of space whose job it was to finish those balls was too busy ambling around the centre of the park wondering how to beat the traffic on Radcliffe Road so he could get home in time for 9 holes before dark.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on May 31, 2018, 05:08:11 pm
I see why you prefer a "get the most out of the squad" type manager.  Nice and grindy, no excitement, nothing to get too irate about. Nothing.

'ull.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 01, 2018, 07:19:37 am
Just realised that Donny used a headed own goal in an important end of season game as evidence the 37 year old Des Walker wasn't the player he was in his prime.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 01, 2018, 07:23:51 am
Just realised that Donny used a headed own goal in an important end of season game as evidence the 37 year old Des Walker wasn't the player he was in his prime.

He’s actually using that as evidence as to why we shouldn’t have signed Dawson.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 01, 2018, 09:38:46 am
There are a range of things here, some of which are dfinitely true, some of which are true but unrelated.

Des without pace was a far lesser player than he was. I was critical at the time. Des did head into his own net...but that wasn't really related to lack of pace. good defenders will score a percentage of own goals, it's in the nature of the postion.  Unlucky for Des that he's had some unfortunate ones.

We can't say if Michael Dawson is, or is not a success or failure at this point.  What one can have an opinion on is whether, in the context of the overall squad, would you be paying him for two years in the light of his recent history.  I will not, others may...time will tell which looks the better bet.

I think we can call the Hobbs judgement now, given his time at the club is over.  When Bruce sought to extort an extra fee, I wrote on here that we should tell him to do one, and use the money on another player - because he was overpriced.  5 years, and 50 league appearances later, I'm sure we can all agree that was wasted money.

My view would be that because of his age, and injury record, it is unlikely to offer good value. He's our John Terry, in a sense (we don't have the same level of budget as the brum clarets). Villa haven't just declined the opportunity of another year for him because they feel that he offers value.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 01, 2018, 10:17:48 am
He’s actually using that as evidence as to why we shouldn’t have signed Dawson.
That's certainly not the sole reason, I just don't think Dawson has enough to offer. Hull haven't been great at defending this season and he has been a major part of that defense. Crikey if Taylor is right we tried to buy two of their defenders, half of the defence that was worse than ours. If we get Marney as well we will be spunking FFP risks on two players that will struggle to play one full season let alone two.Dawson will be on at least £15k if not more and Marney will want similar. I'm not against experience but a 30 yr old is experienced and will have more chance of playing. I personally wasn't that impressed with Watson, I thought he would be more proactive than he has shown.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 01, 2018, 06:35:42 pm
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/06/01/west-broms-top-doctor-leaves-after-eight-years/

We are singing West Brom’s ‘top doctor.’ Presumably for all our OAP signings.

But it looks another good positive off field addition.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 01, 2018, 06:45:17 pm
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/06/01/west-broms-top-doctor-leaves-after-eight-years/

We are singing West Brom’s ‘top doctor.’ Presumably for all our OAP signings.

But it looks another good positive off field addition.

“It wasn’t an easy decision to leave, but after eight years I needed a new challenge and wanted to tackle something with renewed energy. Forest's signing of Michael Dawson clearly indicates that they're the kind of team who will provide that and while I'm disappointed at not getting the chance to become acquainted with Jack Hobbs and Chris Cohen, I have every faith in the club's management team to provide me with a steady stream of age and infirmity related cases to keep my interest. I've already been in touch with Danny Murphy's agent who has provided me with a full list of his planned golf tournaments for the upcoming season, and I've begun work on creating a list of inventive and increasingly esoteric medical reasons why he won't be available for selection on those dates."
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Rich B on June 02, 2018, 10:48:23 am
Apparently we are after Ings
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on June 02, 2018, 12:01:26 pm
He used to be very good. Is he anymore?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 02, 2018, 12:10:00 pm
Where did that come from Rich? I heard the same from somebody who could plausibly know his onions, but that was a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Rich B on June 02, 2018, 12:19:34 pm
Someone who hangs around with Jonny Evans
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 02, 2018, 01:15:27 pm
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/06/01/west-broms-top-doctor-leaves-after-eight-years/

We are singing West Brom’s ‘top doctor.’ Presumably for all our OAP signings.

But it looks another good positive off field addition.


Good nickname for a doctor:

Quote
Dr Mark Gillett, who was known simply as the ‘Doc’ at the Baggies, headed up a team of six people.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 02, 2018, 01:33:03 pm
Rumour mill saying we are in for a couple of young Benfica starlets
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 02, 2018, 01:44:15 pm
We keep being linked with players but I don't read much about any other club being linked with our deadwood other than Osborn whom we don't want to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 02, 2018, 01:59:39 pm
Just gerronwitit and kickemaaattt!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on June 02, 2018, 04:14:19 pm
The Greek journo who seems to know what is going on has suggested that all 3 Greeks will be off..
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 03, 2018, 11:48:03 am
Not sure it's a massive surprise for any of them, although I do like Bouch and Vellios.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 03, 2018, 12:14:53 pm
In a squad where the lack of movement of Watson is celebrated, Bunch-of-lagers might consider himself unfortunate to be surplus to requirements.  Particularly as he can actually kick.

Velios: We have seen the occasional nice goal, but it seems that he has consistently been judged to be short of commanding a regular place in the side, even when up against an experienced striker badly out of form, or a kid still learning. I find myself unconvinced that him as the fulcrum of our side would get us where we want to be, and I'm absolutely certain that he's not SVC reincarnated (assuming you can be without the original having died).  I'm filing this one under 'meh'.

Who is the other greek? The owner?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: SWT on June 03, 2018, 12:30:36 pm
Kapino, the keeper.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: pantzcat on June 03, 2018, 12:31:16 pm
The Goalie we ended the season with, surprised most about him as we haven't sealed Pantillimon either.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: The GasMan on June 03, 2018, 03:39:05 pm
Aston Villa are after Pantilimon.
This, from Sportinglife.com "Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce is keen on a loan deal for Watford goalkeeper Costel Pantilimon."
Probably means we are unlikely to land him at Forest.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 03, 2018, 04:03:18 pm
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LOLZ
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 03, 2018, 04:09:39 pm
Expect a proper full blooded tilt at sh!t or bust, this summer. As previously predicted.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 03, 2018, 04:31:49 pm
Expect a proper full blooded tilt at sh!t or bust, this summer. As previously predicted.

That sounds awesome. Sign me up.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 03, 2018, 04:46:39 pm
That sounds awesome. Sign me up.
It will be ace.

.....but sign me out of the two or three seasons after that.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 03, 2018, 04:57:17 pm
I don’t give two shiny sh!ts if we buy the league like Wolves did but I fear that we will buy the league like Middlesbrough did.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 03, 2018, 05:02:07 pm
I don’t give two shiny sh!ts if we buy the league like Wolves did but I fear that we will buy the league like Middlesbrough did.

You're right, but signing a few 21 year old starlets from Benfica doesn't sound like a strategy without an exit hatch, unlike say signing 34 year old washed up lags from Newcastle.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 03, 2018, 05:04:15 pm
You're right, but signing a few 21 year old starlets from Benfica doesn't sound like a strategy without an exit hatch, unlike say signing 34 year old washed up lags from Newcastle.
It really all comes down to how much you pay for them, and pay them. Value, if you like.

If you overpay, you take a hit when you can't afford them any more. We have less scope for 'hit' than many in the division, so we have to get it more right.

Personally I don't think we are in the sort of shape to get it 'more right' yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 03, 2018, 05:10:18 pm
Here's a thread from Reddit discussing them (mainly Carvaho):

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/8o7q29/benfica_youngsters_diogo_gon%C3%A7alves_and_jo%C3%A3o/
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 03, 2018, 08:53:44 pm
If that’s structured over 4 seasons it’s just over 3m per season for the fee. So not quite as sh!t or bust as first appears.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 03, 2018, 09:50:38 pm
If that’s structured over 4 seasons it’s just over 3m per season for the fee. So not quite as sh!t or bust as first appears.

Our annual turnover is about £13m a year (maybe a little higher now?). Committing nearly a quarter of that on one player (without considering his wages) is about as sh!t or bust as you can get.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 03, 2018, 10:05:55 pm
Our annual turnover is about £13m a year (maybe a little higher now?). Committing nearly a quarter of that on one player (without considering his wages) is about as sh!t or bust as you can get.

OK, but we're also allowed to lose about the same and remain within FFP limits (I seem to recall we can lose £39m over three years) so if the owner is willing to finance that kind of shortfall (bearing in mind we also sold a player for £15m last year) then I don't see a huge issue with it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dk on June 03, 2018, 11:13:04 pm
If that’s structured over 4 seasons it’s just over 3m per season for the fee. So not quite as sh!t or bust as first appears.
anyway Alan Nixon indicates the fee quoted is vastly overstated so even less when spread over 4 seasons
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 04, 2018, 07:42:58 am
The Goalie we ended the season with, surprised most about him as we haven't sealed Pantillimon either.


Jordan Smith's visit to that witch is paying off.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Rich B on June 04, 2018, 03:28:53 pm
No idea if it's us or not:


Darragh MacAnthony
‏Verified account @DMAC102
3m3 minutes ago

So @theposhofficial have accepted a SEVEN figure transfer fee for one of our players today. The player has been given permission to talk terms etc. Thats all for today :)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 04, 2018, 05:39:08 pm
Seven figures. Had to work that out...

£1,234,567.

It's not us. EIGHT figures or nothing, these days.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 04, 2018, 05:40:58 pm
12,345.67

It's Notts!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 04, 2018, 05:42:56 pm
12,345.67

It's Notts!

Although we might have to stick a few grand in their buckets.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 04, 2018, 05:50:05 pm
Have we made any EIGHT FIGURE signings yet?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on June 05, 2018, 11:03:08 am
We could tap up Tricky and get a figure of eight signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 05, 2018, 11:47:38 am
McKay rumoured off to our feeder club partner club Olympiakos.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on June 05, 2018, 12:06:53 pm
Really odd one that. I can't see it working out at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 05, 2018, 12:24:52 pm
Really odd one that. I can't see it working out at all.

Matt d*rbyshire, Raffik Djebbour and Djamel Abdoun did great things in the Greek league.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on June 06, 2018, 08:11:44 pm
Looks like the Portuguese blokes have signed.  Also no international paperwork according to the football league can be accepted before June 8th so I expect them and that Soudani Bloke to be announced Friday or soon after.

Apparently Max Clarke is signing for us too from Hull.  Know bugger all about him.  Can he head the ball?

I would be shocked if Soudani was our big striker target but again it’s not as if Kranky was Keegan and wanted to score bum loads of goals is it?

Hopefully Ben O stays and Bridgett too (would be weird if he left so soon after joining Us).

Mildly disappointing is that it looks like Leeds have pipped us to Abel Hernandez on a free.  27.  Perfect age.  Free!  Did I mention free?  I would have been happy with him.  Oh well.  Guess we should just spunk loads of cash on Rooney or something.

Chicago:  Finger on the pulse.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 06, 2018, 08:36:53 pm
£40k a week for Hernandez is eye watering at this level, and can set a dangerous precedent if they are not careful. Top player though.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 06, 2018, 09:41:42 pm
So we now have half of Hull's defence that was actually worse than ours. Makes Sense!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on June 06, 2018, 10:16:26 pm
£40k a week for Hernandez is eye watering at this level, and can set a dangerous precedent if they are not careful. Top player though.

Yes but Hernandez Is proven and comes with no fee.  We might be spending a silly amount on some unproven talent youngsters from the Iberian coast.

Given a choice - think I would have snagged Abel.


Chicago:  Money man.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 06, 2018, 10:23:55 pm
Yes but Hernandez Is proven and comes with no fee.  We might be spending a silly amount on some unproven talent youngsters from the Iberian coast.

Given a choice - think I would have snagged Abel.


Chicago:  Money man.

There is a difference when it comes to wages though, as it can create some negative dynamics behind the scenes and you run the risk of spiralling your operational costs out of control if it ends up setting a precedent.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Art on June 07, 2018, 11:04:40 am
It doesn't seem that long ago that Roy Keane in his prime as best midfielder in country, got a new contract at Manure for £50k a week.

Football has gone mad I tell you
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 07, 2018, 11:05:38 am
It had gone mad at £20k/week.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 07, 2018, 02:50:51 pm
The path we are starting down? (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/aston-villa-tony-xia-bleak-future)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 07, 2018, 03:06:09 pm
The path we are starting down? (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/aston-villa-tony-xia-bleak-future)

They need £4million a month to cover costs (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/aston-villa-tony-xia-bleak-future)

Do keep up.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 07, 2018, 03:50:00 pm
Its a good article, worth posting twice.

Remember when we were losing 100k/week? Villa are losing ten times that....
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Loafé on June 07, 2018, 04:23:52 pm
Is it not a tiny bit exciting that we have signed a £14million player?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 07, 2018, 04:34:48 pm
One more and we are well on the way to being a poor mans Villa.  Woot!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 07, 2018, 04:55:53 pm
Is it not a tiny bit exciting that we have signed a £14million player?

Sorry - who?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 07, 2018, 04:58:17 pm
Is it Baggio?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 07, 2018, 05:05:14 pm
Is it not a tiny bit exciting that we have signed a £14million player?

It would be, if I'd ever heard of him. Looking at his Wiki, doesn't come across as anything to get excited about, so all I've got so far is the price tag.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 07, 2018, 05:20:47 pm
It would be, if I'd ever heard of him. Looking at his Wiki, doesn't come across as anything to get excited about, so all I've got so far is the price tag.

But unless you follow world football you would not have heard of many foreign players.

I haven’t heard of most that get signed up for millions by Prem League clubs but it doesn’t mean they aren’t decent.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 07, 2018, 05:31:43 pm
I have no idea about the signing and can very little to understand what makes him worth the money. I'm just hoping someone knows what they are doing.the last thing I want to do is gripe on a message board.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 07, 2018, 05:33:45 pm
the last thing I want to do is gripe on a message board.

Well quite.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 07, 2018, 05:46:20 pm
Sorry - who?

Joao Carvalho, the young winger from Benfica. Although it doesn't appear to be official, just the Post reporting that they understand that a Portuguese website overheard someone in a bar who might know Jose Mourinho's gardener.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 07, 2018, 06:08:28 pm
Is he the one that has mainly played 'B' football?  I'm sure he's brilliant, and it's exceptional scouting. Still, a lot of money for a club like us,  and a massive gamble on an unproven player in English football. 

I'm suspecting its bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on June 07, 2018, 06:38:57 pm
I think he played in the champions league against Man Ure. Not that means he's good or anything
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on June 07, 2018, 07:25:21 pm
I think he played in the champions league against Man Ure. Not that means he's good or anything

Pretty sure Abdoun had played in the Champions League.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 07, 2018, 07:41:25 pm
I'm refusing to get excited or otherwise about any signing, until they have actually signed.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on June 07, 2018, 08:02:43 pm
Ditto
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on June 07, 2018, 08:54:06 pm
Pretty sure Abdoun had played in the Champions League.

And Messi. I'll say it now, he is the next Messi.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 07, 2018, 09:13:25 pm
Is he the one that has mainly played 'B' football?  I'm sure he's brilliant, and it's exceptional scouting. Still, a lot of money for a club like us,  and a massive gamble on an unproven player in English football.

I'm suspecting its bollocks.

The Portuguese media outlets have said its done. One signed and one on loan.

Ive seen comments from Benifica fans on Twitter who think the price is far too cheap and Carvalo will be the next Bernado Silva (in terms of selling him too cheaply/early).

Given the recent years signings of Chris O'Grady and Matt Mills, I'll be optimistic and enjoy this.

Marinikas has come here to get Premier League football, he'll have to spend money to achieve this. I'm looking forward to seeing what develops.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on June 07, 2018, 11:07:15 pm
Well with McKay going to Greece for a 5 million loan fee... (cough). 

Well wouldn't it be nice to nick some Villa players on the cheap (ish).  Kodja, Adomah and Hourihane spring to mind.  I would assume that Tom Chester would be too expensive and will end up at Leicester or something...   Maybe Ross McCormack has managed to figure out how the gate works and is available for free.  

Wouldn't it be nice to do a bit of thievery.  As for Lansbury?  Nah Let him rot on his 40K a week.  He can always become a male model or something...


Chicago: Assuming we are minted. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 08, 2018, 12:27:24 am
I sawa a video with one of these Portuguese fellas and I'm sure they were playing in the same team as... name escapes me... signed under Montannier...  dreadlocked winger... got sent off  lot... ended up at Northampton?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on June 08, 2018, 12:29:05 am
Hildeberto Pereira.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 08, 2018, 12:31:44 am
Bless you.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 08, 2018, 01:00:32 am
But unless you follow world football you would not have heard of many foreign players.

I haven’t heard of most that get signed up for millions by Prem League clubs but it doesn’t mean they aren’t decent.

I'm not saying he's no good, I have no idea of his talents. Just not going to get excited about a transfer fee. It's just as likely to be money spunked up the wall as the lad being any good.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 09, 2018, 10:34:03 am
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-target-jack-colback-1656757. f*ck him we can do better on a lot less mercenary wages.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 09, 2018, 11:01:43 am
I argue with my football friends about him, my personal assessment being less flattering than the average. What nobody disagrees with is that he's terrible value, and not one we should touch with a barge pole.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 09, 2018, 01:04:46 pm
He's a good player, and if he is willing to drop down wages to get regular football then great, but if he really is holding on for a PL offer (or PL wage offer) then we should move on
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 10, 2018, 07:59:45 pm
I saw some crazy press talk yesterday suggesting that Real Madrid might be considering a swoop for Kranky.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 10, 2018, 08:17:38 pm
I saw some crazy press talk yesterday suggesting that Real Madrid might be considering a swoop for Kranky.

Pay rise and contract extension on the way then.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 10, 2018, 08:30:50 pm
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/708393/Man-Utd-Jose-Mourinho-Real-Madrid-Zinedine-Zidane-Aitor-Karanka-Nottingham-Forest
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 10, 2018, 08:36:08 pm
Lichaj to Hull?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dk on June 11, 2018, 12:45:20 am
I argue with my football friends about him, my personal assessment being less flattering than the average. What nobody disagrees with is that he's terrible value, and not one we should touch with a barge pole.
He grew on me, thought his performances improved as time went. I heard he is looking for £30k a week( which represents a drop for him) whilst we are only prepared to pay £15k. So NUFC will have to bridge the gap or we will miss out
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 11, 2018, 06:11:25 am
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/708393/Man-Utd-Jose-Mourinho-Real-Madrid-Zinedine-Zidane-Aitor-Karanka-Nottingham-Forest
I don't think I would lose any sleep if he went. Our results and performances were not much better after he came than before. Despite a cluster of new arrivals.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 11, 2018, 09:12:34 am
Lichaj to Hull?

Strange one, considering he's a much better player than Darikwa and is serviceable at right and left back. Can only assume that the Burton sending off really pissed off Karanka.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on June 11, 2018, 09:54:53 am
He wasn't in favour much even before that was he? Karanka doesn't seem a fan at all. Which makes me like Karanka a little less.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on June 11, 2018, 10:49:36 am
Yes, I don't get that one at all.  One would assume that there is both a decent RB and LB incoming.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: pantzcat on June 11, 2018, 01:22:28 pm
I presume we're going with some new continental formation that doesn't require full backs.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 11, 2018, 01:38:26 pm
Three at the back, with Cash right wingback and a new signing on the left?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on June 11, 2018, 02:13:23 pm
Three at the back, with Cash right wingback and a new signing on the left?

Or more likely Ozzy unless we get silly money for him.


Chicago:  Tactical Genius.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 11, 2018, 02:21:19 pm
Three at the back is the future. As I've been telling you lot for twenty years.

If only we could do some of these things before every f*cker else had, we might get ahead of the game, instead of trailing it.

There's still a lot of work to be done with the squad.  The balance is miles away. Even if we weren't spending money there would be a lot that was needed to do...but I'll be genuinely surprised if we don't end up recruiting double figures this closed season (including season long loans).

It will be a long summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 12, 2018, 07:30:06 pm
According to the NEP we are in for Alan Hutton from Villa. We are really going for the old has been club title.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on June 12, 2018, 08:15:54 pm
Hutton for Lichaj is a sh!t piece of business
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 12, 2018, 08:48:01 pm
Is it? Assuming it's true for a minute, and it's only paper talk at the moment....it may be that Lichaj-Hutton would be a back-up to another full back, or an option to bring off the bench if you change formation at the back during a game. Lichaj is unlikely to be happy filling that role, but Hutton may be more receptive to it....we can get a fee for Lichaj and get Hutton on a free, so we make - say half a million on the switch and wind up with a backup who is indeed older, but is a better all round player with more top level experience.

Not saying that's it, it will happen or even that I want it to happen but if Lichaj goes (and for all we know he may have asked to go), then I don't see Hutton as a terrible move as long as we are not relying on him for the every-day fullback position.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 12, 2018, 09:21:40 pm
Alan Hutton is 33 yrs old. He made 10 league appearances for Aston Vanilla last season.

Did we think he was good when he played for us 4 yrs ago? Is he likely to be better, and less prone to injury, now?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on June 12, 2018, 09:24:50 pm
I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment but Soccerbase says he played 33 times last season, including both playoff semi finals.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 12, 2018, 09:28:50 pm
In that case, duff information, for which I can only beat the internet elves until they are lifeless. And then I will deport their relatives.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 13, 2018, 04:19:39 pm
Carvalho signed, apparently. 13.5M or some such.

Not really getting why we're selling Barrie McKay to Olympiacos, at the same time, on a 3 yr deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 13, 2018, 05:04:21 pm
...exploiting the lax rules about controlling interests in foreign clubs, in order to evade FFP regulations?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 13, 2018, 05:29:33 pm
Bargain. Let’s hope we don’t break him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 13, 2018, 10:23:53 pm
...exploiting the lax rules about controlling interests in foreign clubs, in order to evade FFP regulations?

I'm not sufficiently up on this stuff to appreciate the thing wot you is saying. Can you explain please?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 13, 2018, 10:56:26 pm
There was a time when you couldn't have a controlling interest in more than one club, because of a potential conflict of interest. It seems to not be the case any more - although it might still apply within national league systems....but given the global nature of the football business.

Imagine you have a big club, in a less prestigious league, that nevertheless has a substantial turnover/budget.  Then imagine that you also have a controlling interest in a second rank team, in a prestigious league, that you would like to see do well. You could, perhaps (or so it seems), buy 'assets' of that second rank team at inflated prices, using the resources of your big club (small league).  You could also buy players with your 'big' club, and loan them to your 'little' club (big league).  This would artificially boost the income of the second rank team and allow that organisation to outperform their natural resources.

Watford were similarly linked with Udinese, at a time when they had ten loan players from that club on the books in one season.  This is unlikely to be a coincidence.

Quote
Their use of their two other clubs, Udinese and Grenada, to sign 14 players on loan prompted a change to the Football League’s rules in the summer of 2013. That was after Watford reached the play-off final in their first season under their new owners.

The Pozzo's (have?) owned clubs in all the major european leauges at the same time (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/24/the-pozzo-family-have-built-a-footballing-empire-but-it-has-not/).

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 13, 2018, 11:30:11 pm
Gotcha.

I can't see Barrie lasting more than one summer in Greece though. His problem I suppose. Uncle Evangelos' 'friends' will no doubt have a word now and again.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 13, 2018, 11:31:39 pm
Might well not even play. Will probably be loaned somewhere. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 14, 2018, 07:29:47 am
My first thought was "loan back to us?", but that might look too much like taking the piss out of the rules.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 14, 2018, 08:24:39 am
Olympiacos have FFP limitations of their own for champions league qualification and any transfer between the two clubs is going to be looked into by the league, so there must be a cap on what Marinakis can realistically transfer through that route.

Also the Watford situation, while an FFP dodge, was a little more complicated than Udinese lending them players to get them promoted. The three Pozzo clubs pool scouting resources and then place players to whichever club/league they feel they are best suited (which is why Watford can churn managers with little impact on their results - the "manager" has little to no say over the playing staff).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 14, 2018, 09:46:23 am
Lets be clear.  I'm not saying this is against the rules and we shouldn't be doing it. I'm saying this is likely what is happening.  Its an administrative route available to multiple club owners that can benefit disproportionately a club of their choosing within their 'group'. It's not new or a foreign problem (Maxwell, Oxford, Shaggers).  Even if you made rules against it rich men would get together in private rooms around the world and make reciprocal arrangements. 

My issue in this case is not, per se, that football is open to competitive abuse... its that it has a ridiculous ill thought out framework of rules that on the one hand restrict single owners from investing honestly to build a team/club, but on the other hand provide an excellent platform for global money laundering on a spectacular scale. 

Football Guidance Rules:

1. It's all about the money. 
2. The FA is a joke. 
3. FIFA/UEFA is(are) endemically and by design corrupt.

Governments suck at the cock of corrupt football money. Football is more popular than them,  so they don't want to take them on... anyway there's ways of getting at bits of the cash. Where the right people are not being paid investigations may be launched. 

It's not just a football problem.  We increasingly are a country up for sale. Anyone seriously think leaving the EU is more about our economies ability to trade 'freely' than it is to avoid legal scrutiny of the sort of 'foreign investor' who now own Kensington etc al.

If things appear to be confusing, think of the money.

Football is brilliant, but what you watch is the side-effect, not the product.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 14, 2018, 09:49:46 am
This sort of fits nicely on here.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jun/14/how-russia-won-the-world-cup
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 14, 2018, 01:05:34 pm
Looks like Marriott will be going to the Sheep. Never mind there are plenty of knackered veterans we can sign that are being released due to ailments.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 14, 2018, 02:11:40 pm
Looks like Marriott will be going to the Sheep. Never mind there are plenty of knackered veterans we can sign that are being released due to ailments.

Hutton's signed a new contract at Villa, so you can move him from the "waste of space we shouldn't have signed" pile into the "ones we missed out on" pile.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 14, 2018, 02:19:45 pm
Looks like Marriott will be going to the Sheep.

Does it? Because Barry Fry didn't actually say that.

Quote
“Jack does want to join Nottingham Forest but d*rby’s interest is recent and I would say they have a better chance of making us the right sort of offer," Fry told the Peterborough Telegraph.

“Forest say they are keen on Jack but they have made no offer yet despite their manager (Aitor Karanka) being very friendly with our manager (Steve Evans). They talk all the time and Jack is a regular subject."

“Bristol City are also very keen but, again, no bid has been made that I would even take to the board.”

Sounds very much to me like Fry trying to get Forest to actually make a bid.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 14, 2018, 02:24:36 pm
I can't remember the last time a player chose us above the sheep. Mind you the NEP are so off the mark and out of the loop. First Villa had released him and he was in his way then he signs a new contract. It's quite sad for the NEP that they struggle for any genuine transfer news.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 14, 2018, 02:30:47 pm
It's quite sad for the NEP that they struggle for any genuine transfer news.

Pot. Kettle.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 14, 2018, 02:37:41 pm
Pot. Kettle.
Hold on Rich, I know nothing and don't claim to.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 14, 2018, 02:41:25 pm
Hold on Rich, I know nothing and don't claim to.

All of five posts ago.

Looks like Marriott will be going to the Sheep.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 14, 2018, 02:48:12 pm
I don't believe any transfer rumours until they've been confirmed by a millionaire caravan owner from Skegness.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on June 14, 2018, 02:59:39 pm
d*rby's chairman has publicly talked about FFP and cutting their cloth accordingly.

Even if they sell Vydra, I can't imagine they'll be splashing out the sort of money that Peterborough will want for Marriott.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 14, 2018, 03:21:27 pm
Barry Fry has never been one to use his clubs money unnecessarily on agents, when it comes to disseminating transfer rumour, in order to stimulate activity. Not when that money can be used better elsewhere. Barry fry is a proper football man.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 14, 2018, 05:19:48 pm
I don't believe any transfer rumours until they've been confirmed by a millionaire caravan owner from Skegness.
well Russ that Skegness business man was on the money about Fawaz. Totally right with his comments as all he predicted happened..Fawaz turned out to be a right tw@t who was certainly causing the club embarrassment.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 14, 2018, 05:41:40 pm
well Russ that Skegness business man was on the money about Fawaz. Totally right with his comments as all he predicted happened..Fawaz turned out to be a right tw@t who was certainly causing the club embarrassment.
It was almost impossible to work that out from his public behaviour.  Definitely needed that level of insider knowledge to help decode it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 14, 2018, 05:45:53 pm
It was almost impossible to work that out from his public behaviour.  Definitely needed that level of insider knowledge to help decode it.

Quite. If stating the bleeding obvious is 'insider knowledge' I could be the next nostradamus.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 14, 2018, 06:52:12 pm
This was well before fans suspected Fawaz was a liability and a dingbat.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 14, 2018, 06:59:22 pm
It really wasn't.  Not as reported here anyway, unless you'd been sitting on it for a few years.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on June 14, 2018, 08:10:28 pm
f*ck me. Swoopage of massive proportions. sh!t or bust is go.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on June 14, 2018, 08:48:12 pm
On the face of it, it seems a rather odd decision
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 14, 2018, 09:00:44 pm
Really going for it, as several predicted. Personally, I can’t wait for the season to start.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 14, 2018, 09:28:47 pm
On the face of it, it seems a rather odd decision

Absolutely, unless we buy a goalkeeper, CB, CM and CF of similar calibre. Otherwise it just looks like two baubles who are unlikely to settle very easily.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: east end tree on June 14, 2018, 09:39:20 pm
Benfica fan at work says Carvalho is mustard, highly regarded and could be a future star. Diogo less so, although still well thought of apparently.

The new kit is a Sunday League monstrosity...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 14, 2018, 09:43:02 pm
Absolutely, unless we buy a goalkeeper, CB, CM and CF of similar calibre. Otherwise it just looks like two baubles who are unlikely to settle very easily.

How does these signings fit in with “we only sign old or ex players on the hunt for one last pay day” narrative?

Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on June 14, 2018, 09:52:29 pm
They're the hasbeens. These 2 are the inexperienced neverwillbes.
Different subset of the 'sh!tE' Venn Diagram.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 14, 2018, 09:54:07 pm
How does these signings fit in with “we only sign old or ex players on the hunt for one last pay day” narrative?

Asking for a friend.

No idea. Not my narrative.

It's fair to say the recruitment strategy is odd, and has lurched from one extreme to another since the Shipping Magnate took over. First it was young players and long term development; then we ditched that and went for established players in the later stages of their careers; and now it is expensive european starlets who are no doubt sh!t hot talents but may or may not produce the goods over the whole season. All of that, in the space of one football year.

The strategy is not apparent, and the approach seems mercurial. These two  boys on their own won't be enough and so if we are going for broke, two or three more similar will have to follow.

Who knows what they are up to? I don't have much confidence in it, because this club has lurched from one thing to another for years, and this lot haven't proved themselves, to date, to be any better,
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on June 14, 2018, 09:57:15 pm
But...but... SHINY!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 14, 2018, 09:59:54 pm
This was well before fans suspected Fawaz was a liability and a dingbat.

Utter balls. As soon as Fawaz, with his apparent riches, wot no one had heard of, appeared on the scene, plenty of peopke on here said that this looked like another Munto Finance with bells on. Why on earth would a supposed Kuwaiti billionaire family, who were serious, be interested in Nottingham Forest? And they had quite a lot of money, but no idea how to spend it.

It was always something that looked too good to be true, and turned out to be. Anyone with half a brain could spot it a mile away, and plenty of us did. Get away with your man in a caravan.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 14, 2018, 10:00:26 pm
But...but... SHINY!

They are very pretty, it's true.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: des on June 14, 2018, 10:11:45 pm
Trying to separate the rational, 'probably not a sensible strategy for the club to be following' for the, 'f*ck it, next season might be fun'.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on June 14, 2018, 10:18:56 pm
YAMAICM£5
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 14, 2018, 11:52:11 pm
Trying to separate the rational, 'probably not a sensible strategy for the club to be following' for the, 'f*ck it, next season might be fun'.

I can't do that anymore. I can see how you might get to that dilemma but every disappointing* season after season rules it out for me.


*As in a wasted oppprtunity, no progress, just more personnel churn at the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on June 15, 2018, 12:10:48 am
Utter balls. As soon as Fawaz, with his apparent riches, wot no one had heard of, appeared on the scene, plenty of peopke on here said that this looked like another Munto Finance with bells on. Why on earth would a supposed Kuwaiti billionaire family, who were serious, be interested in Nottingham Forest? And they had quite a lot of money, but no idea how to spend it.

It was always something that looked too good to be true, and turned out to be. Anyone with half a brain could spot it a mile away, and plenty of us did. Get away with your man in a caravan.

Hmm.. my recollection of the Talkback hive mood was more of cautious optimisim at first.. they seemed to have handled the takeover itself quite well, Abdulaziz spoke well and had his head screwed on etc. Fawaz was identified as a bit of a loon.. but he wasn't going to be in charge so that was maybe ok.

They then appointed SoD, instead of a 'big name' because the players said that was a good idea. Which it was. There were obvious admin issues back in the office, which were of concern, but nothing too alarming.

One day we stuffed Leeds and everything seemed great. And then it wasn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 15, 2018, 12:18:05 am
Hmm.. my recollection of the Talkback hive mood was more of cautious optimisim at first.. they seemed to have handled the takeover itself quite well, Abdulaziz spoke well and had his head screwed on etc. Fawaz was identified as a bit of a loon.. but he wasn't going to be in charge so that was maybe ok.

They then appointed SoD, instead of a 'big name' because the players said that was a good idea. Which it was. There were obvious admin issues back in the office, which were of concern, but nothing too alarming.

One day we stuffed Leeds and everything seemed great. And then it wasn't.



Not what I remember. Sure, no one was saying he was obviously a crook or a charlatan, but there was plenty of noise - me included - suggesting that it was all a bit strange, and hard to rationalise. And then odd things began to emerge from the club, like useful people being sacked, and plenty of hubris amongst the new owners, and you could see we weren't entering into a period of stability.

Go back and check the posts (I'm sure you can't be f*cked, and neither can I).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on June 15, 2018, 01:59:24 am
Go back and check the posts (I'm sure you can't be f*cked, and neither can I).

Certainly not. Chances are that you remember it how you saw it, I remember it how I saw it, and at least one of us mistakenly thinks everyone else agreed with us.

The first utterance of 'goggle-eyed loon' would, at least, put Twikky's stance on a solid timeline.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 15, 2018, 03:59:14 am
There was plenty of folk lauding Fawaz JP. i certainly don't recall any voice of dissent from you. I posted very early that the City brokers were putting it about that Fawaz didn't have the money he boasted about. I also recall I predicted SOD was going as he wasn't allowed to select players he wanted. I got that virtually from the horse's mouth. SODS old kitman and friend goes to the same gym as me. For the record I was happy with SOD but it was obvious Fawaz wasn't happy with anyone who questioned him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 15, 2018, 04:09:50 am
I really don't know what to make of the signings, it's a huge gamble and a massive change in direction for Kranky who has always been very defensive in his style. Part of me thinks go for it, this may work. The negative side thinks David Platt. Whatever it sounds like an interesting season and for the first time in long while I'm actually looking forward to seeing games. I have reservations about the size of the squad, I have no idea how we will reduce it if players don't want to go or nobody wants them.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 15, 2018, 07:15:58 am
There was plenty of folk lauding Fawaz JP. i certainly don't recall any voice of dissent from you. I posted very early that the City brokers were putting it about that Fawaz didn't have the money he boasted about. I also recall I predicted SOD was going as he wasn't allowed to select players he wanted. I got that virtually from the horse's mouth. SODS old kitman and friend goes to the same gym as me. For the record I was happy with SOD but it was obvious Fawaz wasn't happy with anyone who questioned him.

The original Skegness caravan story is on this page: https://talkback.trentend.co.uk/index.php?topic=1062.900

The idea that, in October 2016, thinking Fawaz was a bit iffy was in any way out of the ordinary is beyond mental.

He also told you that Montanier would be gone by the end of that October and he wasn't but, somehow, he remains insightful. This is exactly how mediums and fortune tellers work. You've remembered the bits that were true, forgotten the bits that weren't and misremembered when it happened (by several years).

I'm sure you'll claim there's an earlier post and the same guy was saying similar things back to 2012 but...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 15, 2018, 08:01:56 am
Obviously don't know anything about the players, so it's hard to say.

Looking on youtube,, Carvhalho looks like a skilful, goalscoring number 10. Like a upgraded cross between Radi and Dowell. Not sure it would be my top priority to spend (up to) £13m. You wonder how much we are going to spend on a striker.

Goncalves looks like more of a winger.

Hope they are quick and strong but there's not a huge amount of evidence there.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 15, 2018, 08:28:41 am
The original Skegness caravan story is on this page: https://talkback.trentend.co.uk/index.php?topic=1062.900

The idea that, in October 2016, thinking Fawaz was a bit iffy was in any way out of the ordinary is beyond mental.

He also told you that Montanier would be gone by the end of that October and he wasn't but, somehow, he remains insightful. This is exactly how mediums and fortune tellers work. You've remembered the bits that were true, forgotten the bits that weren't and misremembered when it happened (by several years).

I'm sure you'll claim there's an earlier post and the same guy was saying similar things back to 2012 but...
My original post about Fawaz was well earlier. Only weeks into his arrival.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 15, 2018, 08:33:06 am
My original post about Fawaz was well earlier. Only weeks into his arrival.

Maybe. But you're negative about everything, so whenever a player/owner/manager doesn't work out you can say "told you so". That hardly makes you Nostrodamus.

But. what is for certain is that this:
well Russ that Skegness business man was on the money about Fawaz. Totally right with his comments as all he predicted happened..Fawaz turned out to be a right tw@t who was certainly causing the club embarrassment.

is bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 15, 2018, 08:38:46 am
Not being ITK with the kitman like Donny, I was optimistic about the al Hazawis until they started doing and saying stupid things. My recollection is that they started saying stupid things pretty early on (like "third star on the badge".) Wasn't their search for an "iconic" manager (Warnock and McCarthy were mentioned) stymied by rumours that Fawaz wanted to pick the team? And then the farce around O'Driscoll's sacking and McLeish/George Boyd sealed the deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 15, 2018, 08:59:18 am
My original post about Fawaz was well earlier. Only weeks into his arrival.

You also thought Megson was going to be our saviour, so you've also been very wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 15, 2018, 09:11:38 am
You also thought Megson was going to be our saviour, so you've also been very wrong.
I was. Fair play. I don't see many others admitting being wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 15, 2018, 09:17:18 am
I thought Montannier knew what he was doing.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 15, 2018, 09:21:30 am
Very exciting signings and I’m looking forward to seeing some quality rather than the usual dross.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 15, 2018, 09:40:41 am
I thought Montannier knew what he was doing.

I thought McLaren was a great appointment and exactly the right man to take the next step.

Doubts when he started signing players and missing pre-season to beg Guy Moussi to resign and then we started playing games...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 15, 2018, 10:23:21 am
Donny appears to have had only four hours sleep at most, posting at 4.09 and then again at about 8.30. It could explain a lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 15, 2018, 10:26:58 am
I think Tricky is a bit bored.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 15, 2018, 10:30:17 am
Donny appears to have had only four hours sleep at most, posting at 4.09 and then again at about 8.30. It could explain a lot.
Donny is at work postponed my resignation by two weeks. Almost finished here for good. I agreed to stay on due to staff shortages as that's the kind of guy I am.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on June 15, 2018, 10:34:20 am
I'm looking forward to seeing these new guys play whilst at the same time hoping someone has a plan for if we don't actually get promoted in the next 2 years. I want to believe in the new people and that they are here for the long term but can't really see Marinakis being excited about reorganising a second tier club after it has missed out on promotion and failed FFP. Likewise all the staff he's appointed. This is the big problem ultimately, we need to take a longer view and sort the club out properly but no one is going to come in to spend millions of their own pounds doing that. If this punt doesn't work we'll probably be looking for someone new to try it all again.

Having said that I do hope this punt works, I have enough going on with the club at the moment to muster the energy to get on board for it, but if we are back to square one in a year or two's time, which there is a reasonable chance we will be, then can I really do it again? Let's face it this is not the first time I've reached this stage so maybe I will, but there is a funny mix of factors at the moment that probably won't be in play in two year's time. For now, I'm back on the train... choo, choo!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 15, 2018, 11:04:28 am
Almost finished here for good. I agreed to stay on due to staff shortages as that's the kind of guy I am.

Are you still talking about work, or about Talkback?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 15, 2018, 12:07:12 pm
I have concerns.  I'd love to feel that all was sweetness and light, and we were on the right track...but goddamit I can't shake the voices in my head.

There are those who are keen to highlight the general activity of club officials (which is undoubtedly positive in some fan facing aspects of club-building), and the appointment of a couple of competent individuals, and imply a better club based structure.

I think this is a stretch. It doesn't look like that to me. Firstly, you don't get a club structure overnight. You work to put in place people and processes, and refine a working practice over time. Of course you can do this across a number of required activities in short timescales (recruitment, scouting, sports science, development, analysis) but it tends to leave a footprint that is visible to a tracker, and is a massive amount of work in the sort of time we have been postulated to have moved down this path.  We haven't. There isn't the heat signature around the club of this sort of activity.

What we have seen is Aitor Karanka (a Jorge Mendes client) come in, despite a reputation as a somewhat tedious coach/manager. We have seen some pretty uninspired early signings (from a scouting, recruitment, value, perspective - a bunch of us here could have identified those sorts of players and secured them at that sort of cost). Now we are starting to see some high prices paid for some (undoubetedly talented, blah, blah blah) players unproven in English football, who are (I believe) Mendes clients also. To those who observe such things, this should not be a major surprise. It should also not be considered to be a coincidence.

It is not unusual for super-agent Mendes to be linked with clubs in this way, acting almost as a de-facto replacement for in-house expertise. Excuse me a slight diversion, briefly.  Besiktas (Turkish big club) had an owner with an alleged relationship to Mendes. 

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Yes, we are talking about the boss, chairman Yıldırım Demirören[1], who invested more than 103 million Turkish Liras and had the club indebted to himself. The boss, who formed a club full of Portuguese players thanks to his purported business partnership with player agent Jorge Mendes.
While the coach was incarcerated pending match fixing allegations, Carlos Carvalhal was brought in to coach the club (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/whats-eating-mr-carvalhal-15960). Carlos Carvalhal is portuguese (like such notable figures as Mourinho[2], Krankar, Nuno Espírito Santo and Mendes). Carvalhal, you may remember, was appointed by Swansea to avoid relegation. What you may not remember was that this was also accompanied by Jorge Mendes being acknowledged as the architect of their emergency january spending to evade relegation (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/19/swansea-turn-jorge-mendes-help-transfer-window-signings/). Carvalhal coached some early successes, but the steam went out of it, and the window was not a successful one to boost their chances. Swansea were relegated, Carvalhal sacked, and it does not appear that Jorge Mendes is playing any significant role in Swansea and their recruitment at this time.

Of course people may point, quite reasonably, to the success achieved at Wolves, under a similar model - but the relationship and outcomes at wolves are not without difficulty. They spent a lot of money, and would be in real trouble if they hadn't got promoted. They may be in some trouble as it is (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/17/wolves-link-jorge-mendes-agent-premier-league-scrutiny).

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The FA rules on clubs’ relationships with agents, now called “intermediaries”, aimed at guarding against conflicts of interest, prohibit owners also owning a stake or having an interest in an agency. Similarly agents are prohibited from having “a material influence” over the affairs of a club.

Last summer Wolves confirmed that the club’s owner since July 2016, the Chinese conglomerate Fosun, does own a stake in Mendes’s company, Gestifute. “Fosun have a percentage stake in the Gestifute company headed up by Jorge Mendes,” the club said.

That would appear to put Wolves in breach of the FA’s regulation, which states that: “[An] entity with an interest in a club shall not have any interest in the business or affairs of an intermediary or an intermediary’s organisation.”
...but we all know that governance over football is at the absolute excrement level. They'll probably get away with some paltry fine, for effectively cheating and gaining a competitive advantage over every club in the championship last season.

It just nags at me...it all nags.  I look at things, and I'm just not seeing the same things that other people are seeing.  I'm seeing a pattern of large scale transfer movement.  I'm seeing a pattern in appointments and influence, and links between individuals both directly, and indirectly, linked to that club. I'm not seeing any particular evidence that it makes direct sense in terms of profile of players (and their likely usefulness) to position and spending power of the club. You all seem to be seeing 'shiny', and I'm seeing the movement of money in historically established ways, that have regularly been the subject of scutiny in every jurisdiction.

Itch, itch, itch....i want to be a thick football fan, and enjoy the glorious triumph of our new world beaters, in the fabulous Garibaldi...but that b@stard nagging in my head just makes me keep seeing carlos f*cking kickaball in a w@nky collared shirt with tape on the hems.

I reckon I'm mentally ill, because nobody else seems to see this sh!t. Am I imagining it?
Under his time in charge of the club he was investigated for tax fraud, the coach was charged with match fixing. He is now head of the Turkish Football Federation.
In December 2016, leaked documents suggested that Mendes was involved in a massive tax avoidance scheme with both Mourinho and Ronaldo accused of not paying taxes by using offshore accounts.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 15, 2018, 12:16:09 pm
Well Tricky I think you have every right to be cautious, especially over Krankys signings. His record so far hasn't been great. I can't say I thought too much of the January signings and they certainly didn't add to results. The revolution is happening though and it might not have a pretty end. We just have to join in and see what happens.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on June 15, 2018, 12:28:24 pm
Everything you say tricky is spot on. I think we are a product of environment and there is an inevitability about what we are doing. I don't know where we go though, I have argued this with people at the club now, as you have done before, and there is no traction, a belief that there is no other way. People say we are a special club and in that way we are, too big to do what we need to but too small to do it the way we are doing. I don't know if I have the energy to keep pushing against it though, it's not much fun and it doesn't seem to change anything.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 15, 2018, 12:57:20 pm
No, I don't think you are going mad, Trickster. I'm not in a position to say that your various misgivings are well-founded or not, but you present them persuasively.

I didn't realise Karnackers was a Mendes client. That makes me worried about the sort of players we might sign.

My general caution about the club is based mainly on:
- the total change of direction when they fired Warburton (whether or not he was doing well at the time of departure, the club said he was the right fit and would be given time)
- the sizeable player turnover already
- the way the owner behaves, in public, in relation to Olympiacos; it would be illogical to think that he is going to chuck a load of money at Forest but be patient and not get involved in football affairs, given how he acts in greek football.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 15, 2018, 01:53:35 pm
Of course caution is sensible. It could all go tits up as it has in the past, and if it does we'll be in the poo. But f*ck it, I'm on board for now and optimism is a lot more fun. I've watched Forest for more than 50 years, most of the time through closed fingers, and I don't have the patience to give it a few seasons now. sh!t or bust is the way to go. Roll on the start of the season. Choo choo!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 15, 2018, 01:56:16 pm
Multi-million European starlets vs watching us try and turn Jason Cummings into something resembling a footballer? No brainer for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 15, 2018, 02:00:02 pm
My general caution about the club is based mainly on:
- the total change of direction when they fired Warburton (whether or not he was doing well at the time of departure, the club said he was the right fit and would be given time)
- the sizeable player turnover already
- the way the owner behaves, in public, in relation to Olympiacos; it would be illogical to think that he is going to chuck a load of money at Forest but be patient and not get involved in football affairs, given how he acts in greek football.

I am concerned about these things too. I was really trying to pick one specific aspect of the clubs operation, and explain why it reads in a particular way to me, given the context of other things that look like it. I wanted to do a bit more detail about one thing, rather than just saying the overview thing that people don't really get a handle on.

I don't know if I have the energy to keep pushing against it though, it's not much fun and it doesn't seem to change anything.

This is where i got to a few years ago. In many respects the advent of the utter obvious f*ckwittery of the Fawaz era was a relief. All the people at the club I had a connection with left, or died. There was no route towards influencing the club, no staff.  I did have a drink with Fawaz's driver/advisor once. f*cking hell. He really, honestly, knew less than nothing about football. If that's possible.

So given that it was clear the club was never going to do anything sensible, or even competent, it was really easy to let go.  Compared to that, this is most excellent....but step back as I have, and in absolute terms this is absolutely nothing like good. It's generic non-strategic football club running in championship manager mode, hoping for the best (mostly that's not what happens).

I am not going to give to it with all my heart, because i know the pain of loss.

Multi-million European starlets vs watching us try and turn Jason Cummings into something resembling a footballer? No brainer for me.
...and unfortunately the fact that there is substantially more of this sort of simplistic idiot fan, who will put their money where their mouth is, repeatedly in a sort of weird celebration of groundhog day, is what allows 'the game' to be the business it is.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 15, 2018, 02:34:02 pm
...and unfortunately the fact that there is substantially more of this sort of simplistic idiot fan, who will put their money where their mouth is, repeatedly in a sort of weird celebration of groundhog day, is what allows 'the game' to be the business it is.

You say "simplistic idiot fan", I say "football fan". I watch football for fun, and the sort of sh!t produced by both managers for most of last season doesn't come close to qualifying under that label. It's not that I'm unaware that all the numbers have to somehow add up in the end, I just don't care to worry about it. If you get your rocks off from worrying about balance sheets and long term financial projections then you knock yourself out, but the fact that I choose to trust that the guys running the club know what they're doing when it comes to that and focus instead on the overpaid men kicking the bag of wind around doesn't make me simplistic any more than it makes you enlightened.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 15, 2018, 02:35:41 pm
....the fact that I choose to trust that the guys running the club know what they're doing when it comes to that and focus instead on the overpaid men kicking the bag of wind around doesn't make me simplistic....
You see, that would pretty much be my definition of simplistic.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 15, 2018, 02:38:14 pm
You see, that would pretty much be my definition of simplistic.

I know how the plumbing in my house works and recognise the importance of it continuing to do so, but I pay a plumber to deal with it. That's because worrying about my plumbing isn't interesting, and I have better things to do with my time.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 15, 2018, 02:45:50 pm
That's fine. Let's hope it's a plumber, and not a pyrotechnician. Perhaps there could be some sort of oversight and monitoring, from interested bodies (like a trade association, say), and a level of public accountability, so that you can continue to enjoy having your plumbing done without turning your house into a burning swimming pool?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 15, 2018, 03:03:25 pm
a burning swimming pool?

I like the sound of this. Where do I get me one?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 15, 2018, 03:09:57 pm
That's fine. Let's hope it's a plumber, and not a pyrotechnician. Perhaps there could be some sort of oversight and monitoring, from interested bodies (like a trade association, say), and a level of public accountability, so that you can continue to enjoy having your plumbing done without turning your house into a burning swimming pool?

Sure, but I'm not interested in understanding or contributing to the association's rules and policies, I just need to know that there is some form of certification and that my guy has passed it. Just like the Football League does, in fact.

Once that's done, get on with running the club and give me good stuff to watch. Like, say, exciting young European starlets. You can call it simplistic if you like, but I think you've perhaps forgotten the point of why we do this in the first place. It's just football.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 15, 2018, 03:13:33 pm
Not really. I would argue that you've forgotten that other people might look for, or see things, differently to you.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 15, 2018, 03:16:35 pm
I don't understand the unbridled optimism over the signing of 2 decent (?) U21 players, one for a £13m fee.

Oliver Burke was worth around £13M. Britt Assombolonga was worth around £13M. Good players, both, but not game-changers to the prospects of the team. (How much would Kieran Dowell be worth if we'd tried to buy him last summer?)

The local and social media reaction to this seems to be that these signings means we are "doing a Wolves." They don't even suggest to me we are doing a Middlesbrough. (Boro spent £50M on transfer fees last season...)

Here's Colin Fray on Facebook
Quote
For me, the important things about these signings are the message it sends out. First, it answers the questions that fans have been asking since Evangelos Marikanis took over which is, "How much money is he prepared to spend to really have a go at bankrolling the club into the Premier League?" Well, a deal this size at Championship level suggests he's very serious about getting Forest into the top league. And second thing is that he's also serious about having it happen this season. He's not prepared, it seems, to have another season of Championship consolidation. Instead, they're prepared to have right go, spending the kind of money that Wolves did last year and we all saw the benefits that Wolves got from that last season and they'll be playing in the Premier League next season."
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 15, 2018, 03:18:50 pm
Not really. I would argue that you've forgotten that other people might look for, or see things, differently to you.

I haven't forgotten that. I don't really mind what you get out of football, or how you get it. I do object to being accused of being simplistic because the primary attraction for me is the football.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 15, 2018, 03:21:23 pm
....Here's Colin Fray on Facebook
Colin Fray says (paraphrased):

Quote
Yep, it's definitely sh!t or bust.

Really tediously predictable, in the what, and the how, we are doing it. I know, and you all know, because we said, didn't we?

I haven't forgotten that. I don't really mind what you get out of football, or how you get it. I do object to being accused of being simplistic because the primary attraction for me is the football.
"The football", all aspects of it? ...or just the bits that you have decided you are interested in, and thus have simplistically surmised constitute "all of football"?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 15, 2018, 03:42:13 pm
"The football", all aspects of it? ...or just the bits that you have decided you are interested in, and thus have simplistically surmised constitute "all of football"?

The football. 11 men kicking a ball around with the intent of putting it in the goal more times than the opposition. That is all of football.

I am done giving a shiny sh!t about whether we have enough local businesses paying enough money to sit in expensive seats to watch, or whether a bloke in a boardroom in London might in three years decide that we didn't. I am very much over trying to content myself with the idea that the 11 utter f*cking scrubs wearing Forest shirts are doing so because it means our balance sheet looks nice, and telling myself that this is a long game in which they'll somehow perhaps at some point in the future deny everything that we know to be true about football and will instead blossom into some kind of silky footballing unit held together by Corinthian principles, team bonds and a deep seated love for the city and club.

Give me mercenaries, give me good ones, and give me a team that looks like it actually really wants to have a proper f*cking go at getting promoted. Aspiring to mediocrity in the name of stable finances is the best way to destroy a football club, because no one wants to watch that and if no ones's watching then no one is paying and you're into a death spiral.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 15, 2018, 03:45:10 pm
I don't understand the unbridled optimism over the signing of 2 decent (?) U21 players, one for a £13m fee.

Oliver Burke was worth around £13M. Britt Assombolonga was worth around £13M. Good players, both, but not game-changers to the prospects of the team.

I don't think the optimism revolves around these two lads being able to beat the league on their own as clearly they wouldn't be able to, but it's that if this is a measure of how serious the club are willing to bankroll the team and by all accounts there are more players coming in (albeit perhaps not at this level of outlay) then it could be a genuinely exciting build up to the season.

I'm not sure I get the griping over this deal. It's spread over a long (5yr) contract, he is a young player which many observers say has the potential to be a world class player and some reports indicate he isn't on that high a salary.

And there are far more outgoings and incomings left to happen.

Why not feel a tinge of excitement?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 15, 2018, 04:05:34 pm
It would make little sense to splash £13million and not go for promotion. Anything less than £50million spent now would be unexpected.

The only alternative to sh!t or bust I can see is we've just spent the Ben Osborn cash.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 15, 2018, 04:07:14 pm
Why not feel a tinge of excitement?

Exactly.

We tried the local owner type and that didn't work. We then had a nutter and that didn't work. We have been abysmal and at times an absolute embarrassment for 20 years.

What we have now is exciting.

We have an owner with a proven record of top level football club ownership and everything is coming together very nicely behind the scenes, from getting our old staff back who jumped to Notts under Fawaz, getting football people like Jonny Owen involved and getting the backroom team on the playing side up to scratch by attracting well thought of coaches and doctors from other respected clubs.

The club is doing great community work, it's great getting the ladies team integrated into the club and the PR is vastly improved.

The season ticket prices are superb and we have record breaking revenue from kit suppliers and sponsors.

Plans are being drawn up for a new stadium or a new main stand.

And we are buying in great talent but with a board and owner well aware of FFP.

I really can't see what there is to moan about. Do people want a committee back? I don't get the negativity. I get the sense of being cautious but if you cannot slightly enjoy what is going then I'd suggest that perhaps maybe Forest isn't for you anymore.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: karlmark on June 15, 2018, 04:11:40 pm

Why not feel a tinge of excitement?

Indeed. It's a little more interesting than recent years and at least there will be some new players to watch at the start of the season rather than worrying about who we can get on loan at the last minute. I find myself more towards the Russ camp than the Tricky/JP coalition on this one; I've long since given up on really caring whether the club is being run like a pantomime. I suppose when it truly has been run like a pantomime for a number of years you become somewhat desensitised. Wait; maybe that's what they want?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 15, 2018, 04:15:21 pm
I have the twinge too.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 15, 2018, 04:16:08 pm
I'm not sure I get the griping over this deal. It's spread over a long (5yr) contract, he is a young player which many observers say has the potential to be a world class player and some reports indicate he isn't on that high a salary.

Also, assuming that's in any way a realistic valuation, even if he does fail here we should be able to sell him on for a reasonably small loss. Burke did f*ck for Leipzig but still got sold on for about what they paid, presumably based on his previous reputation.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 15, 2018, 04:16:45 pm
I've long since given up on really caring whether the club is being run like a pantomime.

Oh no it isn't.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 15, 2018, 04:36:06 pm
Exactly.

We tried the local owner type and that didn't work. We then had a nutter and that didn't work. We have been abysmal and at times an absolute embarrassment for 20 years.

What we have now is exciting.

We have an owner with a proven record of top level football club ownership and everything is coming together very nicely behind the scenes, from getting our old staff back who jumped to Notts under Fawaz, getting football people like Jonny Owen involved and getting the backroom team on the playing side up to scratch by attracting well thought of coaches and doctors from other respected clubs.

The club is doing great community work, it's great getting the ladies team integrated into the club and the PR is vastly improved.

The season ticket prices are superb and we have record breaking revenue from kit suppliers and sponsors.

Plans are being drawn up for a new stadium or a new main stand.

And we are buying in great talent but with a board and owner well aware of FFP.

I really can't see what there is to moan about. Do people want a committee back? I don't get the negativity. I get the sense of being cautious but if you cannot slightly enjoy what is going then I'd suggest that perhaps maybe Forest isn't for you anymore.

This is a bit too much 'being distracted by shiny', to he honest. Oh look, a Welsh film maker who doesn't actually support this club is on the board. Well - whoopee. How about - 'what sort of team are they trying to assemble, and are their objectives and timeframe (crucially) realistic?' Because if they aren't, then it's probably another wasted season, perhaps another managerial change....and even worse, potentially, a club heavily indebted, with a owner who loses interest. Again. Let's remember the sh!t that Villa have got themselves into.

If they make good footballing decisions then great; I'll be all for that, even if we don't get the essential element of luck which every side which is promoted, gets.
At the moment, the jury is very much still out on the footballing side of this football club - and that's being charitable to the new owners, frankly.
We sign a couple of Oliver Burke types, for pretty decent sums of money, and suddenly everyone is feeling like this could be our season. Well, it might be. Hopefully it will. But don't get too excited just yet. Surely years of watching football has taught you that?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 15, 2018, 04:37:13 pm
The football. 11 men kicking a ball around with the intent of putting it in the goal more times than the opposition. That is all of football.

So to summarise: "give me a tap,  so I can get my hands wet. Do not concern me with the cost of my water bill.  I have no interest in whether i'm better if i have a water meter. Do not trouble me with the location of my stopcock. If the water runs out before I can have a bath because the tap is stuck,  I care not. Just get my hands wet now."

Which is fine. However it's simplistic,  and in no way the whole of water.  You are free to enjoy water on that level.  But it's not really your place to decide that its not for other people to enjoy water in other ways, perhaps they aspire to refine the quality so it might be drunk,  perhaps one day have a bath, maybe even have enough water to swim in it one day. It's to push the boundaries in this way that made water happen in the first place,  and without such thinking in the past you wouldn't have access to a tap today.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: karlmark on June 15, 2018, 05:03:41 pm
Tricky: making a splash with metaphors.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on June 15, 2018, 05:10:50 pm
I sort of assumed we were a holding zone until (and if) they are ready for Olympiakos.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 15, 2018, 07:09:17 pm
I am one of nature's optimists, but I'm not feeling this summer yet. A £13M wonderkid no-one's ever seen in action, another on loan and Alan Hutton and Michael Dawson? I don't get what kind of team we're trying to be. Karanka hasn't sold me any vision of what Nottingham Forest might become, either in words or how he's set the team so far. All may be revealed when we spunk our next £30M, I guess...

Also, I'm grateful my season ticket spend this summer has been cut (actually, I've shelled out about the same, but it's allowed more people to come) but I'm not seeing this improvement behind the scenes yet, either, My match day experience has so far stayed the same. I'm more than happy to embrace Russ's dream of  better players playing better football - I just don't think we have evidence yet that this is what we're about to be treated to.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Rich B on June 15, 2018, 07:41:59 pm
Always try something radical and see what’s on the pitch first before all the doom and gloom
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 15, 2018, 07:54:26 pm
Yeah. Fair point. As long as everyone else sees what's on the pitch first before deciding we're going to win the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on June 15, 2018, 09:28:29 pm
I'm waiting for our Skeggy caravanner to share his views as surely he's the only one who knows whether they're any good or we're going to win the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 16, 2018, 10:40:19 am
I just don't think we have evidence yet that this is what we're about to be treated to.

None of us do, because the transfer business has only just started.

All I'm saying is that if the latest deal is a measure of the ambition, with most incoming players yet to be announced, you'd have to have a steel heart to not feel something stirring trentside.

Of course, always time to f*ck everything up, but that's the case at just about any time
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 16, 2018, 11:34:41 am
All I'm saying is that if the latest deal is a measure of the ambition...

Maybe it’s a brilliant masterstroke. Let’s hope so. Watford, Wolves and Leicester have shown how breaking the FFP rules can be a successful tactic. Maybe we’ll spend our way to the Premier League (we’ll need to spend a whole lot more, I’d think.)

But maybe ambition is not best measured on how much money you’re throwing at something.

Is sh!t or bust ambitious? Or dumb?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on June 16, 2018, 12:49:46 pm
It could be either depending on whether it works. History is written by the winners.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 16, 2018, 12:56:08 pm
you'd have to have a steel heart to not feel something stirring trentside.

Give over.

That sort of cliche is barely ever justified, but certainly not when a team has come to the end of a season of uninspiring football and has signed two untested youngsters from Portugal (however costly).

You might conceivably be entitled to trot out that sort of portentious guff when a club has signed half a dozen really decent players (for its level) and has achieved a handful of convincing victories at the start of the new season. But acquiring a couple of Portugal u-21s? Pffft.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 16, 2018, 11:16:15 pm
We are supposedly signing a number of players, and the first one is a highly rated young player from Benfica where the owner has agreed to break our transfer record for. Now, you may feel that the remaining transfers will all be 36yr old players from a crap league like league 2 or the SPL and not feel even a tinge of excitement, but I'd suggest you are in the minority. Whilst I suppose it's  possible we will not bring any more players of significant quality in, I'd say this signing shows massive intent and therefore I struggle to see how the actual process of seeing this pan out isn't pretty exciting.

I follow a football team because I want the team to win and achieve success. Bringing in (supposedly) really good players is clearly something that should, theoretically, increase the chance of that happening.

All this grumbling about money, or other musing on behind the scenes stuff is just noise really. I pay money for my season ticket, I drive to West Bridgford, park up and walk to the ground, possibly grabbing some food en route then I cheer the players out and hope they beat the opposition. That hasn't changed over multiple administrations and multiple on-field strategies and will continue whatever league we are in or whomever the players are. I'm just excited that we seem to have owners and a board with significantly more ambition than we are used to seeing.

I see no benefit to maintaining a miserable outlook at all costs. That certainly isn't why I follow Forest, football or any sport really.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 16, 2018, 11:20:26 pm
We are supposedly signing a number of players, and the first one is...

Erm, Michael Dawson?

Again, is sh!t or bust more ambitious when the Greek does it than when Fawaz did it?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on June 16, 2018, 11:45:00 pm
Weren't most of the players Fawaz signed sh!t AND bust?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 17, 2018, 12:43:20 am
Fawaz with the help of his college friend who owns a football club, I forget who,  spent all the money to no net gain.  He did this with a combination of manager and strategic churn, scattergun recruitment, and a complete absence of patience.

Luckily we now have a new owner, and although structural investment and recruitment has so far been as inconsistent as the strategy (to no quantifiable net gain),  the existence of an as yet unseen (at this level) shiny obviously means that we can put all of this behind us. Even though there does seem to still be patience issues.

It will be exciting.

Shiny!

Wibble.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 17, 2018, 07:35:12 am
We are supposedly signing a number of players, and the first one is a highly rated young player from Benfica where the owner has agreed to break our transfer record for. Now, you may feel that the remaining transfers will all be 36yr old players from a crap league like league 2 or the SPL and not feel even a tinge of excitement, but I'd suggest you are in the minority. Whilst I suppose it's  possible we will not bring any more players of significant quality in, I'd say this signing shows massive intent and therefore I struggle to see how the actual process of seeing this pan out isn't pretty exciting.


My point is pretty simple. Nothing has really happened yet to justify a feeling that this next season will be the one.

If we have a really shiny looking squad by the end of the summer, and it wins a few early games in convincing style, I'll be just as pleased as you, I promise.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 17, 2018, 03:13:06 pm
According to the Post we are interested in Lewis Grabban, Nelson Oliveira, Patrick Bamford and some Portuguese bloke. All strikers.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on June 17, 2018, 04:05:50 pm
Fcuk it.  With all our drug cash why not buy them all?

Thank God we are going all out to address our defensive issues!


Chicago:  All In for Keegan ball!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 17, 2018, 05:53:38 pm
According to the Post we are interested in Lewis Grabban, Nelson Oliveira, Patrick Bamford and some Portuguese bloke. All strikers.

Patrick Bamford. A player of some considerable talent, with many good years ahead of him, who would settle very easily at the club, and is probably top-end championship level but no more, and with no awful long term injury record. Now that, along with the two we have already signed, would be appealing, assuming the price wasn't mental.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: The GasMan on June 17, 2018, 06:38:52 pm
After the treatment Forest fans dished out to his GodFather, Nigel Dowty, before his early death, I would suspect that Forest is the very last club this bloke would want to join. I don't blame him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 17, 2018, 06:59:51 pm
After the treatment Forest fans dished out to his GodFather, Nigel Dowty, before his early death, I would suspect that Forest is the very last club this bloke would want to join. I don't blame him.
Football fans are often arseholes, and every club has them. Generally professionals console themselves with the size of their pay packet.  As ever, this will be the deciding factor.

Note, on a similar, but related matter, that Peterborough are still keen to do deals with us, after a previous bad experience....because....money.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 18, 2018, 05:21:41 pm
After the treatment Forest fans dished out to his GodFather, Nigel Dowty, before his early death, I would suspect that Forest is the very last club this bloke would want to join. I don't blame him.

Doughty's daughter seems to have retained an affection for the club, so not sure why his godson would bear a significant grudge
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on June 18, 2018, 06:02:05 pm
I would take Bamford.  If he came with Grabban too then I would be happy.   Olive (Basil) is talented but apparently quite mardy.   I think Soudani is coming but is he a winger?

It will probably nobody has ever heard of.  Hopefully not that Portuguese Bloke who is permanently injured.


Chicago:  Up front about the strikers.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 19, 2018, 11:54:32 am
Bouchalakis pictured training at Olympiacos. Might just be keeping fit or, more likely, on his way to Greece. Hard to see him playing much of role next season and, if he leaves, will be safely filed in the "not too bad, not that great, thanks for the spectacular goals" file right next to Gary Gardner.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 19, 2018, 12:11:37 pm
Bouchalakis pictured training at Olympiacos. Might just be keeping fit or, more likely, on his way to Greece. Hard to see him playing much of role next season and, if he leaves, will be safely filed in the "not too bad, not that great, thanks for the spectacular goals" file right next to Gary Gardner.

...and Guedioura.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 19, 2018, 01:08:44 pm
Bouchalakis pictured training at Olympiacos. Might just be keeping fit or, more likely, on his way to Greece. Hard to see him playing much of role next season and, if he leaves, will be safely filed in the "not too bad, not that great, thanks for the spectacular goals" file right next to Gary Gardner.
I liked him.  Could kick (couldn't run). I believe he has a girlfriend from nottingham, and there was even crazy talk at one time he'd be prepared to go to Notts to stay around these parts.

Don't think he fully understood the pay structure in the lower leagues.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on June 19, 2018, 03:59:54 pm
Aren’t you talking about Hilda rather than Bouch?

I liked hilda.  Mad as a bunch of kippers but provided entertainment in an otherwise drab season.


Chicago:  Bird magnet.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 19, 2018, 04:01:32 pm
No Hilda could run, couldn't kick.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on June 19, 2018, 04:06:40 pm
Can we breed them?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 19, 2018, 04:08:53 pm
No Hilda could run, couldn't kick.

Nonsense, he was fantastic at kicking other players.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 21, 2018, 07:10:01 am
That nice Jorge Mendes is apparently helping us buy this fellow.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nikola-vukcevic/profil/spieler/151470
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 21, 2018, 09:39:37 am
That nice Jorge Mendes is apparently helping us buy this fellow.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nikola-vukcevic/profil/spieler/151470

Alternative to Colback, I presume.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 21, 2018, 09:48:29 am
Alternative to Colback, I presume.
Goalkeeper
Dawson
4 defensive midfielders
4 attacking midfielders
Striker

It's the future.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on June 22, 2018, 11:06:31 am
Lichaj to Hull confirmed. Mixed feelings about this.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on June 22, 2018, 11:09:42 am
Booooooooooo
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 22, 2018, 11:16:46 am
Wonder if there is a "donnygold" (or what ever colour they play in) being enraged on a forum somewhere about some old defender coming to Hull for one last pay day?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 22, 2018, 11:52:32 am
Wonder if there is a "donnygold" (or what ever colour they play in) being enraged on a forum somewhere about some old defender coming to Hull for one last pay day?

He's not even thirty.

I'm certainly looking forward to donnyred's explosion when Lichaj comes back in three years time.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on June 22, 2018, 12:25:52 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkUrceqFZiz/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=oygx99hoieey
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 22, 2018, 12:44:22 pm
£400k according to the local rag. Excellent bit of business





















for Hull.


What the f*ck?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 22, 2018, 12:46:09 pm
Don’t really get that transfer at all. We sell a decent right back for peanuts and Eric is joining a mess at Hull.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on June 22, 2018, 01:06:56 pm
Nor me. I assume there will an incoming RB from Portugal who is represented by Jorge Mendes
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 22, 2018, 01:22:03 pm
Maybe, maybe not. But there is a winger coming in from France, according to Percy on Twitter. Like Donny, I'm f*cking annoyed at all these old geezers we're signing.

John Percy

Verified account
 
@JPercyTelegraph
 49m49 minutes ago

Signing #4 of the summer for #nffc is close. Gil Bastiao Dias, 21, is set to sign on loan for the season (with option to buy) from Monaco. Understand the winger is having a medical later today and an announcement is likely in the next 48 hours
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 22, 2018, 01:23:08 pm
Eric clearly wasn't guaranteed a starting spot, so may well have asked or encouraged the move himself.

I like him a lot, but I would also imagine he would want to start week in week out.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 22, 2018, 01:24:09 pm
Another Portugese. Our superagent-ringmaster at work again...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 22, 2018, 01:39:17 pm
I suppose if we are signing players of that quality it may explain why we are letting the likes of Eric go.

Another youngster too.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on June 22, 2018, 01:50:39 pm
He has shades of Olly Burke but somehow I would actually prefer Olly Burke. 

Any defenders on the horizon?  I mean seriously ANY?



Chicago:  Defensive.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 22, 2018, 01:55:21 pm
He has shades of Olly Burke but somehow I would actually prefer Olly Burke. 

Any defenders on the horizon?  I mean seriously ANY?



Chicago:  Defensive.

We are going to play 3-7 so we'll only need 3 centre backs. Everyone else will attack.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on June 22, 2018, 02:33:23 pm
This is an interesting read about him, he comes across in there as a young lad who has been shipped around several clubs as Mendes tries to get him to have a big season that can earn some big cash for him. He's clearly a talent but maybe needs some realism about his likely impact as he adjusts to another new culture and club.

How do you solve a problem like Gil Dias? (http://This is an interesting read about him, he comes across in there as a young lad who has been shipped around several clubs as Mendes tries to get him to have a big season that can earn some big cash for him. He's clearly a talent but maybe needs some realism about his likely impact as he adjusts to another new culture and club.  https://www.violanation.com/2018/4/8/17212948/fiorentina-gil-dias-monaco-loan-buy-jorge-mendes-deal-agent-problem-end-early-return)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 22, 2018, 02:49:00 pm
This is an interesting read about him, he comes across in there as a young lad who has been shipped around several clubs as Mendes tries to get him to have a big season that can earn some big cash for him. He's clearly a talent but maybe needs some realism about his likely impact as he adjusts to another new culture and club.

How do you solve a problem like Gil Dias? (http://This is an interesting read about him, he comes across in there as a young lad who has been shipped around several clubs as Mendes tries to get him to have a big season that can earn some big cash for him. He's clearly a talent but maybe needs some realism about his likely impact as he adjusts to another new culture and club.  https://www.violanation.com/2018/4/8/17212948/fiorentina-gil-dias-monaco-loan-buy-jorge-mendes-deal-agent-problem-end-early-return)

Link doesn't work for me, steve.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on June 22, 2018, 02:58:12 pm
How do you solve a problem like Gil Dias?

Nobody seems sure what to do with the Portuguese winger, and it’s very frustrating.

Lost in the celebrations about the win at AS Roma yesterday is the painfully bad display from winger Gil Dias. Brought on to provide a spark on the counter with his pace and dribbling, he instead torpedoed a pair of very promising breaks within moments of each other by getting the ball stuck under his feet while completely unmarked; to add to the indignity, Giallorossi goalkeeper Alisson beat him with a Cruyff turn a few minutes after that.

Performances like this are, sadly, not exactly surprising for the Portuguese U21 international. He’s had a few bright moments in purple—goals in each match against Hellas Verona, a wonderful solo run culminating with a drive off the post that could have put the Viola into the lead against Juventus—but more often, he seems on a completely different page than the rest of the team. He tries to dribble through the heart of the defense when a simple pass would be smarter, and then passes backward when he should try beating his marker.

Since Stefano Pioli has banished him to the bench, Fiorentina have won 6 straight. Obviously, there are a multitude of factors at play here, but it’s a damning correlation. It’s a shame, too, as Dias should be just what Pioli wants in a winger: pacey, explosive, dangerous off the dribble, and willing to have a pop when necessary. Instead, he’s fallen behind the likes of Valentin Eysseric (himself nobody’s idea of a starting-quality winger) in the pecking order.

But anyone can have a down season, especially his first one at a new club. After all, the adjustment between the Liga NOS and Serie A is quite significant, and we’re talking about a 21-year-old in a new country, learning a new set of tactics in a new language from a new coach with new teammates. Of course there are going to be some struggles. But the unpredictability of those struggles, and their grounding in a basic misunderstanding of what he should be doing, don’t bode well for his future in Florence.

Of course, as a Jorge Mendes client, Gil Dias was never destined for Fiorentina. Mendes clients tend to end up playing for clubs which pay astronomical wages (of which the agent takes a considerable cut), and the Della Valles’ stinginess about wages is hardly a secret. The deal which brought Dias to Tuscany, though, was a 2-year loan with €2 million due to parent club AS Monaco this past summer and a buyout clause of €20 million due after next season. That was always going to be a bit rich for the DV’s blood, but Dias is suddenly in a tough place.


The reason for such a high fee is obvious: Mendes and Monaco wanted Dias to play for a respectable club in a respectable league, work his way into the manager’s plans, and strut his stuff so they could earn more money from selling him. By setting the length of the loan at two years, they were betting that Dias would make himself indispensable and that the big bids would come flying in.

Instead, the rise of more homegrown options like Simone Lo Faso (yes, I know he’s not a Viola product), Rafik Zekhnini (ditto), Riccardo Sottil, Gabriele Gori, Joshua Pérez, Josip Maganjić, and Simone Minelli mean that Dias could see his chances to feature in the first time dwindle away rapidly, especially if Diego Della Valle opens the purse strings this summer and buys a top-class attacker as he’s hinted he might.

With playing time hard to come by, it wouldn’t be shocking if Fiorentina and Monaco agreed to end Dias’ loan early and shuffle the player off to what would be his 6th senior club. You have to feel for the youngster a bit: he’s never stayed with a team long enough to really get his feet under him, and he’s certainly got no shortage of talent. But that’s not really Fiorentina’s problem. Rather, the Viola need to make sure that they’re getting value for the roster spot, and if this season is any indication, they return on this investment hasn’t been sufficient to justify it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 22, 2018, 02:58:31 pm
This is an interesting read about him, he comes across in there as a young lad who has been shipped around several clubs as Mendes tries to get him to have a big season that can earn some big cash for him. He's clearly a talent but maybe needs some realism about his likely impact as he adjusts to another new culture and club.

This is an interesting read about him, he comes across in there as a young lad who has been shipped around several clubs as Mendes tries to get him to have a big season that can earn some big cash for him. He's clearly a talent but maybe needs some realism about his likely impact as he adjusts to another new culture and club.  How do you solve a problem like Gil Dias? (https://www.violanation.com/2018/4/8/17212948/fiorentina-gil-dias-monaco-loan-buy-jorge-mendes-deal-agent-problem-end-early-return)

FTLFY Simon, and @charlie
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 22, 2018, 03:01:28 pm
Brexit happens before the end of the season. Are we going to be able to get work permits for all these immigrants?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 22, 2018, 04:21:20 pm
that may be a good case for getting them in now....
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 22, 2018, 06:09:59 pm
Max Clark goes to Vitesse Arnhem. So Donny can go from being furious about signing Hull's defence into being furious about missing out on a signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 22, 2018, 06:13:51 pm
Mendes clients tend to end up playing for clubs which pay astronomical wages (of which the agent takes a considerable cut), and the Della Valles’ stinginess about wages is hardly a secret.

Tricky and JP are going to have conniptions when they read this.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 22, 2018, 07:14:31 pm
Tricky and JP are going to have conniptions when they read this.

That, as you already know, is the point of agents like Mendes. He signs up the players, dubiously, then makes connections with club owners and managers to ship the players around Europe, taking a cut of their tranfer fees and wages in the process. Whether any given player is a good fit for a given club is by the by.

Nicholas Anelka's brother Claude wanted in on this game, although it was a weird choice to choose Raith Rovers as the vehicle for it. I don't know how he has fared since he left Fife.

That Israeli bloke is another one. He and his family are as shady as f*ck, being involved in arms trading, selling nuclear technoloy and so on around the world. I know for a fact that British and American intelligence keep close tabs on them because I know someone who used to be in that world.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 22, 2018, 07:15:03 pm
Tricky and JP are going to have conniptions when they read this.

It was 'rumoured' that the two Portuguese signings, including the megabucks one, are on relatively modest wages. So if true, perhaps that comment is just an assumption due to the agents status, whereas it seems likely that getting his players into 'platform' clubs to boost their potential value is the driving factor, and of course many of those clubs are also ones who you may assume would pay astronomical wages...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on June 22, 2018, 08:34:06 pm
I know for a fact that British and American intelligence keep close tabs on them because I know someone who used to be in that world.

Best example of ITK FACT ever cited on this board. Full stop.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 22, 2018, 09:02:13 pm
Maybe, but





*
** These claims are, honestly, completely true.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 22, 2018, 09:32:35 pm
Does he own any caravans in Skegness?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 22, 2018, 09:41:43 pm
I have to say that I think that signing a bunch of expensive foreign youngsters is a lot more exciting than signing a bunch of cheap Scottish youngsters. Hopefully they're better at kicking the ball in the net.

Did Darryl Murphy f*ck off yet?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 23, 2018, 01:08:34 am
Hopefully they're better at kicking the ball in the net.

This is the bit where I am most dubious.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on June 23, 2018, 01:10:05 am
Obviously he started f*cking off from the club a few weeks ago and has got as far as Ratcliffe Road (overtaking Per Mertesacker who is so slow he still hasn't got out of the car park after the FA Cup tie).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 23, 2018, 08:21:58 am
This is the bit where I am most dubious.

I’m fairly confident that two players who have come through at Benifica and play for Portugal u21s and that one player who is at Monaco and spent the season at Fiorentina and also plays for Portugal u21s are better than Jason Cummings.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on June 23, 2018, 12:37:13 pm
Ratcliffe Road


Behave.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on June 23, 2018, 12:41:45 pm
Punish me, big boy.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 23, 2018, 12:51:25 pm

BeRave.
FTFY
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: des on June 23, 2018, 08:01:29 pm
Portuguese winger signs (https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2018/june/dias-checks-in/)

...no, another one.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 23, 2018, 08:41:36 pm
Welcome Jill.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: des on June 23, 2018, 08:43:40 pm
I hope Ben Watson is getting fit over the summer; he's going to have a lot of people's tackling to do.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 23, 2018, 09:24:34 pm
I’m fairly confident that two players who have come through at Benifica and play for Portugal u21s and that one player who is at Monaco and spent the season at Fiorentina and also plays for Portugal u21s are better than Jason Cummings.

But will they be an upgrade on Barrie McKay?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 24, 2018, 12:19:55 am
But will they be an upgrade on Barrie McKay?

Yes.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 24, 2018, 08:48:49 am
Twitter says we have had a bid for Bamford - £8M - rejected.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 24, 2018, 10:54:40 am
A positive spin on Mendes (https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/jorge-mendes-helping-nottingham-forest-1708710)

which fails to answer the question in the title.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 24, 2018, 11:11:52 am
Is the answer "because he makes a lot of money from each deal"?

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 24, 2018, 11:43:41 am
I won't be happy until we have got past ten recruits this transfer window. Unless we have.  Then I'll find something else to be worried about. 

Apart from the completely predicted sh!t or bust and its likely long term impact on us, of course. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on June 25, 2018, 05:32:40 pm
Well hold on to your phone because it looks like we are landing Sam Byram from Wet Sham on loan and possibly Fabio from Boro (formerly of Man Utd).


Attacking backs?  I am wondering where this leaves Osborn and Cash.


Goodbye yoof.  sh!t or bust in full effect!


Chicago:  Bricking it!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on June 25, 2018, 07:54:18 pm
At least this way if we're not top 6 by Christmas he'll actually deserve the sack.

It is exciting and we are going to have a much better team but having a global super agent anoint clubs in the second division sits a little uncomfortably even when it's us.



Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 25, 2018, 08:13:29 pm
At least this way if we're not top 6 by Christmas he'll actually deserve the sack.

It is exciting and we are going to have a much better team but having a global super agent anoint clubs in the second division sits a little uncomfortably even when it's us.

I think it's a terrible blight on football except when it's us and then it's awesome. Mendes can't afford to fail either; the first time he pumps a club full of expensive international superstars and they fail to get promoted, his model is done.

BTW, I didn't see this video of Carvalho's highlights posted. Kid looks like a finisher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeYQs2S7Y1E&feature=youtu.be

(I suggest you watch on mute as the music is hideous.)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on June 25, 2018, 08:46:35 pm
I recall watching similar videos when we signed Stern John, Robbie Findley and Djamel Abdoun.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 25, 2018, 10:37:08 pm
And this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VC0skmjAME) looks awesome.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 25, 2018, 10:42:26 pm
Mendes can't afford to fail either; the first time he pumps a club full of expensive international superstars and they fail to get promoted, his model is done.

Not quite the same, but...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/19/swansea-turn-jorge-mendes-help-transfer-window-signings/
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 25, 2018, 10:46:00 pm
And this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VC0skmjAME) looks awesome.

A couple of belters and a lot of tap ins.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 25, 2018, 10:49:26 pm
Not quite the same, but...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/19/swansea-turn-jorge-mendes-help-transfer-window-signings/

Getting the Premier League's worst club off the bottom with half a season left is "not quite the same" as getting a middling Championship team ready for promotion with a full summer to prepare in the same way as making chicken cordon bleu with a camping stove and a hatchet is "not quite the same" as having full access to the kitchen at Les Quatre Saisons.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 25, 2018, 11:49:47 pm
Getting the Premier League's worst club off the bottom with half a season left is "not quite the same" as getting a middling Championship team ready for promotion with a full summer to prepare in the same way as making chicken cordon bleu with a camping stove and a hatchet is "not quite the same" as having full access to the kitchen at Les Quatre Saisons KFC, meadow lane branch.

FTFY
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on June 26, 2018, 08:09:31 am
Good KFC that is.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on June 26, 2018, 09:37:19 am
Good KFC that is.

Surely that is a redundant statement - all KFC's are good
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 26, 2018, 09:52:26 am
Getting the Premier League's worst club off the bottom with half a season left

I don't imagine Mendes' role was to "get the club off the bottom."
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 26, 2018, 10:01:52 am
Surely that is a redundant statement - all KFC's are good


I think some are better than others. This is mainly down to cleanliness and efficiency of staff.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 26, 2018, 10:27:03 am
Aren't all KFCs sh!t? I've had less than 5 in my life but I don't think I enjoyed any of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 26, 2018, 10:35:18 am
They seem like an excellent idea, and then once you have been through the experience you feel sick, and wish you hadn't done it.

Like forests current recruitment policy.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on June 26, 2018, 10:36:18 am
Aren't all KFCs sh!t? I've had less than 5 in my life but I don't think I enjoyed any of them.

This is precisely my experience of KFC.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on June 26, 2018, 11:19:30 am
I have one about every 6 months to remind myself I don't like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 26, 2018, 11:23:27 am
I like KFC, but I think it's the gravy that does it for me
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 26, 2018, 11:40:20 am
My Boro supporting mate thinks it's amusing we are being linked with so many Boro and ex Boro players. I personally am getting pissed off with being linked to every deadbeat that has ever wore a Boro shirt.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 26, 2018, 11:58:31 am
every manager gets linked with players at his previous club, especially when he was successful there

being linked with is not the same as actually making offers or signing players though
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 26, 2018, 11:59:41 am
Daft to argue, I know... but when at Boro, Karanka would have done his homework before bringing in the players who got them promoted. It makes perfect sense to me that those same players are going to be among the ones he thinks can do the job at Forest.

Potentially, and assuming we get a couple of full backs and strikers, we will have one hell of a squad. I fully understand the importance of the KFC debate and it's reassuring that Donny's so negative, but I don't get why there's so little excitement on here?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on June 26, 2018, 12:25:49 pm
Because we are all in the throes of a mid life crisis?

Well that's my excuse
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 26, 2018, 12:28:04 pm
That was my guess, too!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 26, 2018, 12:41:09 pm
....I don't get why there's so little excitement on here?
*SHINY!!!!*

My personal jury is out until there is evidence that the majority of the signings can adjust to, and find the level, playing in England....and play together....at the level required to make a genuine challenge, rather than just to be back in embargo in two years.

Personally I don't find it particularly exciting to watch my club play championship manager with unknown Carlos Kick-a-balls. I find it much more interesting to to see a range of players that I have a connection to and knowledge of, come together and develop as a team.

I accept this is not the predominant view, and that owners and fans alike do not share that interest. I accept that, and don't understand why the modern premature ejaculation style fan can't understand that some peoples interest is actual outcomes, not just *ungrounded optimism*, like a f*cking overexcited puppy.

If we get the sort of outcome that our spending demands then I will feel more relief than excitement. If we don't I shall be genuinely concerned for the future of our club. Do I enjoy watching a bunch of people that I suspect lack the necessary expertise spend a f*cktonne of money on old lags, and talented dishwashers from a kitchen brigade in the bright lights of Lisbon, that I've never heard of? Not particularly.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 26, 2018, 01:00:45 pm
Daft to argue, I know... but when at Boro, Karanka would have done his homework before bringing in the players who got them promoted. It makes perfect sense to me that those same players are going to be among the ones he thinks can do the job at Forest.

Potentially, and assuming we get a couple of full backs and strikers, we will have one hell of a squad. I fully understand the importance of the KFC debate and it's reassuring that Donny's so negative, but I don't get why there's so little excitement on here?

By my reckoning we've signed Dawson, Dias, Carvalho, Goncalves and made Figuerido permanent so far. Is that a massive upgrade on last season? The middle three clearly have potential and someone values them highly but they are, obviously, unproven in our league and it would be good return if two were regular starters over the season. I can't think of too many foreign players as young as them who've come here and been instant stars.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on June 26, 2018, 01:33:04 pm
Ronaldo, and he was Portuguese too - maybe we have three Ronaldo's?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 26, 2018, 02:54:53 pm
By my reckoning we've signed Dawson, Dias, Carvalho, Goncalves and made Figuerido permanent so far. Is that a massive upgrade on last season? The middle three clearly have potential and someone values them highly but they are, obviously, unproven in our league and it would be good return if two were regular starters over the season. I can't think of too many foreign players as young as them who've come here and been instant stars.

Some of the Wolves players last year?

And I'm guessing we are a long way from completing all our transfer business
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 26, 2018, 03:29:09 pm
Some of the Wolves players last year?

And I'm guessing we are a long way from completing all our transfer business

I thought the Wolves players were older but it seems that Neves and Jota were a similar age, so  better than I thought.

I'm sure there is more to come but Charlie was getting excited based on our current signings, which leaves us really unbalanced and mixed in terms of quality.

But I did say that as a mark of seriousness, we'd have to break our transfer record at least two or three times this summer, so to have done that in a single go with one player, I can't really argue with. (Even though I think it likely that the indications that's a maximum fee not what's already committed is highly likely).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 26, 2018, 04:01:43 pm
KFC is awful.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on June 26, 2018, 04:12:36 pm
For 6 quid it's basically there or Weatherspoon's breakfast.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on June 26, 2018, 04:15:01 pm

I'm sure there is more to come but Charlie was getting excited based on our current signings, which leaves us really unbalanced and mixed in terms of quality.



Just for the record, I actually said "Potentially, and assuming we get a couple of full backs and strikers, we will have one hell of a squad".
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 26, 2018, 04:18:29 pm
I pretty much never eat fast food - perhaps once or twice a year, at most - but when I do, KFC is one of the less objectionable offerings, I think. They do a spicy chicken sandwich which is edible.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on June 26, 2018, 04:26:53 pm
Fast food is like running.  It’s bad for you.




But if you like cancer....



Chicago:  Health nut.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on June 26, 2018, 04:35:53 pm
I don't mind the occasional KFC and take the Grandkids to Maccyds every so often. My Grandkids are good eaters and also love an Indian or an Italian meal.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 26, 2018, 05:28:47 pm
How good are Portugal U21s?

Are they better than England U21s?

Are we sure these players will make a greater impact than Kieran Dowell or Nathan Challobah?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 26, 2018, 05:45:38 pm
Are we sure these players will make a greater impact than Kieran Dowell or Nathan Challobah?
I'm sure our shiny new recruitment structure thinks so. So much more impact to count.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 26, 2018, 06:20:29 pm
Deals, Deals Deals!

(Muttley Crew).

www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-could-add-fourth-1718263

www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-closing-deal-striker-1718344
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JellyHead on June 26, 2018, 07:20:28 pm
KFC is awful.

Can he play left back and how old is he in may? We must know that before we can judge.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 26, 2018, 07:31:08 pm
How good are Portugal U21s?

Seeded second for the 2019 UEFA U21 Championship, behind Germany.

Quote
Are they better than England U21s?

They're seeded ahead of England, so yes. Although England are seeded third, so not leagues and leagues better.

Quote
Are we sure these players will make a greater impact than Kieran Dowell or Nathan Challobah?

No. Nothing in football is sure. We can hope. They might be the next Chuba Akpom or they might be the next John Terry.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on June 26, 2018, 08:34:09 pm
Can he play left back and how old is he in may? We must know that before we can judge.

Surely we just need to know how much he's worth before we can judge. £17 million, exciting. £3 Chicken Wrap, no ambition.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: The GasMan on June 27, 2018, 02:14:51 pm
I just hope these three turn out better than those three Italian w@nkers that Platty lumped onto us.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on June 27, 2018, 02:48:14 pm
Will that line ever get old? Oh yes, it did, about 20 minutes into that season.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 27, 2018, 10:41:23 pm
That Soudani striker from Zagreb will be signing on Friday if he passes his medical, it says here.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 27, 2018, 10:46:00 pm
That Soudani striker from Zagreb will be signing on Friday if he passes his medical, it says here.

Where?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on June 27, 2018, 11:11:02 pm
Interestingly, there has been no follow up in any of last seasons loan players who we were expected to move for. I'd have thought they would have been the first sign ups if they were coming
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on June 27, 2018, 11:15:42 pm
I think there needs to start to be some more movements out. So far it's four in, three first-teamers (and quite a few kids) out, leaving us still with a very bloated squad. I fear that come the last week of July we'll be paying off quite a few contracts.

Vellios has posted a picture of him driving toward City Ground today, so he's obviously not at St George's Park.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 27, 2018, 11:17:07 pm
Interestingly, there has been no follow up in any of last seasons loan players who we were expected to move for. I'd have thought they would have been the first sign ups if they were coming

We signed Figueiredo permanently.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 27, 2018, 11:37:05 pm
I think there needs to start to be some more movements out. So far it's four in, three first-teamers (and quite a few kids) out, leaving us still with a very bloated squad. I fear that come the last week of July we'll be paying off quite a few contracts......
There will obviously be some players out, but I thoroughly expect a big squad with lots of signings. Its the Kranky way.

I've got to be honest. You look at the recruitment and I've got no idea who will play or how we will set up. Apart from deep and *solid*.

We can presumably rest easy now we have a manager who can get the best out of a good squad, though.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 27, 2018, 11:38:30 pm
Where?

Paul Taylor on twitter I think. Or John Percy. One or other. They all look the same.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 27, 2018, 11:40:58 pm
Paul Taylor on twitter I think. Or John Percy. One or other. They all look the same.

Taylor is the one who knows stuff about Forest. Percy is the one who reads Twitter, posts stuff that other people have already tweeted and then claims it as insider knowledge.

Edit: just checked Twitter.

Quote
John Percy @JPercyTelegraph
 2h2 hours ago

#nffc are set to sign striker El Arbi Hillel Soudani, an Algerian international, after agreeing a deal with Dinamo Zagreb. Medical on Friday confirmed

Quote
Nottinghamshire Live Sport @nottslivesport
13h13 hours ago

Striker Soudani 'to have Nottingham Forest medical on Friday' #nffc
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on June 28, 2018, 03:31:44 am
He brings a very respectable scoring record. Modest in Portugal, excellent in Croatia. Dunno how well the quality in the latter stands up to the Championship. Can we, at least, assume that he's as good a bet as someone with that many goals in Scotland? 30 years old.

Sounds like a 'worth a shot' guy if the money isn't silly... but not someone you'd want to be hampering BB's development to accomodate.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 28, 2018, 05:33:34 am
I think there needs to start to be some more movements out. So far it's four in, three first-teamers (and quite a few kids) out, leaving us still with a very bloated squad. I fear that come the last week of July we'll be paying off quite a few contracts.

Vellios has posted a picture of him driving toward City Ground today, so he's obviously not at St George's Park.

Looks like Tyler has gone on loan to the Stags and, inexplicably, we want to loan, not sell, Jorge Grant again.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 28, 2018, 06:48:40 am
He brings a very respectable scoring record. Modest in Portugal, excellent in Croatia. Dunno how well the quality in the latter stands up to the Championship. Can we, at least, assume that he's as good a bet as someone with that many goals in Scotland? 30 years old.

Sounds like a 'worth a shot' guy if the money isn't silly... but not someone you'd want to be hampering BB's development to accomodate.

Brereton needs a veteran partner. Murphy is not a good choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on June 28, 2018, 07:45:39 am
Brereton needs a veteran partner. Murphy is not a good choice.

You're just biased against him because he's old and sh!t.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 28, 2018, 09:15:23 am
Brereton needs a veteran partner. Murphy is not a good choice.
He would also then need a team that plays with two strikers. Not likely in the modern game. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 29, 2018, 12:18:40 pm
Local rag says we could announce Soudini (Algerian striker/winger) and Jack Robinson (left back) today.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on June 29, 2018, 01:32:59 pm
/donny

Local rag knows nothing, they're just repeating stuff from Twitter!

/donny
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on June 29, 2018, 02:18:47 pm
And both players are sh!tE.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on June 29, 2018, 04:43:26 pm

Tyler confirmed to Stags for the season
(https://www.chad.co.uk/sport/football/stags-strengthen-attacking-options-with-triple-signing-1-9228743)
Nice line in it...
“Tyler’s loan transfer has come as a result of a new, special relationship with Nottingham Forest and their owners, who I thank for their characteristic professionalism. We have agreed to pay a contribution to the player’s wages and our ambition is to aid Tyler’s development while he plays a significant part in our season this term."
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on June 29, 2018, 05:10:25 pm
Tyler confirmed to Stags for the season
(https://www.chad.co.uk/sport/football/stags-strengthen-attacking-options-with-triple-signing-1-9228743)
Nice line in it...
“Tyler’s loan transfer has come as a result of a new, special relationship with Nottingham Forest and their owners, who I thank for their characteristic professionalism. We have agreed to pay a contribution to the player’s wages and our ambition is to aid Tyler’s development while he plays a significant part in our season this term."

In other news, the Notts chairman is complaining about no one answering the phone at Forest and when he popped round to knock on the door all the lights suddenly went off and he's sure someone was in but pretending not to be. Probably.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on June 29, 2018, 05:57:35 pm
In other news, the Notts chairman is complaining about no one answering the phone at Forest and when he popped round to knock on the door all the lights suddenly went off and he's sure someone was in but pretending not to be. Probably.
Did cross my mind that the "special relationship" was a bit of an up yours to Mr Hardy.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: des on June 29, 2018, 07:35:18 pm
Djebbour mk II Soudani signed.  Nixon suggesting Grabban is also getting closer.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on June 29, 2018, 07:46:26 pm
By the time we've tried all these players, to find our best team, we might well have nothing left to play for.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on June 29, 2018, 08:05:17 pm
Maybe they're all going to be immediately loaned to olympiakos, leaving us with Danny Murphy
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on June 30, 2018, 01:00:49 am
Soudani has 1.3m followers on Twitter. Any future signings should be aspiring to get this amount.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on June 30, 2018, 04:25:43 pm
We’ve signed a defender from qpr. Jack somebody. Don’t know how many twitter followers he has.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on June 30, 2018, 04:34:56 pm
Was highly thought of youngster at Liverpool. Had bad injury at QPR a couple of years ago but seems to be back on track starting 29 league games last season. Decent signing in a free I would think and still only 24.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on June 30, 2018, 04:46:38 pm
We’ve signed a defender from qpr. Jack somebody. Don’t know how many twitter followers he has.

Robertson?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on June 30, 2018, 06:30:00 pm
Reportedly a left back. Although the only run of games he's had in four years has been as a centre half. And we definitely need more of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on July 02, 2018, 09:12:38 pm
Bouch has tweeted or instagram or something about his departure.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 02, 2018, 09:41:22 pm
Lots of people think Pantamilion is about to sign. And Karanka has said 4 more - goalkeeper, full back, midfielder, striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on July 02, 2018, 09:57:03 pm
bring em on
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 02, 2018, 10:39:29 pm
Bouch has tweeted or instagram or something about his departure.

Not remotely bothered. Clearly has some footballing skills, and scored a couple of great goals for us, but his lack of mobility is a very hard thing to make up for in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 02, 2018, 11:04:36 pm
....ahem....cough...benwatsonmichaeldawson...cough.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 02, 2018, 11:14:20 pm
....ahem....cough...benwatsonmichaeldawson...cough.

I'm a little less concerned about the mobility of the guy who's anchoring the back three. Watson I'll grant you, although he's a rather different player to Bouchalakis; at the centre of five and playing a defensive midfield role, I think Watson is fine. The guys around him need to have legs though.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on July 03, 2018, 07:19:37 am
Its alright signing a shed load of players but there is very little movement out, I think correct me if I am wrong we have only got rid of three players so far. Still have at least eight players that will be unlikely to kick a ball in anger for us again.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 03, 2018, 09:10:57 am
Its alright signing a shed load of players but there is very little movement out, I think correct me if I am wrong we have only got rid of three players so far. Still have at least eight players that will be unlikely to kick a ball in anger for us again.

Depends how you look at it. Compared to the squad that finished last season, we no longer have Hobbs, Lichaj, Dowell, Colback, Dejagah or Vaughan (or Pantamilion but it looks like he'll be coming back).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: SWT on July 03, 2018, 09:26:41 am
Depends how you look at it. Compared to the squad that finished last season, we no longer have Hobbs, Lichaj, Dowell, Colback, Dejagah or Vaughan (or Pantamilion but it looks like he'll be coming back).

And Tomlin - any other loanees moved on?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on July 03, 2018, 09:45:01 am
The Spanish left back with the broken leg,
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 03, 2018, 10:21:50 am
Yep, missed Tomlin.

The Spanish left back with the broken leg,

Deliberately missed him off because I thought it was implied we were going to keep him around.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on July 03, 2018, 12:17:09 pm
I wasn't really thinks of loans more the Murphy's and Wards etc
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on July 03, 2018, 12:24:54 pm
There's only one Murphy and one Ward, I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on July 03, 2018, 12:31:13 pm
Panty Lemon Man signs.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 03, 2018, 12:48:09 pm
I wasn't really thinks of loans more the Murphy's and Wards etc

The world cup hasn't reached the quarter finals yet. The season is still a month away.

I don't think we should resign ourselves  to being unable to move on any more players yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 03, 2018, 02:23:18 pm
And Tomlin - any other loanees moved on?

Not loanees, but Cohen and Walker are also gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 03, 2018, 02:32:22 pm
Not loanees, but Cohen and Walker are also gone.

Walker's only on loan and likely to be joined as such by Ariyibi, Grant and Yates, among others.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on July 03, 2018, 06:42:17 pm
Dimi Evtimov now has a UK passport. No idea if this will help him find another club.

Allegedly up to a dozen players told  to train with Under-23s/train separately with Cohen (depending on which rumours you read)- basically those not taken to SGP.
Mancienne, Ward, Cummings, McKay, Vellios, Henderson, Lam. Possibly Evtimov, Kapino, Clough. Dunno what's happening with Traore or Murphy.
Yates, Grant, Aribiyi obviously available for loan.
As I understand it with Fuentes we're standing by him as he gets fit. Whether they'll be a deal at the end of it, let's see..
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on July 04, 2018, 05:32:27 pm
I see Gary Monk is up to his old tricks again trying to buy a Forest Striker.  (Yes Grabban isn’t ours but you get what I mean...).


Villa in all kinds of sh!t so maybe if Grab Ass goes to Brum instead of us maybe we could run to Aston and nick Kodja.


Chicago:  Always keeping options open.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 05, 2018, 11:47:59 am
Three year contract for Ryan Yates.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on July 05, 2018, 03:14:08 pm
BBC Nottingham say we have agreed a £6M fee for Grabban.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 05, 2018, 03:18:59 pm
BBC Nottingham say we have agreed a £6M fee for Grabban.


Very pleased if that happens. A big, mobile striker with a solid scoring record at this level.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 05, 2018, 03:27:27 pm
Almost as good as a new signing: iFollow is back this year at the same price as last year, and will feature commentary and graphics.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on July 05, 2018, 03:50:30 pm
Quote
Lewis Grabban has been on the losing side in the past two Championship play-off finals - firstly with Reading in 2017 and then with Aston Villa in 2018.

Who would take that now as the adventure at the end of the season? Losing to... let's say... Sheff Weds at Wembley?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 05, 2018, 06:06:17 pm
Who would take that now as the adventure at the end of the season? Losing to... let's say... Sheff Weds at Wembley?

We haven't kicked a ball yet, let me cling to my dreams of a runaway league title a little longer yet.

In other news, we have sold 19,000 season tickets.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 05, 2018, 06:20:19 pm
Have they all been bought by a Mr. E. Marinakis?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 05, 2018, 06:22:22 pm
Have they all been bought by a Mr. E. Marinakis?

I imagine he needs at least two to be comfortable.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on July 05, 2018, 08:23:19 pm
Grabben hasn't actually signed and is meeting Brum to discuss moving there. He may still chose Forest but it's not a done deal yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on July 05, 2018, 08:44:12 pm
Donny. ITK.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Andyp on July 05, 2018, 08:48:44 pm
Donny. ITK.

Apart from how to spell his name?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on July 05, 2018, 09:04:42 pm
Grabben hasn't actually signed and is meeting Brum to discuss moving there. He may still chose Forest but it's not a done deal yet.

What's your source for this? Is it:

A) The Sutton on Sea ice cream billionaire
B) A connection you have in the press
C) Championship Manager news feed
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on July 05, 2018, 09:29:22 pm

Grabban medical tomorrow.  Source?  ME!!!!!!!    (and numerous newspapers but don't let that stop you from giving me the credit).

Seriously six million for a 30 year old?  That is right proper Mental.  Hi Sean.`    


I think the plan is to wear the opposition down with the old blokes, Murphy, Grabban and Soudani and then finish them off with yoof (Ben and Cash)...

It's an interesting plan..


Chicago: Ageist. 

PS.  Has Balotelli signed for anyone yet?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on July 05, 2018, 10:13:30 pm
Talk of a long contract too. Presumably to spread that fee for FFP.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on July 05, 2018, 11:40:13 pm
Almost as good as a new signing: iFollow is back this year at the same price as last year, and will feature commentary and graphics.

Thank f*ck. Trying to sync up commentary and video was a right pain. I preume it'll just be the radio Nottingham commentary (I hope so).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Loafé on July 06, 2018, 09:35:06 am
How much have we spent so far? Over twenty million?  Madness, but f*ck it. Might work.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JellyHead on July 06, 2018, 10:25:55 am
How much have we spent so far? Over twenty million?  Madness, but f*ck it. Might work.

Assuming all these new joiners are starters, what is our first team looking like.  I really have no idea.  
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on July 06, 2018, 10:57:45 am
It's mental when you try and work it out, especially if more really are coming. Here's an attempt (based on what I think he might do)...

Pantyman

Darikwa, Robinson, Figgy, Mickey D

Watson,Osborn,

Carvalho, Lolley, Gil Dias,
Soudani,

Subs
5 from Jordan Smith, Fox, Worrall, Geddy, Cash, Bridcutt,  Brereton, Goncalves, Murphy,  Grabban?

Not involved at all - Kapino, Evtimov, Henderson, Mance, Ward, Lam, Traore, Fuentes,  Ariyibi,  Clough, Cummings, Vellios

On loan - Walker, Grant, Yates,
Gone - Bouch

We need to shift a lot of players
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on July 06, 2018, 11:00:02 am
European Cup is coming home. You heard it hear first.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on July 06, 2018, 11:01:18 am
I think Lam will be starting.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on July 06, 2018, 11:28:42 am
Doesn't Michael Dawson get a place? Oh wait, you've got him at LB?!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on July 06, 2018, 11:34:23 am
No, Dawson at Centre Back,. Robinson Left Back.  The defenders weren't in order.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on July 06, 2018, 11:40:52 am
It's mental when you try and work it out, especially if more really are coming. Here's an attempt (based on what I think he might do)...

Pantyman

Darikwa, Robinson, Figgy, Mickey D

Watson,Osborn,

Carvalho, Lolley, Gil Dias,
Soudani,

Subs
5 from Jordan Smith, Fox, Worrall, Geddy, Cash, Bridcutt,  Brereton, Goncalves, Murphy,  Grabban?

Not involved at all - Kapino, Evtimov, Henderson, Mance, Ward, Lam, Traore, Fuentes,  Ariyibi,  Clough, Cummings, Vellios

On loan - Walker, Grant, Yates,
Gone - Bouch

We need to shift a lot of players

Barrold McKay?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on July 06, 2018, 11:52:59 am
No, Dawson at Centre Back,. Robinson Left Back.  The defenders weren't in order.

Lazy
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on July 06, 2018, 12:06:16 pm
I thought Fuentes wasn't officially a Forest player beyond the end of last season and we were only helping him rehabilitate now, with a possible contract discussion to follow?

One thing we will have next season which is probably as important, if not more important than anything else - is a bench that should be full of impact players.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on July 06, 2018, 12:55:50 pm
Lam is apparently back in training and off to Spain with the team. Although Kranky was talking about him like a young academy player going along for experience. He's 24.
And I think there's probably one or two more to come in there - possibly the Montenegran to start ahead of Benny. And Fox may get the nod on the left side at the centre backs - Figgy (and Worrall) injured. Not sure how serious Figgy is, but Worrall is worrying if it's the same injury he had for last 2-3 months of last season (Jack Hobbs junior anyone?)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 06, 2018, 01:18:23 pm
It's mental when you try and work it out, especially if more really are coming. Here's an attempt (based on what I think he might do)...

Pantyman

Darikwa, Robinson, Figgy, Mickey D

Watson,Osborn,

Carvalho, Lolley, Gil Dias,
Soudani,

Subs
5 from Jordan Smith, Fox, Worrall, Geddy, Cash, Bridcutt,  Brereton, Goncalves, Murphy,  Grabban?

Not involved at all - Kapino, Evtimov, Henderson, Mance, Ward, Lam, Traore, Fuentes,  Ariyibi,  Clough, Cummings, Vellios

On loan - Walker, Grant, Yates,
Gone - Bouch

We need to shift a lot of players

I'm more inclined to 3 at the back, something along the lines of

..................................................................... Pantylinerman .......................................................................

........................... Figroll .................................... Dawson .............................. Robinson ...........................

Darikwa ................................. Watson ...................................... Osborn ......................................... Dias

......................... Carvalho .................................................................. Goncalves ........................................

........................................................................ Grabban ................................................................................

Obviously I say this with no knowledge at all of how the Portugeezers play or where they're best suited.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on July 06, 2018, 01:25:53 pm
Lam is apparently back in training and off to Spain with the team. Although Kranky was talking about him like a young academy player going along for experience. He's 24.
And I think there's probably one or two more to come in there - possibly the Montenegran to start ahead of Benny. And Fox may get the nod on the left side at the centre backs - Figgy (and Worrall) injured. Not sure how serious Figgy is, but Worrall is worrying if it's the same injury he had for last 2-3 months of last season (Jack Hobbs junior anyone?)

It was a curious reference to Lam in that interview. I can only assume the point got a little mixed. It sounds like Lam may have impressed him and frankly I'm not that surprised, as he always struck me as a tidy, versatile player who always seemed to have a very positive attitude. He won't be anywhere near the starting XI of course, but could be a useful sub to have around the place.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on July 06, 2018, 01:29:18 pm
I'm sure it's been mentioned elsewhere, but David Vaughan has signed for Notts County.

To be honest, thats a great signing for them and he will be a huge asset in League 2
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 06, 2018, 01:29:37 pm
.....Obviously I say this with no knowledge at all of how the Portugeezers play or where they're best suited.
 
 
 
 Don't sell yourself short. You appear not to know about the English players either.  I find the notion of Watson as a wing back somewhat interesting. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 06, 2018, 01:31:24 pm
I'm sure it's been mentioned elsewhere, but David Vaughan has signed for Notts County.

To be honest, thats a great signing for them and he will be a huge asset in League 2
 Have they converted league 2 to walking football, or have Notts got new treatment facilities that they want to stress test? 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Psychobel on July 06, 2018, 01:39:06 pm
I'm sure it's been mentioned elsewhere, but David Vaughan has signed for Notts County.

To be honest, thats a great signing for them and he will be a huge asset in League 2
It's an even better signing for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on July 06, 2018, 02:03:38 pm


I'm going to be a fan boy for a second and assume that Kranky pulls this off.  Byram on loan.  Grabban in and Vuckevic who I think will be absolutely great if he is as good as advertised.  He is a mendes client and is not only on less wages than Colback he's not ginger and looks like a real baller.   I still think our back line and midfield looks a little skew wiff.    I think that big f*cker from Braga might be the general we need.  If we get him (and I think he isn't going to be cheap but we just spunked silly money on a 30 year old), I will be optimistic of a real go.  The only downside is that I think Kranky is boring.  I don't seem him as progressive and he knows how to get a transfer over the line can he get the team to play with an attacking verve whilst simultaneously not conceding boat loads of goals.  Besides we need a big bloke who likes winter because you just know the Portuguese will go missing in the winter. 

Ah bollocks, this with a functioning I follow and I might be less grumpy in the future.


Chicago: It's the hope that kills you.  
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 06, 2018, 02:21:10 pm
Any idiot can get a transfer over the line paying over the odds.  What will be interesting is to judge if we've got anything approaching value. Mendes doesn't strike me as approaching his main line of work from a charity perspective. Kranky doesn't really develop players, he throws sh!t at the wall and sees what sticks, mini-Mourinho style. Our owner has a short fuse and is impatient with failure, he has a history of sacking head coaches, and sending the first team to coventry.

What could possibly go wrong?

It will be an exciting season. It could all work out, and we overtake the ten or more teams we have to, to get into contention. It could.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Loafé on July 06, 2018, 03:35:15 pm
I am taking that at face value. Glad to have you on board the sh!torbust express, Tricky.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 06, 2018, 03:38:44 pm

 
 
 Don't sell yourself short. You appear not to know about the English players either.  I find the notion of Watson as a wing back somewhat interesting.

It would be bizarre, if that was what I did. Are you looking on your phone? I wonder if my attempt at team formatting made it look different.

My team was a 3-4-2-1: Figgy, Dawson, Robinson; Darikwa, Watson, Osborn, Dias; Carvalho, Goncalves; Grabban.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 06, 2018, 03:48:31 pm
When I looked at it,  and I accept it was probably a formatting issue,  there was a three then Dar and Wat as a two.  Then a two with one in front, and a front two... classic 3-5-2 style.  Highly unlikely under mini-Moho, and a terrible fit for the personnel. 

Still,  I had a spare keyboard to hand and was able to make myself a new coffee.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on July 06, 2018, 04:34:36 pm
Just remember....
11 months ago we opened with a 1-0 win over Millwall.
Team was Smith, Darikwa, Traore, Mancienne, Worrall, McKay, Osborn (Cohen), Vaughan, Clough, Murphy (Mills)., Brereton (Dowell)
Unused subs: Evtimov, Lichaj,  Cummings, Vellios.
Only three gone from that, but only three likely to feature on the opening day.

Two years ago we beat Burton 4-3. De Vries (Henderson), Mills, Lam, Iacovitti, Lansbury Osborn, Pereira (Lichaj), Grant (Kasami), Burke, Cash, Assombalonga. Unused subs: Perquis, Vaughan, Veldwijk, Vellios.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 06, 2018, 04:58:44 pm
Jorge Grant on loan to Luton.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on July 06, 2018, 05:14:02 pm
Grabban signs.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on July 06, 2018, 05:21:48 pm
Given my whereabouts when he signed, I will forever think of him as Isle of Lewis Grabban.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 06, 2018, 06:00:20 pm
Grabban signs.

Unpossible, we never sign players when other clubs are interested.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on July 07, 2018, 06:46:22 pm
Report in the Mirror says we are buying Tyrone Mings from Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on July 07, 2018, 11:38:51 pm
He was, at one time, extremely highly rated at Ipswich.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on July 10, 2018, 04:45:26 pm
Surprised Jorge didn't bring him Trent side if he really wanted a new challenge.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/10/cristiano-ronaldo-juventus-real-madrid
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on July 10, 2018, 04:49:32 pm
Too old.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on July 10, 2018, 05:10:44 pm
yeah, he's just looking for one final pay day. We can do without him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 10, 2018, 05:15:35 pm
Can he do it on a cold Tuesday night Saturday afternoon in Stoke?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on July 10, 2018, 11:31:44 pm
Bit of a bonkers rumour that Norwich having signed Jordan Rhodes on loan now means that Olive is going to come to us...


I like Basil but would prefer to weaken Villa by taking Kodja or even highjacking d*rby's supposed move for Tammy Abraham who I rate highly.

Not sure if there is even anything in this but it is a Rumours page.  I do apologize for not running this through proper channels on the Skegness caravan site but there is a world cup on.


Chicago: 2+2 = 69
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on July 11, 2018, 08:12:24 am
I always liked watching Oliveira, he played football the right way so to speak. He doesn't score huge numbers of goals though, tends to get stroppy if he isn't playing, which surely he won't when we have already spent substantial money on Grabban and Soudani, and what about Brereton?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 11, 2018, 08:36:56 am
I always liked watching Oliveira, he played football the right way so to speak. He doesn't score huge numbers of goals though, tends to get stroppy if he isn't playing, which surely he won't when we have already spent substantial money on Grabban and Soudani, and what about Brereton?

I got the impression Oliveira was a back-up if we didn't sign Grabban.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on July 12, 2018, 05:58:02 pm

It looks we are getting Colback afterall which is alright I suppose but I would much rather Nicola Vuckevic who looks tits.

Colback and Watson together is boring.   Kranky is going to be gone by December but hey ho we bought some players.



Chicago: Excitement specialist.   
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on July 13, 2018, 04:26:08 pm
Jason Cummings gone to Posh on a season loan. Great addition for them potentially at that level.

No sign of a swap for that Marriott bloke
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on July 18, 2018, 01:52:03 pm
It looks like we are still in for Colbeck and Tomlin. I am totally convinced it's a FFP disaster. Both on big wages and not even that good.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on July 18, 2018, 07:56:40 pm
At those wages no.


I agree with Donny (Gasp).


Colback is tidy but hardly dynamic.  Tomlin is an interesting one.  He is immensely talented but lazy.  On his day a game changer when he doesn’t feel like it, meh.

This season will be interesting because Karanka has opted for a very slow centre midfield and dynamic wingers.  I would actually like to keep Ryan Yates by what I have seen because he is always looking up field and to forward the play.  He looks good.

Chicago: Mixing and matching.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on July 18, 2018, 07:58:41 pm
Tomlin slows everything down far too much. It's a no from me- I hope we will be playing with a bit more zip next season
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on July 18, 2018, 08:27:49 pm
Tomlin's an awesome talent at this level. If he was in a club where he would have to fight to gain and retain his place, unlike previous clubs like Bristol City, Posh and - well, us last year, then I think he could well be a good fit. A game changer, on his day.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 18, 2018, 08:31:09 pm
I imagine Tomlin would consider it an affront for any defence of his talents to include the word 'fit'.  Assuming he has even the barest conception of what that actually entails.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on July 18, 2018, 08:31:33 pm
Some interesting loan clauses here relating to Diogo Gonçalves
http://sportwitness.co.uk/contract-details-nottingham-forest-transfer-revealed-interesting-clauses/

Main one being there is no loan fee involved but lots of stuff if we choose to purchase him outright
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Mangetout on July 19, 2018, 06:19:07 am
Some interesting loan clauses here relating to Diogo Gonçalves
http://sportwitness.co.uk/contract-details-nottingham-forest-transfer-revealed-interesting-clauses/

Main one being there is no loan fee involved but lots of stuff if we choose to purchase him outright

15M Euros +25% of profit over that, with penalty clauses to Portuguese rivals. Seems like a fair deal, really. Not cheap, but fair.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 19, 2018, 02:12:25 pm
15M Euros +25% of profit over that, with penalty clauses to Portuguese rivals. Seems like a fair deal, really. Not cheap, but fair.

It would be really nice if this becomes a problem for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on July 19, 2018, 02:20:05 pm
From reading it, the worst possible end result is we buy him for €15million, he's permanently crocked, then we have to pay €5million to release him. Nailed on for August 2019.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on July 19, 2018, 05:56:05 pm
Col-back.


He’s alright.  Tidy.  Hardly dynamic.  Ginger.  Meh.


Chicago:  Brunette.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 19, 2018, 06:11:25 pm
Season long loan though, so presumably we're not picking up all of his ludicrous wage. I don't have a problem with the player, only his price tag.

I think we're putting together quite a squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 19, 2018, 06:18:14 pm
Season long loan though, so presumably we're not picking up all of his ludicrous wage. I don't have a problem with the player, only his price tag.

I think we're putting together quite a squad.

I hope that he and Watson are "either/or" and to be paired with a more dynamic partner.

I fear that won't be the case.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 19, 2018, 06:35:31 pm
I think we will aim to be solid and compact at the back, occupy the midfield, and with a couple of flair players looking to work magic or win set pieces.

'ull.

Probably 4-3-3.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 19, 2018, 06:37:21 pm
I hope that he and Watson are "either/or" and to be paired with a more dynamic partner.

I fear that won't be the case.

Dunno, maybe it's some kind of 3-4-1-2 with Colback and Watson centring the 4.  We know Karanka likes to start from a positioning of being extremely hard to score against.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on July 19, 2018, 07:12:37 pm
Tomlin's an awesome talent at this level. If he was in a club where he would have to fight to gain and retain his place, unlike previous clubs like Bristol City, Posh and - well, us last year, then I think he could well be a good fit. A game changer, on his day.


Pound shop Andy Reid.

A key figure in our battle to finish 17th last season.

Talented ball player who wants too much time and is fatter than me.

Great loan for Notts at Christmas when he hasn’t got a game.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on July 19, 2018, 07:15:53 pm
I hope the return of Colback doesn't mean the end of Bridcutt.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 19, 2018, 07:31:26 pm
I hope the return of Colback doesn't mean the end of Bridcutt.

I think the end of Bridcutt has been on the cards for some time. I agree that it's a shame.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on July 19, 2018, 07:35:46 pm
Though would Bridcutt have gone to Marbella if he was on the way out?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on July 19, 2018, 07:47:05 pm
Didn't Murphy go to Marbella?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on July 20, 2018, 11:03:28 am
The combination of the Portuguese and Lolley would seem to make a 4-2-3-1 more likely starting setup than a 3 at the back combination, although the option to move to 3 is clearly there and a useful one to have. I think the belief is that teams with the best defensive records tend to be at the top and I imagine Karanka would feel that he now has a fair few options for getting a goal. There is a plan there, which in itself is an improvement on previous seasons, and the overall quality looks to be better too. As ever some fans are getting carried away and under estimating the opposition, but I am looking forward to seeing how this team performs.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 20, 2018, 11:18:35 am
The combination of the Portuguese and Lolley would seem to make a 4-2-3-1 more likely starting setup than a 3 at the back combination, although the option to move to 3 is clearly there and a useful one to have. I think the belief is that teams with the best defensive records tend to be at the top and I imagine Karanka would feel that he now has a fair few options for getting a goal. There is a plan there, which in itself is an improvement on previous seasons, and the overall quality looks to be better too. As ever some fans are getting carried away and under estimating the opposition, but I am looking forward to seeing how this team performs.

Optimism at this stage tends to be the default, but it looks like a good season to have a go though, doesn't it?

Two of the teams in last year's play-offs are cutting costs and selling players (d*rby and Villa); none of the teams immediately below (Preston, Millwall, Brentford, Sheff U) look unstoppable  and all were probably punching above their weight; and Swansea and West Brom don't look in great shape to bounce back.

There's a reason why the bookies have us fourth (although that is partly because we look a bit like we're copying Wolves). Although there's no chance of the league panning out as expected. It's guaranteed that teams will under and over perform.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on July 20, 2018, 11:30:17 am
It's definitely worth us having a pop and I think we have the best chance of a playoff spot that we've had since the unmentionable was in charge, I just hope that the, at the moment, slightly jokey "announce promotion" mentality doesn't get in the way if we have a poor run, or we find that those other teams can match us. Villa and d*rby will still have good squads and whilst none of those teams just below might seem unstoppable they do seem to have a knack for being in amongst it, something we haven't had for quite some time.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Art on July 20, 2018, 11:36:51 am
Optimism at this stage tends to be the default, but it looks like a good season to have a go though, doesn't it?

Two of the teams in last year's play-offs are cutting costs and selling players (d*rby and Villa)

In terms of d*rby selling players is that FACT? I thought they had made a few signings and I haven't seen any news of any big sales yet. Obv Lampard has used the summer months wisely lounging on the pundits sofa at world cup spotting some world class players itching to move to d*rby............
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on July 20, 2018, 12:10:35 pm
I think with the investment on the playing side, playoffs will certainly be the target this year.

If we do that, then expect further investment the following summer as we would be following the same trajectory Karanka had at Boro (keep up first half season, playoffs then promotion push).

Obviously, anything more would be a bonus and anything less could result in managerial change but I'm rather looking forward to how this team perform especially the Portuguese players and Soudani who all look like very decent acquisitions at first glance...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 20, 2018, 05:55:33 pm
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44898330

Weren't we supposed to be interested in this guy? We should meet Posh's valuation and sign him just so we can stick two fingers up at d*rby.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on July 20, 2018, 08:30:50 pm
I think we have improved. The bit I struggle with  is what I perceive as an underestimation of our opponents. (And the cost of our improvement).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 20, 2018, 09:03:00 pm
I think we have improved. The bit I struggle with  is what I perceive as an underestimation of our opponents. (And the cost of our improvement).

We are brilliant and the rest are all sh!t. The cost is irrelevant when we are crowned Football League Champions in April.

This is not a time for pessimism or doubt.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on July 21, 2018, 08:55:31 am
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44898330

Weren't we supposed to be interested in this guy? We should meet Posh's valuation and sign him just so we can stick two fingers up at d*rby.

Apparently, he 'wanted to join Forest' a couple of weeks back.

If he goes to d*rby, that must mean that Vydra is on his way.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on July 21, 2018, 10:46:05 am
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44898330

Weren't we supposed to be interested in this guy? We should meet Posh's valuation and sign him just so we can stick two fingers up at d*rby.

All Summer, the Posh owner has been on a marketing drive regarding Marriott, openly talking about clubs wanting the player and trying to drive the price up. He's undoubtedly a good and exciting player, but is completely untested at this level so I suspect the Posh valuation is a bit unrealistically high and clubs are waiting until realism kicks in a bit.

In an ideal world we would have got rid of Murphy and filled a slot with this lad, as an impact player but with Soudani, Grabban, Brereton and Murphy vying for what may be one position, then it's hard to justify the £5m+ Peterborough want.

I've also not watched the guy play week in week out, so the fact that clubs aren't falling over themselves with huge bids indicate there may be one or two concerns there too.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 21, 2018, 04:03:31 pm
Donny will be disappointed to hear Traore has gone to Turkey.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on July 21, 2018, 04:57:52 pm
Donny will be disappointed to hear Traore has gone to Turkey.
He can take most of Krankys signings with him for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: des on July 21, 2018, 05:01:56 pm
That's the spirit!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Art on July 21, 2018, 08:15:37 pm
Sorry this is off topic, but I thought donnyred had quit the board in a fit of pique a while ago, or did i just imagine that?

What changed Donny?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on July 21, 2018, 08:19:27 pm
I don't know about 'a fit of pique' but he did delete his account a while back. He clearly missed the intelligent anti Brexit arguments.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on July 21, 2018, 08:41:15 pm
I left the board for personal reasons. As for Brexit in not prepared to argue about it, hence there are very few posts from me in the thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on July 21, 2018, 09:08:23 pm
I left the board for personal reasons. As for Brexit in not prepared to argue about it, hence there are very few posts from me in the thread.


pussy.


Chicago: Being a bit of a tw@t.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on July 22, 2018, 04:25:05 am
noodles heart was never in it, Donny quit like all the others and rich b doesn't even know why he voted Brexit in the first.

A shambles, reflective of the whole thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 31, 2018, 12:15:58 am
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-remove-out-favour-1841083

No huge surprises there.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 31, 2018, 05:55:38 am
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-remove-out-favour-1841083

No huge surprises there.

 I'm sure there are plenty of people outraged that the players don't just agree to leave and give up the rest of their contract but most of them have been here long enough to think "well this manager doesn't rate me but there'll probably be someone else in by Christmas, let's see what he thinks".
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on July 31, 2018, 08:08:39 am
I'm disappointed about Clough and McKay, I still think they can play. I'm not losing any sleep over it, but a shame nonetheless.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on July 31, 2018, 08:28:32 am
I'm disappointed about Clough and McKay, I still think they can play. I'm not losing any sleep over it, but a shame nonetheless.

McKay may still make a player but not Clough, he is washed up. Even a struggling Bolton side where he seemed well liked refused to play him whilst loaned back.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 31, 2018, 08:57:40 am
McKay may still make a player but not Clough, he is washed up. Even a struggling Bolton side where he seemed well liked refused to play him whilst loaned back.

I wouldn't have put it quite like that but I broadly agree. I just don't think Clough is quite skilful enough to play as a 10 or quick enough to play on the wing at this level. Up to about 5 years ago, with slightly improved finishing, he could have made a decent career as a nippy little striker playing off a big man but those players don't really exist any more.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 31, 2018, 10:17:04 am
Mance is the one that frustrates me. He's a proper good defender, if not a dominant stopper type. That he is not considered of any use to us probably signals that the defensive unit will be primarily of the relatively static head it and kick it type.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on July 31, 2018, 10:59:36 am
My issue is that I don't like the way this feels. It's like we're trying to bully them out of the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 31, 2018, 11:32:46 am
My issue is that I don't like the way this feels. It's like we're trying to bully them out of the club.

That's because we are. But they are highly paid grownups with agents to advise them. They, quite rightly, are able to stick around and get paid by us for as long as they choose to. And, even if Karanka sticks around, they wouldn't be the first players to be frozen out by a manager and then convince him they were still useful.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 31, 2018, 02:07:47 pm
Mance is the one that frustrates me. He's a proper good defender, if not a dominant stopper type. That he is not considered of any use to us probably signals that the defensive unit will be primarily of the relatively static head it and kick it type.

Mancienne is a very good footballer, but he's not a leader. Dawson, Fox and Worrall are all pretty vocal (don't know about Figgy) and Karanka certainly wouldn't be the first or last manager to not like shy and retiring centre-halves.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 31, 2018, 02:13:41 pm
Sure, but it's not necessary for a good centre-half to be a vocal leader (in fact there can be a too many cooks scenario if they all are). I give you the best centre-half we have had here - Sir Desmond of Walker. Quiet as a mouse.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on July 31, 2018, 02:27:04 pm
Yep, I'd have thought a Dawson/Mancienne partnership could have been interesting.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 31, 2018, 02:44:51 pm
Yep, I'd have thought a Dawson/Mancienne partnership could have been interesting.

Mancienne is 30 and on a high salary. We have two well paid veteran leaders and two highly rated young players at the position; I can see why he would be considered surplus to requirements. I'm slightly surprised that there isn't interest from other clubs though.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 31, 2018, 02:46:39 pm
Yep, I'd have thought a Dawson/Mancienne partnership could have been interesting.

Mancienne just looks busted here. He made more mistakes in the second half of last season than he did in the previous three put together and just looked terrified every time he went onto the pitch.

Tobias and Worrall have potential to develop and Fox gives us a left/right option. And it looks like Ahmedhodzic is getting closer to being ready as well. 

Letting MM leave is the right choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 31, 2018, 02:49:53 pm
Mancienne is 30 and on a high salary. We have two well paid veteran leaders and two highly rated young players at the position; I can see why he would be considered surplus to requirements. I'm slightly surprised that there isn't interest from other clubs though.

Probably because we are trying to minimise our payoff. I expect he'll leave before the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 31, 2018, 02:56:57 pm

Mancienne just looks busted here. He made more mistakes in the second half of last season than he did in the previous three put together and just looked terrified every time he went onto the pitch.

Tobias and Worrall have potential to develop and Fox gives us a left/right option. And it looks like Ahmedhodzic is getting closer to being ready as well. 

Letting MM leave is the right choice.
 
I have a lot of sympathy for that analysis. I would suggest that the possession based gameplan of warburton, requiring thoughtful defenders often exposed to defending large spaces that sniffed out trouble, better suited Mancienne....rather than what will be a more orthodox, organised, positional based defence. He simply has suffered from being the wrong type, for this sort of team shape. Personally I'd prefer the other sort of plan, so I'm mournful, but i absolutely understand why someone else wouldn't be.

He is also clearly a decent lad, because he's patient and engaging when Bob chats to him in waitrose. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 31, 2018, 03:35:35 pm
He is also clearly a decent lad, because he's patient and engaging when Bob chats to him in waitrose.

Are you sure he's being frozen out by Karanka, rather than standing outside the manager's door every morning saying "did you get me a transfer yet? Did you? Did you?"
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on July 31, 2018, 04:17:56 pm
Mancienne is a good player, on his day a very good player but he is just too far down the pecking order - largely I suspect due to his rather alarming loss of confidence last season, and for a big earner it makes sense to move him on.

Clough is sad, because he arrived in a blaze of optimism but frankly he hasn't really done much at all since arriving and is way too physically lightweight for this division.

I assume these are the players Karanka spoke to at the tail end of the season to inform them they should find other clubs. I would imagine the club are not standing in their way in doing that, and the onus will presumably on their agents to shop them around. It is interesting that so many are still here and training with the kids. You'd think that some clubs (not necessarily competing in the manner Forest hope to this season) would be chomping at the bit to sign them....
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 31, 2018, 04:33:39 pm
According to Paul Taylor we are in for Luke Steele, another goalkeeper.  Bonkers.  We really seem to be going full on sh!t or bust.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on July 31, 2018, 04:38:37 pm
According to Paul Taylor we are in for Luke Steele, another goalkeeper.  Bonkers.  We really seem to be going full on sh!t or bust.

I'm not sure that I'm entirely convinced by any of our current keepers. Tails also thinks we're still trying to get Byram on loan, which is a position with some room for improvement.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on July 31, 2018, 05:06:52 pm
There is an arguable need for a right back, and a left back. I am prepared to go on record and say that we absolutely should be fine for keepers, baring a keeper injury blight of unprecedented proportions.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: des on July 31, 2018, 05:08:28 pm
According to Paul Taylor we are in for Luke Steele, another goalkeeper.  Bonkers.  We really seem to be going full on sh!t or bust.

I hope this is a late move based on unexpected interest in some of our existing keepers.  Otherwise we'll have about 6 of them, which seems just a tad excessive.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 31, 2018, 05:44:15 pm
I hope this is a late move based on unexpected interest in some of our existing keepers.  Otherwise we'll have about 6 of them, which seems just a tad excessive.

Kapino moved on, injury worry for Smith or Pantamilion?

Henderson and Evitmov are on the f*ck off list. (Fair enough because they're both rubbish.) Yer Erlandssons and Bossins are in the under 23s. No emergency loans so you need cover.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Rich B on July 31, 2018, 06:03:08 pm
There is an arguable need for a right back, and a left back. I am prepared to go on record and say that we absolutely should be fine for keepers, baring a keeper injury blight of unprecedented proportions.
Unprecedented, nah. Short memories some folks...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: des on July 31, 2018, 09:52:04 pm
Kapino rumoured to be signing for Werder Bremen for £1m. Explains the sudden interest in Steele (and looks like great business).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on August 01, 2018, 05:10:42 am
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-remove-out-favour-1841083

No huge surprises there.

They're baaaack: https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/teams/first-team/

Genuine mistake or a word from the PFA? (Also hasn't Traore already left?) Interesting (or maybe not) that Smith joins the "f*ck off gang" in being pictured in last year's shirt...

Selling McKay and Kapino for profits does seem like remarkably good business based on half a good season and half a crap one and 10 shaky (at best) games.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on August 01, 2018, 08:14:11 am
Only one that I've never heard of. Well done everyone for keeping me up to date.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on August 01, 2018, 09:48:00 am
What makes us think they have been sold for profit? The club says undisclosed fee for both. That normally masks disappointment.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on August 01, 2018, 09:54:52 am
Paul Taylor has suggested it's £1.5m for McKay I think. He may not be right, but he's not normally far off on that type of thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on August 01, 2018, 10:25:21 am
I suppose Swansea are awash with money but it seems odd to offer 3 times what we paid for a player we clearly didn't want.

The Kapino thing feels a bit like a first financial benefit of the Olympiacos thing, they basically released him to us and the we sell him. Maybe also part of being tapped into this international network of agents and contacts.

If those deals are correct then they pretty much offset this year's cost of Carvalho from an FFP perspective, which is part of the whole behaving like a club that knows what it is doing that we all hoped we would see under the new owner.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 01, 2018, 01:43:23 pm
Luke Steele sounds like some crap 80s TV private investigator
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on August 01, 2018, 03:38:52 pm
Luke Steele sounds like some crap 80s TV private investigator

He's got some way to go to better the name of the chairman of Portmeirion Group...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on August 01, 2018, 04:53:20 pm
Paul Taylor has suggested it's £1.5m for McKay I think. He may not be right, but he's not normally far off on that type of thing.

I have no axe to grind with Paul Taylor, but how do we know he's not normally off on that kind of thing? Could it not equally be that his definition of fact becomes the fact? (National papers quote ITK local journalist, fans repeat national journalist's valuation, valuation becomes bona fide fact.)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on August 01, 2018, 05:00:48 pm
Local rag in Swansea reporting £500,000... (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/new-swansea-city-signing-barrie-14974201)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 02, 2018, 08:46:29 pm
Local rag in Swansea reporting £500,000... (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/new-swansea-city-signing-barrie-14974201)

Swansea's new manager looks to build something with youth.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/02/graham-potter-sweden-swansea-manager-job-championship
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on August 02, 2018, 09:33:08 pm
I like him a lot from what I've seen about him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on August 02, 2018, 09:36:01 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/02/championship-2018-19-fans-clubs-preview-season

No-one else seems very confident...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on August 03, 2018, 04:35:34 pm
Mancienne gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 03, 2018, 04:48:05 pm
To New England. Nice part of the world. Muswell will be able to watch him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Muswell on August 04, 2018, 02:48:02 am
To New England. Nice part of the world. Muswell will be able to watch him.

He’s in for a shock when he see’s where the Rev’s play... 60,000 stadium which looks empty on a game day as they only get 15,000 on the best of days

Despite almost every  team in the league building new stadiums in the past 10 years including most recently FC Toronto and DC United both stadiums situated in the middle of each city, the Revolution have been unable to find a new site for a stadium.  Instead they continue to play at Gillette Stadium, home the NFL’s patriots and a really sh!tty town about a 30 minute drive from Boston on a good day.

Despite the standard improving with MLS I was surprised he made the move, though he’ll be easily the best player on their team. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on August 06, 2018, 08:44:31 pm
We all assume Bryam is coming in but what about the Mings link?  Gone very quiet...

If he’s healthy I would love him as our defence is ropey.

I know nothing but just thought I would mention a left and a right back. 

And Olive of course.


Chicago:  Playing fantasy football.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on August 07, 2018, 07:11:58 am
Your posts make less sense than even mine, well done.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on August 07, 2018, 07:07:46 pm

Hardly.



Chicago: coherent. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 08, 2018, 04:21:18 pm
Here's a good article to give Tricky something else to be concerned about:

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/fruits-nottingham-forests-academy-allowed-1872823

I suspect we'll see at least a couple head out on loan shortly.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on August 09, 2018, 12:19:29 am
It's deadline day! Anyone know what time it shuts?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on August 09, 2018, 01:03:21 am

5PM GMT apparently.  After that only loans (although you can buy from those loans) until the end of August.

Antonis on Twitter the Greek Journal says signings incoming and there could be a surprise.  Dunno what that means.  Let's hope we are happy coming in rather than losing some of our yoof.  I would like to keep Cash, Joe, Yates  and BB to be honest.  I think they could do very well if the Spanish Mourinho (formerly Megson) let's them play.

I think Lam is cooked though.  Tee Hee.


Chicago: Shivering with excitement. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on August 09, 2018, 09:42:35 am
We are in 'advanced talks' with Michael Hefele from Huddersfield.

Me neither.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on August 09, 2018, 09:43:58 am
Centre back, apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 09, 2018, 09:49:41 am
Worrall out the door? Can't believe we'd need 5 centre halves (plus Robinson who can apparently play there).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on August 09, 2018, 10:07:49 am
We are in 'advanced talks' with Michael Hefele from Huddersfield.

Me neither.
Another long term injured. I suppose Cohen, Fryatt, Reid and Hobbs going have left the treatment room a lonely place. Kranky doing his best to keep the medical staff employed.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on August 09, 2018, 10:08:34 am
That's the spirit!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on August 09, 2018, 10:10:54 am
Worrall out the door? Can't believe we'd need 5 centre halves (plus Robinson who can apparently play there).

A part of me always felt we should've taken Burnley's 12 million offer for him (assuming it really existed).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on August 09, 2018, 10:23:44 am
We are in 'advanced talks' with Michael Hefele from Huddersfield.

Me neither.

My Huddersfield-supporting mate on Hefele...

Absolute legend. Amazing character who epitomised the 'terrier spirit' we had in our promotion season. Not quick, decent on the ball for a big, clumsy looking guy. Clever, solid, brave. Biggest attribute is his character though. Brilliant for the dressing room. Fans love him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 09, 2018, 10:34:06 am
I just hope that AK isn't making the time-honoured Forest managerial mistake of looking at the squad and thinking "Hang on....Danny Fox can play full-back"...

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on August 09, 2018, 10:44:36 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aea0nWjgY6A&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 09, 2018, 12:32:42 pm
Rumours that Sam Byram may be snapped up by Boro, which would be annoying.

Looking at Byram's wiki page, it appears he went to the same school I did in York. Obviously, years after I left but still...

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on August 09, 2018, 01:19:26 pm
We are in 'advanced talks' with Michael Hefele from Huddersfield.

Me neither.

They really do seem to like him at Huddersfield. Reece Dinsdale is a big fan apparently. It's one that looks like a decent signing but at the same time emphasises the buy lots, develop little aspects of a Mourinho offshoot which whilst potentially effective short term is ultimately limited.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Loafé on August 09, 2018, 03:14:39 pm
Yeah that Mourinho loser never accomplished anything
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 09, 2018, 03:19:31 pm
They really do seem to like him at Huddersfield. Reece Dinsdale is a big fan apparently.



DINSDALE!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 09, 2018, 04:05:09 pm
HEFELE!!!!!!!!


Has signed.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 09, 2018, 04:05:25 pm
It's a done deal.  First German since Bastians?

https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2018/august/hefele-joins-the-reds/
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on August 09, 2018, 04:12:53 pm
Yeah that Mourinho loser never accomplished anything

Which is of course not what I said.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: SWT on August 09, 2018, 04:20:09 pm
It's a done deal.  First German since Bastians?

Tesche. (courtesy of Twitter)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 09, 2018, 04:22:03 pm
Oh yeah. Forgot about him
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Rich B on August 09, 2018, 04:29:29 pm
Blackburn offered 5m for B.B.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 09, 2018, 04:37:15 pm
That would seem a fairly sh!te move for both Ben and us..
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: SWT on August 09, 2018, 04:38:25 pm
Apparently Hefele gets "turned on" by Mull of Kintyre. I like him already.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 09, 2018, 04:40:37 pm
Apparently Hefele gets "turned on" by Mull of Kintyre. I like him already.

🤤
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Loafé on August 09, 2018, 04:49:29 pm
Which is of course not what I said.


He's won loads of stuff Steve.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on August 09, 2018, 05:24:32 pm
Apparently Hefele gets "turned on" by Mull of Kintyre. I like him already.
 That's the only song I ever learned to play on the guitar. I could woo him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on August 09, 2018, 05:55:51 pm
Tesche

Gesundheit.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 09, 2018, 09:53:53 pm
I don't care what his passport says, I reckon Lam must be German.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on August 09, 2018, 09:57:48 pm
Byram confirmed tomorrow.  Wet Sham and Forest haggling over loan or permanent.  Sam wanted the latter.  We wanted loan and then perm deal. Dunno what happened but apparently he is signing in some capacity or another.

Can't wait.  Darwika gives me nightmares...


I expect the big boys to play against the Ladies on Saturday so Dawson, the German and another big bloke.  Apparently those southern softies don't like it up 'em.

Watch out Tony Pulis!


Chicago: Mystic Megoo.  
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 09, 2018, 10:16:50 pm
Pretty sure that if he signs tomorrow it will have to be a loan. Will be a good signing for sure though.

The German is a big unit. This team overall seems to be pretty hefty. I like this.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on August 09, 2018, 11:50:11 pm
I can't see Karanka throwing Covfefe in with 1 day's training.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 10, 2018, 10:27:27 am
Pretty sure that if he signs tomorrow it will have to be a loan.

That's what the twitter journos are saying. They also say that because a loan deal can be done on the basis of a "becomes permanent later" clause, the transfer deadline is rather meaningless.

I don't know if that is right or not.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 10, 2018, 10:34:42 am
That's what the twitter journos are saying. They also say that because a loan deal can be done on the basis of a "becomes permanent later" clause, the transfer deadline is rather meaningless.

I don't know if that is right or not.

I guess it's not meaningless if the arrangement isn't binding, ie. if a player plays sh!t or gets injured on loan, a club can send him back.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 10, 2018, 05:32:20 pm
Some telling comments in here from Karanka.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-one-financial-stumbling-1880188

Darikwa is really on borrowed time, I think. Which is a relief, because he's a game lad but he's clearly a weak link.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on August 10, 2018, 07:12:18 pm
How much did Warburton spend on him?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 10, 2018, 07:53:10 pm
It's pretty obvious that if someone like Byram comes in he would be first choice - at least at the start, but if the delay to signing him means Darikwa pushes himself to deliver his best, then all the better.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 10, 2018, 08:07:18 pm
Wasn't that Robinson chap supposed to be a full back as well?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 10, 2018, 08:08:21 pm
Wasn't that Robinson chap supposed to be a full back as well?

left-back I think
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on August 10, 2018, 08:56:24 pm
How much did Warburton spend on him?
£3 million wasn't it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on August 10, 2018, 09:32:52 pm
Official West Ham have loaned him to us.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 10, 2018, 09:37:39 pm
£3 million wasn't it.

2M, I think. I don't think he's even that bad a player, he's just not a great defender. He has good attacking instincts and his pace is a huge asset, it's just that his mistakes are amplified when he makes them at the back. If we played with orthodox wingers I don't think I'd have too much problem with using him there, but as it is I'm not sure I see a place for him in our current system.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 10, 2018, 09:56:10 pm
We've signed Byram anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 11, 2018, 09:15:00 am
Regardless of the merits of Byram vs Darikwa, I think Darikwa has been somewhat unfairly judged by many after doing essentially a pretty sound job at full back. As a local lad and Forest-fan-in-his-youth, I'd like to see him stay in the first team squad and push Byram hard for a place. It's always nice to have that local element in the squad, from an identity perspective at least.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on August 11, 2018, 09:31:09 am
Darikwa is really on borrowed time, I think. Which is a relief, because he's a game lad but he's clearly a weak link.

Interviewed Woany for Bandy & Shinty this summer and he said pretty much exactly that, great lad, loves being at Forest - his club, but ultimately not good enough. Cost us £2M I believe.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on August 11, 2018, 09:40:27 am
Ian Woan being the assistant manager of the club that sold him to us? Shame he didn't say that before the event!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on August 11, 2018, 09:44:40 am
Saw Reading's game against d*rby last week. They were nothing special at all. If Forest can replicate the levels against WBA, they have a great chance.

Think they've lost Kermorgant too and he always seemed to like scoring against Forest.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on August 15, 2018, 02:11:50 pm

It seems that Ben Breo and Joe Worrall are available for loan.  I find this curious as they CDAJFU.   And we are short in the striker department.  Does this mean we are loaning someone in also?  Basil?  Tammy Abraham?  I would be fine with either of those but I have to say I like BB has all the talent in the world.  I would be miffed if we loan to buy with Blackburn of all people.  Kranky bothers me.  He is good at recruiting but I sense he is not going to bother with development as his remit is promotion to the Prem or the sack.

Bloody pussy.

Anyway we shall see what rabbit he is going to pull out of the hat this time...


Chicago: Casting a critical eye. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on August 18, 2018, 01:52:12 am
According to the HITC and Sun (I know, neither have caravans in Skegness), Blackburn in for Brereton on a loan to buy, £6 million.

I'm shaving my head and crossing the Trent if that's accepted.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on August 18, 2018, 05:54:26 am
I have no idea if Brereton will ever be the finished article but I don't trust Kranky with any signings. I have seen very little since he arrived to change my mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on August 18, 2018, 08:54:09 am
There will always be collateral damage on the yoof front when the transfer strategy du jour is buy-every-available-expensive-fecker-in-sight.

Would be sad to see Ben flogged before we've really seen what he can do.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on August 19, 2018, 12:27:15 pm
It’s gathering steam that he really could be off for a loan to buy with Blackburn.  After Grabban’s performance yesterday I would say that sending away our youngster never to return sounds like a really sh!t move.  Kranky used to fall out with Middlesbrough players all the time.  Haven’t heard much with us.  Is this going to be the first casualty.  If so then the Spanish Megson can Fcuk off.  BB on first looks definitely has a bit more physicality about him than the bearded one.  I would actually like to see them playing together.

Murphy and Grabban (and possibly Soudani who’s really a winger upfront will get us nowhere (apart from a manager sacking).

I actually hate this.  Put the kids in the team (cash was by far the stand out yesterday) and see what they can do.  An example of that should have been against Bury.

Chicago:  confidence builder.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 20, 2018, 09:17:42 am
No way Brereton should be first choice. Grabban is a proven, regular scorer at this level and is who you want to lead the line if you are aiming for a play-off push. Murphy is more perplexing, but as the season wears on Ben will get his chance to shine, hopefully without the pressure that saw his form drop off massively last season.

I can't see that we are under any pressure to sell a talented young player like Brereton unless the player himself wants to leave, or a stupid bid comes in.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 23, 2018, 08:05:38 am
If we need more defensive personnel then surely 34 year old free agent Glennnn Johnson is a perfect fit for us?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 24, 2018, 05:49:01 pm
We are being linked with a midfielder on loan from Wolves. Roman Saiss, I believe is his name.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 24, 2018, 05:53:35 pm
It is being said on twitter that Blackburn have competition for Brereton's signature, and that Forest are being offered £6M for a loan to permanent deal.

I don't know what to make of this, because Donny says that we have nothing better than Brereton, and at the same time that Brereton is rubbish.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 24, 2018, 05:59:07 pm
What is it with this 'loan to permanent' thing that seems to be attached to every transfer rumour these days?

Whatever happened to just a good old straight forward 'loan'? I'd be more than happy to loan Brereton out to another championship club, as long as we had a recall clause and that he couldn't play against us. But £6m agreed up front? Even if he hammers in 20 goals this season? fack off....

While we are at it, whatever happened to the player swap deals that seemed all the rage back in the 90s?
(and player managers?)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 24, 2018, 06:09:04 pm
What is it with this 'loan to permanent' thing that seems to be attached to every transfer rumour these days?

Whatever happened to just a good old straight forward 'loan'? I'd be more than happy to loan Brereton out to another championship club, as long as we had a recall clause and that he couldn't play against us. But £6m agreed up front? Even if he hammers in 20 goals this season? fack off....

While we are at it, whatever happened to the player swap deals that seemed all the rage back in the 90s?
(and player managers?)

You can't put a recall clause in a season long loan, and I don't know why we'd want to loan him to another Championship club.

We should definitely make things a bit more interesting with the way we structure deals. I think we should loan him to Blackburn with a 12M purchase option and a 6M purchase option. 12M they get him outright, 6M we flip a coin - heads they get Brereton, tails they get Zach Clough.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 24, 2018, 07:29:47 pm
You can't put a recall clause in a season long loan, and I don't know why we'd want to loan him to another Championship club.

I think you can recall a player on season-long loan, but only in the transfer window (Jan)

Seems barking to me anyway. You should be able to put any crazy clauses you want in there and it's up to the other club to accept the terms or not.

I still find this contractually binding transfer cost being agreed at the start of a loan a bit strange though, especially when a club is relatively low-balling. I mean, if we loaned BB with a view of him costing the buying club £15m that would make more sense as he will either be worth that or he won't, and if he isn't they won't buy for that amount but would place a lower bid at that time. A player like Ben could easily be worth a couple of million or >10m depending on the season he has - if playing every week.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 24, 2018, 07:35:15 pm
I think you can recall a player on season-long loan, but only in the transfer window (Jan)

I thought that was only if you'd agreed a deal to sell him to someone else? I could be wrong, they change this sh!t every year.

I agree with you re: the pre-agreed transfer fee. I don't see any point in it for the loaning club, and I don't know why they'd accept it.

Can we keep Ben and get rid of that lazy old Irish tw@t instead?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on August 24, 2018, 07:46:03 pm
The loan to buy clause is presumably just a way round the now closed transfer window. It's basically a sale but we can't complete until the next window opens.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on August 25, 2018, 01:13:09 am
The loan to buy clause is presumably just a way round the now closed transfer window. It's basically a sale but we can't complete until the next window opens.



That, plus sometimes an FFP dodge element (see Mbappe to PSG)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on August 25, 2018, 09:25:34 am
(see Mbappe to PSG)

180 million Euros was a lot of money to pay for Hanson's 1997 hit.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on August 25, 2018, 06:55:41 pm
With hindsight at £1.99 I was robbed.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 25, 2018, 09:10:20 pm
We have apparently agreed the fee with Blackburn for Brereton.

We are also apparently trying to sign Tammy Abraham and/or Rudy Gestede.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on August 26, 2018, 07:53:55 am
We have apparently agreed the fee with Blackburn for Brereton.

We are also apparently trying to sign Tammy Abraham and/or Rudy Gestede.

I can see the logic with Gestede - stop him scoring headed goals against us.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on August 26, 2018, 08:10:08 am
Widely reported that Tammy Abraham won't go on loan to Villa because he doesn't want to return to the championship.

Post are including Defoe and Oliviera.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 26, 2018, 09:36:26 am
Brereton for Defoe would about sum Kranky up..
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on August 26, 2018, 12:38:11 pm
Over the past 24 hours our glorious leader has been reported as both being happy with our squad, and suggesting that new players would provide a boost to it.

Irritating but not necessarily entirely inconsistent. Personally I'd prefer to see evidence of some sort of a plan... But your Mourinho type manager prefers to throw new experienced players at the problem and hope for shear weight of numbers (age/experience, price, squad numbers) to take effect.

It's not really my idea of fun. Others opinions may vary. Let's hope for some level of success before those shear weight of numbers have the other eventual inevitable effect.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 26, 2018, 04:03:06 pm
Let's hope for some level of success before those shear weight of numbers have the other eventual inevitable effect.

You've got about 3 months then.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: The GasMan on August 27, 2018, 02:53:34 pm
Loan out to sell BB @ 6m is bad business.
Can anyone honestly say that having Murphy as back-up to Grabban is preferible to having BB as back-up.
God knows what message Karanka is sending to our talented Acadamy players. He is treating them worse than Stinking Billy did.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 27, 2018, 03:26:12 pm
Is it? I like Ben and think he's talented, but he has 8 goals in 53 appearances for us and looked a bit lost in Karanka's system last season. He was already discarded by Stoke as a 17 year old. I know we all get excited about Academy products, but it isn't like Karanka's completely ignoring them - Cash and Osborn are key players in the squad and Yates is being given the chance to develop into his role.

Maybe Brereton isn't actually as good as we hoped - 7M for an unfinished prospect who cost us nothing could turn out to be a very good piece of business.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on August 27, 2018, 03:50:13 pm
Is it? I like Ben and think he's talented, but he has 8 goals in 53 appearances for us and looked a bit lost in Karanka's system last season. He was already discarded by Stoke as a 17 year old. I know we all get excited about Academy products, but it isn't like Karanka's completely ignoring them - Cash and Osborn are key players in the squad and Yates is being given the chance to develop into his role.

Maybe Brereton isn't actually as good as we hoped - 7M for an unfinished prospect who cost us nothing could turn out to be a very good piece of business.

Brereton looked like a man when he started playing for the first team at 17. It's no wonder he was scoring bucket loads in under age football.

The question is whether he's just an early  developer who's reached his maximum level or can continue to get better.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on August 27, 2018, 06:34:31 pm
Is it? I like Ben and think he's talented, but he has 8 goals in 53 appearances for us and looked a bit lost in Karanka's system last season. He was already discarded by Stoke as a 17 year old. I know we all get excited about Academy products, but it isn't like Karanka's completely ignoring them - Cash and Osborn are key players in the squad and Yates is being given the chance to develop into his role.

Maybe Brereton isn't actually as good as we hoped - 7M for an unfinished prospect who cost us nothing could turn out to be a very good piece of business.

Selling youth players for good money is very good business. I don’t mind if we sell Brereton if the manager doesn’t rate him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 27, 2018, 07:02:48 pm
The Ollie Burke deal is looking like good business at present. A west Brom lad I know really doesn't rate him.

I still wouldn't sell Ben brereton unless some quality was incoming though (Not Defoe). I'd also hope there's a hefty sell on clause in place.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on August 27, 2018, 07:53:20 pm
BB gone official, fee only £5 million with £2 million add one. Probably if Blackburn win the European Cup and BB scores five pass Real Madrid in the final.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 27, 2018, 08:02:32 pm
BB gone official, fee only £5 million with £2 million add one. Probably if Blackburn win the European Cup and BB scores five pass Real Madrid in the final.

I don't think it's actually official yet, but it won't be a surprise when it happens.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on August 27, 2018, 08:33:41 pm
Think that's a pretty poor piece of business. We paid £7m for 30-year-old Grabban.
For all the 8 goals in 53 comments, some of that was as a winger, many as a sub, and plenty of strikers start slowly when young - a certain SVC only got one goal in 20 Palace appearances.
And is similar to Defoe's four in 25 in his current Bournemouth spell.
And Defoe's goals have nearly always come in a 4-4-2, which is not the way we're playing. (alongside Crouch, Adebayor, Pavyluchenko etc at Spurs, Rooney for England)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JRs Cigarette on August 27, 2018, 08:52:45 pm
Didn't realise we paid that much for Grabban. Wow.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 27, 2018, 09:11:59 pm
I think it was £6m wasn't it?

Anyway, it's market forces. There were a number of clubs in for Grabban and he is nearer peak age for striker than Brereton is so given his record would always come with a highish price tag.

It does *seem* a bit low for Brereton, but we don't see what he is like on the training ground and given he isn't even making the match day squad at the moment, and clearly isn't fancied by the manager then for a squad/reserve player I guess it's a big sum.

There is a tendency for supporters to overvalue players who have come through their own academy (yes, I know we bought Brereton from Stokes academy originally). Burke is maybe the classic recent example, but Brereton really did look out of his depth for periods last season (notable exception his excellent performance against Arsenal), and if the coaching staff don't feel he is ready for regular first team action here, and he can get it at Blackburn, then it's a deal which helps everyone out - as well as offsetting the spending risk a bit, as discussed ad nauseam on the board.

I'd just feel more comfortable if it was just a loan I guess, or that the fee was higher.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on August 28, 2018, 09:14:12 am
On the Brereton deal, I'm not a fan of taking individual decisions and declaring them good or bad, I prefer those decisions to be taken together in context, the same as I tried to argue when we sold Burke.

What I find really interesting though is how the story broke as 5m rising to a potential 7m but has been repeated over and over by Forest fans on social media as 7m with add ons. I think this reflects the way that the new owners are perceived by most fans. People wanted to emphasise the negative with Fawaz but want to promote a positive with Marinakis. Completely separate from personal opinions it's interesting to see.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on August 28, 2018, 09:43:33 am
There's nothing wrong with selling young players. I was a fan of the Burke deal. Personally I'd be using his assets and playing Brereton ahead of Grabban and Murphy by note. Because I would have developed his attributes and built up his confidence in a team partly constructed with his peers, and playing modern pressing high temp football to which he is better suited.

As it is he's being sold. That's football.... Just don't try to tell me that it's the only way it can be, and it's the best way.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on August 28, 2018, 11:05:08 am
Of the five strikers linked to us. I would only be happy with one and he won't come anyway as both he and Chelsea have said he isn't going anywhere. None of the others are goalscorers of note and Jesus one is on 65k and 36 years old.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 28, 2018, 11:24:13 am
Of the five strikers linked to us. I would only be happy with one and he won't come anyway as both he and Chelsea have said he isn't going anywhere. None of the others are goalscorers of note and Jesus one is on 65k and 36 years old.

Jesus is thought to have been no older than 36 when he was crucified, so he's not really a long term prospect. But we wouldn't have to pay those wages for very long.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on August 28, 2018, 11:25:09 am
Jesus is thought to have been no older than 36 when he was crucified, so he's not really a long term prospect. But we wouldn't have to pay those wages for very long.

Likely to miss the busy festive period as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on August 28, 2018, 11:26:20 am
Likely to miss the busy festive period as well.

And the all important Easter push for the playoffs.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on August 28, 2018, 11:34:14 am
It'll be Gestede won't it? He's always caused us real problems and Karanka signed him for Boro.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on August 28, 2018, 11:37:19 am
And the all important Easter push for the playoffs.

Etc etc something about crosses etc
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 28, 2018, 11:56:51 am
Etc etc something about crosses etc

But he'll Save everything!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on August 28, 2018, 12:12:11 pm
Will he work on Sundays?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Psychobel on August 28, 2018, 12:33:22 pm
Im no fan of Tammy Abraham. Looks well short of a decent standard.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 28, 2018, 01:10:31 pm
It'll be Gestede won't it? He's always caused us real problems and Karanka signed him for Boro.

He's tall at least - we could do with more of that in the side
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 28, 2018, 01:15:13 pm
Im no fan of Tammy Abraham. Looks well short of a decent standard.

Currently or generally?

The lad is only 20 and already has 33 PL appearances (between Chelsea and Swansea) to his name, as well as 41 appearances at Championship level, where he scored 23 goals that season.

I'm not an expert on him, and am going by his prior stats alone, but they certainly seem pretty good for a player who should be getting better and better.

Is there a reason why he is short of the required standard (like an injury or something)?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on August 28, 2018, 01:17:00 pm
But he'll Save everything!

Given his track record at healing the lame I think he'd make a better physio. Then we could bring back Cohen.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on August 28, 2018, 01:20:41 pm
Currently or generally?

The lad is only 20 and already has 33 PL appearances (between Chelsea and Swansea) to his name, as well as 41 appearances at Championship level, where he scored 23 goals that season.

I'm not an expert on him, and am going by his prior stats alone, but they certainly seem pretty good for a player who should be getting better and better.

Is there a reason why he is short of the required standard (like an injury or something)?

He was playing for a sh!t Bristol City team when he got all those goals as well. I haven't seen him but I assumed he was out of our league rather than not good enough for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on August 28, 2018, 01:21:09 pm
Seat Pitch on Brereton:

https://seatpitch.co.uk/2018/08/28/high-stakes-unpicking-the-sale-of-ben-brereton/

One thing that surprises me is that despite all the alleged Prem interest in BB over the last year or so, nobody has come in to trump Blackburn. £6m is small change to teams in the Prem. You would think that if their scouts still rate him, one of the bigger clubs would have taken a punt on him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 28, 2018, 01:34:32 pm
"...football crowds are a raw democracy, and the clear evidence from our 21,000 season card sales are that fans wanted to push the club forwards in a different way. And I think they know the risks around FFP that entails."

Hmmm. Do they indeed?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on August 28, 2018, 01:42:45 pm
"...football crowds are a raw democracy, and the clear evidence from our 21,000 season card sales are that fans wanted to push the club forwards in a different way. And I think they know the risks around FFP that entails."

And 51% of people voted for a Hard Brexit...

This is bullsh!t, btw. There was clear evidence from our 21,000 season ticket sales that you could pick up a kids ticket for fifty quid.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on August 28, 2018, 02:43:10 pm
He's tall at least - we could do with more of that in the side

My mate Alcat is tall but I'm not sure that's reason enough to give him a run out.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on August 28, 2018, 03:47:24 pm
Yates to Rotherham.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 28, 2018, 04:46:13 pm
My mate Alcat is tall but I'm not sure that's reason enough to give him a run out.

My Mark is 6'7", and not a bad player (although he's 40 now). But he's a Pompey fan so the less said the better.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 28, 2018, 06:01:15 pm
Costel Pantyman is 6 foot 8. Oddly it appears that he can be easily bundled over by people far shorter.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on August 28, 2018, 06:08:07 pm
Costel Pantyman is 6 foot 8. Oddly it appears that he can be easily bundled over by people far shorter.

Centre of gravity problem.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on August 28, 2018, 07:32:26 pm
The more I listen to Kranky the more convinced he is a poor man's mourhino. Both have lost their f*cking marbles.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 28, 2018, 07:53:49 pm
Come come, fake Donny. You lay this on too thick.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on August 28, 2018, 08:46:59 pm
Brereton confirmed to Blackburn.

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2018/august/rovers-complete-brereton-coup/
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on August 29, 2018, 09:41:19 am
Kranky wouldn’t even consider playing him which is weird.

Spanish tw@t.

I assume since Defoe has been ruled out (thank you fake Bloke in the sky), and Tammy probably too expensive for a loan then we are stuck with Olive or Gestede.  The latter is a big lumbering Giant who only scores against us (likely) or a Bloke who has talent but hasn’t trained at all and is a Mendes client.  I think I would prefer mardy Basil.

Ben didn’t want to leave initially but something pissed him off.  Wonder who that could have been....


Chicago:  Gossip monger.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on August 29, 2018, 09:54:05 am
It's the Mourinho model. No time for development at all. Exactly as predicted. I wish Ben well, and hope he reaches his potential and shows this decision for the lunacy that I believe that it is.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on August 29, 2018, 10:21:28 am
Yep. It amuses me how the same fans who wanted Warburton out are now bemoaning the sale of Brereton. Chasing instant success with a chequebook is always going to mean you're hiring managers who give less than a single fcuk about nurturing talent from the academy. Why would they?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on August 29, 2018, 10:48:44 am
All the fans telling a player he's rubbish and then complaining he hasn't thanked them for reigniting his career.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: graham on August 29, 2018, 11:15:49 am
I assumed that the Brereton move was decided, in principle, when Karanka was given the cash for Grabban. It seems a particularly stupid deal at the moment because in Carvalho we have a player who is capable of  playing in a quick striker. The only problem is that he has the lumbering Murphy or Grabban to aim at. 



Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on August 29, 2018, 11:46:44 am
Lam gone. Unclear on what basis at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 29, 2018, 11:48:35 am
Cos he was a bit sh!te?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on August 29, 2018, 12:03:53 pm
I assumed that the Brereton move was decided, in principle, when Karanka was given the cash for Grabban. It seems a particularly stupid deal at the moment because in Carvalho we have a player who is capable of  playing in a quick striker. The only problem is that he has the lumbering Murphy or Grabban to aim at. 




I assumed that the Brereton move was decided, in principle, when Karanka was given the cash for Grabban. It seems a particularly stupid deal at the moment because in Carvalho we have a player who is capable of  playing in a quick striker. The only problem is that he has the lumbering Murphy or Grabban to aim at. 





Which is what makes it look like we are assembling an expensive group of players without any real idea about how they will combine to get us promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on August 29, 2018, 05:01:34 pm
Which is what makes it look like we are assembling an expensive group of players without any real idea about how they will combine to get us promoted.


We are serious about promotion.  Are you?  (Giggle..)

Chicago: Concrete followed by Bloke in the water..
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Psychobel on August 30, 2018, 12:21:02 am
Cameron Jerome or Gestede apparently. Are we trying to assemble a forward line of clones? (Stylistically of course) (Not the Stylistics, they would make an organised defense of impeccable pedigree)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 30, 2018, 12:26:50 am
Oh f*ck off with Cameron Jerome, really. He's like the inverse Daryl Murphy - all running and pace and movement, and little discernible actual ability to finish.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 30, 2018, 05:33:46 pm
This appears to be a misleading headline.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/rangers-agree-fee-for-nottingham-forest-defender-joe-worrall-1-4792209

If Gerrard is contacting Karanka to give him his assurances about the player, I presume the intention is that he will be coming back.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 30, 2018, 05:56:22 pm
This appears to be a misleading headline.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/rangers-agree-fee-for-nottingham-forest-defender-joe-worrall-1-4792209

If Gerrard is contacting Karanka to give him his assurances about the player, I presume the intention is that he will be coming back.

The article does say 'season long loan'.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on August 30, 2018, 06:02:24 pm
The article does say 'season long loan'.

Yes, but the "fee agreed" bit makes it sound like it's a loan with a deal to buy. Hopefully they are talking about a loan fee.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 30, 2018, 06:03:24 pm
I don't think there have been any serious indications that the Worrall deal is anything other than a loan has there?

As for the striker thing - I'd take Gestede over Jerome any day but he better get a wiggle on, otherwise an opportunity may suddenly be opening up again for Ward or Vellios
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on August 30, 2018, 09:15:50 pm
Gossip mainly from Hannah is that Byram could be out for the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on August 30, 2018, 09:20:06 pm
I expect he'll be back on Saturday then
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 30, 2018, 10:39:37 pm
Yes, but the "fee agreed" bit makes it sound like it's a loan with a deal to buy. Hopefully they are talking about a loan fee.

Twitter says loan deal about to be completed.

Oh goody. When he comes back he won't know how to tackle without giving away at least a yellow.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on August 31, 2018, 08:49:51 am
Those cnuts at Villa seem to have oodles Of money agai and are about to snag Tammy Abraham.  That makes me cross as I would like us to get him just to piss them off.  And he’s quite good.  So it looks like two cloggers or Olive.

Jolly good.


Chicago:  Feeling bludgeoned.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on August 31, 2018, 01:09:23 pm
Just back from playing golf. Somebody there had heard that Byram is already back at WHam and Lolley out until Christmas. No idea how true this is likely to be.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on August 31, 2018, 02:33:51 pm
Paul Taylor has hinted that Byram will be out for months and they are unsure of the extent of Lolleys injury. We really are blessed with injuries.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 31, 2018, 02:34:03 pm
that would be a proper disappointment.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on August 31, 2018, 04:02:27 pm
One hour to deadline. No Brereton replacement? Just Grabban and Murphy to lead the line (don't tell me Soudani can, he can't).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on August 31, 2018, 04:12:03 pm
ChipperfieldCircus was saying yesterday on Twitter that 2 loan signings were close.....but this is very close.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on August 31, 2018, 04:27:11 pm
One hour to deadline. No Brereton replacement? Just Grabban and Murphy to lead the line (don't tell me Soudani can, he can't).

I think he can personally.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on August 31, 2018, 04:37:38 pm
The last time I saw winger I saw who could lead the line was when Colin Calderwood thought Grant Holt was a winger.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 31, 2018, 05:03:32 pm
Just back from playing golf. Somebody there had heard that Byram is already back at WHam and Lolley out until Christmas. No idea how true this is likely to be.

.@karanka on the injury to Sam Byram...

"Sam is not available for tomorrow, but I don't know yet how serious the injury is.

"But maybe Joe (Lolley) can be fit - I need to check, but maybe he can play..."
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on August 31, 2018, 05:19:07 pm
Zach Clough seems to have gone to Rochdale; Jamie Ward on his way to Charlton.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 31, 2018, 06:34:54 pm
and Vellios out on loan too

and now confirmed that Tammy Abraham has joined Villa. Somewhat annoyed at that as he looked like a difference maker.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 31, 2018, 07:03:01 pm
Janko arrived. Wiki suggests he's never really been a regular and has moved around a lot...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on August 31, 2018, 07:12:59 pm
Sorry, that was overly Donny.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: des on August 31, 2018, 07:35:39 pm
And that seems to be that. Bit of a gamble striker-wise.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on August 31, 2018, 07:41:32 pm
Janko sounds like a serviceable option at right back, and whilst he has moved around he must have 'something' about him for the likes of Man Utd and Porto to be after him in the past. Kudos to the club for moving fast to fill the Byram-shaped hole.

It is a bit weird that we didn't grab a striker, for insurance purposes if nothing else. Mind you, if we were super desperate that we could have retained Vellios or Ward as a backup option and we let them go today, so either Karanka must be confident that if he needs a backup then Appiah will be up to standard or we just haven't announced one yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on August 31, 2018, 08:43:24 pm
As a result of a misread on my part, he will henceforth be known as 'Sadly'..... Which describes my overall feelings of the loan part of the window.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on August 31, 2018, 09:07:14 pm
Perhaps we are going to play with a false 9
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on August 31, 2018, 09:32:15 pm
Murp........too easy.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on August 31, 2018, 11:22:10 pm
Sell BB.  Grabban has an Achilles problem.  Murphy three games in a week?  No striker in on loan.  Sounds like a fcuk up to me.


Very disappointing.  And I could see this coming.

No doubt we will be back to bring attritional.  Yipppeeee.


Chicago:  could have made the Brentford game with more planning!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on September 01, 2018, 12:44:50 pm
Sell BB.  Grabban has an Achilles problem.  Murphy three games in a week?  No striker in on loan.  Sounds like a fcuk up to me.


Very disappointing.  And I could see this coming.

No doubt we will be back to bring attritional.  Yipppeeee.


Chicago:  could have made the Brentford game with more planning!

Well we have other players who can play in the striker role, although not the tall, target-man types.

If anything, I would say it reduces our risk of being attritional if we don't have a target-man and will force us to have to play a more passing style. Personally, I would always prefer the choice of bringing on a big lump up-front and playing the ball long at times, but this may not be an option now.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 01, 2018, 01:44:13 pm
We may have signed the Iranian forward on loan after all.  Although nobody knows for certain.  Some journalist in Greece is reporting it.


And we will still play Murphy...


Chicago:  Still In it to win it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on September 03, 2018, 08:02:36 pm
And a 6 foot 4 midfielder as well, mysteriously released by olympiakos recently.  Although the Greek journo doesn't rate him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: des on September 03, 2018, 08:12:41 pm
And is suggesting that it’s not much to do with Karanka.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 03, 2018, 08:17:50 pm
Can he move? If so if I was Ben Watson I'd be getting one of those mirror things to check under your car.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on September 03, 2018, 08:29:43 pm
Still, it's reassuring that the answer to our problems is even more players.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 03, 2018, 10:36:30 pm
If we are going to sign a free agent then why not Bakary Sako?  Oh yeah Kranky doesn’t like Mavericks.  Apparently the bloke is a bit unhinged but if he can win us games then so what?  No doubt he Spanish Megson has no interested in a fast progressive game which is what will probably win us games.

I would be delighted if we did snag him up but I think AK would treat him like that other winger he had at Boro and not play him.


Chicago:  Not impressed.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 03, 2018, 10:38:35 pm
That would be fun...but not really fair on Russ. I imagine he's having enough trouble looking at the squad and wondering what the f*ck happened to structure and plan, as it is.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on September 03, 2018, 10:46:31 pm
That would be fun...but not really fair on Russ. I imagine he's having enough trouble looking at the squad and wondering what the f*ck happened to structure and plan, as it is.

Not really. I'm looking at the squad and thinking, "that's pretty a f*cking tasty squad they've built you Karanka, I'm going to need you to start turning it into some good performances soon please". And that's as simple as it is.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 03, 2018, 11:04:55 pm
Good luck.  I bet you he gets fired before Christmas for playing the same old boring sh!t tactics he has been doing since we got him.  Make him a DF as his recruiting skills are pretty good but teaching a team to pass to
Each other and go on the attack seems a bit alien to
Him.  How long has he been in management? 


Chicago:  Fancying a flutter.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on September 03, 2018, 11:26:46 pm
Good luck.  I bet you he gets fired before Christmas for playing the same old boring sh!t tactics he has been doing since we got him.  Make him a DF as his recruiting skills are pretty good but teaching a team to pass to
Each other and go on the attack seems a bit alien to
Him.  How long has he been in management? 


Chicago:  Fancying a flutter.

OK. How many times do I have to say that I don't have a problem with this if it happens? How many times do I have to explain that I am of the belief that the manager is not the driving force behind our transfer strategy and squad make up? I might be wrong on that, but why are people continuing to ascribe their view of the world to me?

I am not a Karanka acolyte. I have no feelings about him, other than I think he's doing a sub-optimal job currently.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 03, 2018, 11:58:40 pm
Not really. I'm looking at the squad and thinking, "that's pretty a f*cking tasty squad they've built you Karanka, I'm going to need you to start turning it into some good performances soon please". And that's as simple as it is.

It's not that tasty. The central midfield is lacking pace and passing, and the defence is highly variable. We've bought some expensive, relatively unproven, attackers. I doubt the better teams in our division are seriously worried by our squad on paper.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 04, 2018, 12:02:09 am
It's not that tasty. The central midfield is lacking pace and passing, and the defence is highly variable. We've bought some expensive, relatively unproven, attackers. I doubt the better teams in our division are seriously worried by our squad on paper.

And the 'they' who you say have built the team 'for' Karanka seem just as likely to be parasitical 'super agent' Mendes, as anyone who is employed by the club and has an actual strategy for acquisitions and the way the team should be playing in the future.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on September 04, 2018, 01:30:14 am
It's not that tasty. The central midfield is lacking pace and passing, and the defence is highly variable. We've bought some expensive, relatively unproven, attackers. I doubt the better teams in our division are seriously worried by our squad on paper.

The central midfield that Karanka selects lacks pace and passing, but the options available to him do not. The defence is fine, if he ever actually settles on one. As for the attack, Grabban is expensive but anything but unproven, Murphy isn't his fault, and Soudani looks like he could be a real handful if he ever gets a run.

And the 'they' who you say have built the team 'for' Karanka seem just as likely to be parasitical 'super agent' Mendes, as anyone who is employed by the club and has an actual strategy for acquisitions and the way the team should be playing in the future.

There are by my count three players represented by Gestifute at Forest - Carvalho, Goncalves and Dias - out of thirty. How exactly is Mendes setting the strategy for acquisitions and determining the way the team plays, especially given one of the biggest issues I see is that the three of them have been underused so far by the Mendes-represented manager?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dean on September 04, 2018, 09:03:16 am
If we are going to sign a free agent then why not Bakary Sako?  Oh yeah Kranky doesn’t like Mavericks.  Apparently the bloke is a bit unhinged but if he can win us games then so what?  No doubt he Spanish Megson has no interested in a fast progressive game which is what will probably win us games.

I would be delighted if we did snag him up but I think AK would treat him like that other winger he had at Boro and not play him.


Chicago:  Not impressed.

Would Sako want to come back to the Championship and I thought he'd done a u-turn and was signing back for Palace?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Rich B on September 04, 2018, 09:08:07 am
Evtimov gone
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on September 04, 2018, 09:11:34 am
Evtimov gone

Will be interesting to see where he ends up because, from what I've seen, he's not close to the required standard.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 04, 2018, 09:33:40 am
Why on earth have we kept him around for so long then? 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on September 04, 2018, 10:03:44 am
Why on earth have we kept him around for so long then?

I've no idea. Maybe he's a nice guy. Maybe he looks good in training. Maybe he's got the physical attributes and they hoped he'd develop. Maybe they needed someone to fill out the numbers when other people went on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on September 04, 2018, 10:22:12 am
Technically that's 4 ideas.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 04, 2018, 10:35:50 am
Perhaps he's had so many ideas that each one is sufficiently diluted to round down to nothing?

I don't think Evtimov is good enough. He's been around long enough to make the case. I wish him well.  I think that Smith currently is good enough. But he soon probably wont be due to the break in his development. I like seeing development in our youth prospects, it's fun. I'm a bit frothing at the mouth about Brereton and Worrall, however unexpected it was, so am trying hard not to say what I really think.

I've had to re-write this four times now. I'm so furious that you could take Watson, Colback, and Dawson out of this squad, put a load of money back in the bank, and make the squad better....and keep developing those two to get potentially valuable players.

We can't though, the die has been cast. I can see exactly what sort of club we are to be, and I don't like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 04, 2018, 10:50:47 am


I can see exactly what sort of club we are to be, and I don't like it.

Take a crumb of comfort from the fact that in about 18 months we will be following some other direction, again.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 04, 2018, 10:55:09 am
Surely if Evtimov isn't good enough we should let him play one more game, for sentimentality 's sake? That's what we should do for Alastair Cook, it is said.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on September 04, 2018, 11:22:51 am
And a snow leopard, obvs.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 04, 2018, 11:45:34 am
I have a slight concern that a snow leopard might tear through our defence even more effectively than a one legged man punting it up to a beanpole...but I can't be sure, given I don't know what it actually is (our defence, and a snow leopard).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on September 04, 2018, 11:50:34 am
I've had to re-write this four times now. I'm so furious that you could take Watson, Colback, and Dawson out of this squad, put a load of money back in the bank, and make the squad better....and keep developing those two to get potentially valuable players.

Dawson is the only one who is potentially preventing Worrall's development, and is on-paper a better, more experienced defender. But even he can't get in the side, as Figgy and now Hefele are ahead of him. And Worrall has been sent to rangers with a promise of first team football, which means he will come back next year hopefully a more rounded player.

Brereton does seem a strange one, but clearly there was something the manager didn't like about him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 04, 2018, 12:12:24 pm
He's not 35, and he can run?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 04, 2018, 12:28:22 pm

This will drive Tricky mad but apparently Brereton is on less money at Blackburn than here so it had nothing to do with money.  I think that Kranky decided he didn't like the cocky little bleeder who had just won the England Under 19's world cup with his goals. 

I think a striker should have confidence right?  By all accounts he was liked at Forest and didn't have a problem with the other players so the only conclusion I can get is that the manager probably was worried that he couldn't coach him into stone.

Fcuk off Kranky.   There I said it....


Chicago: Counting the days..
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on September 04, 2018, 12:30:58 pm
We've also got Hefele's younger brother on a youth loan from Bradford for 3 months. A right back.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on September 04, 2018, 12:37:15 pm
How long before Hefele the elder starts getting called Hoofele?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on September 04, 2018, 01:32:01 pm
The Smith thing really annoys me. Everyone seems to over rate Pantilimon from what I can see and we've wrecked Smith for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on September 04, 2018, 01:49:15 pm
But have you seen how taaaaaaaalllllll Pantilimon is?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on September 04, 2018, 02:38:03 pm
We are signing some right sh!te. A journey man from Greece who cannot hold a place at ten different clubs. It's getting worse!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on September 04, 2018, 02:46:08 pm
The Smith thing really annoys me. Everyone seems to over rate Pantilimon from what I can see and we've wrecked Smith for him.


Pantilimon is fine. His distribution is questionable at times, but he's a very solid keeper who hasn't as I recall been directly at fault for any goals conceded.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on September 04, 2018, 03:02:26 pm
Yeah, he's okay. That isn't enough to justify the treatment of Smith in my opinion.

I disagree that he hasn't been at fault for any goals. To be honest it would be unnatural if he wasn't, but I think he's made a number of costly errors.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on September 04, 2018, 03:18:09 pm
Yeah, he's okay. That isn't enough to justify the treatment of Smith in my opinion.

OK, but you have a blind spot about Academy products. There may be a reasonable discussion to be had about whether Pantilimon is good enough, but at the time he came in to replace Smith there was a collective sigh of relief and the upgrade was noticeable. At the risk of repeating myself, this is not a community development project. This is a multi-million pound enterprise attempting to break into the world's most lucrative market and do so very quickly, and while we can argue all day long about how effectively they're doing that, the one thing that everyone should be able to agree on is that in that model there's no time to develop young players on the big stage. If they're not ready now, they shouldn't be playing. So it is with Jordan Smith.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 04, 2018, 05:02:06 pm
We can argue about whether we think the model they are using is flawed, and ultimately makes the objective less likely, surely?

Buying Pantillimon, over playing Smith for the back end of that season, and seeing what we got, is part of what will make the money run out short of the target.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on September 04, 2018, 08:44:46 pm
We can argue about whether we think the model they are using is flawed, and ultimately makes the objective less likely, surely?

Buying Pantillimon, over playing Smith for the back end of that season, and seeing what we got, is part of what will make the money run out short of the target.

We didn't buy Pantilimon over playing Smith for the back end of last season. We loaned him because we had to make sure we didn't get relegated, and we didn't trust Jordan Smith to be good enough to help us do that. Then we bought Pantilimon in the summer because our objective is to get promoted, and we don't trust Jordan Smith to be good enough to help us do that either.

If he needs further development then he should probably go out on loan to get it, because it won't be here.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on September 05, 2018, 12:07:23 am
Smith improved somewhat as last season progressed, but he is not a keeper that any manager would have kept in the side if the objective is to crack the top six. That's nothing personal against Smith, but he is still young and hugely inexperienced - let's not forget that Smith would have been third-choice last season if Adam Federici - the 32yr old who Warburton brought in - hadn't been injured, followed swiftly by the injury to Stephen Henderson. Even as the season progressed and Smith was doing okay, Warburton said that he was still planning to bring a more experienced keeper in during the January window (which he never saw), referring to Smith as a 'baby in goalkeeping terms'.

So it seems an odd stick to beat Karanka with, given that there was precisely zero chance of Smith retaining the first-choice keeper role regardless of whoever was in the managers chair.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: noodlé on September 05, 2018, 02:53:22 am
Surely if Evtimov isn't good enough we should let him play one more game, for sentimentality 's sake? That's what we should do for Alastair Cook, it is said.

That would be a good comparison if Evtimov had played 600 games and kept 300 clean sheets. And he was currently first choice in his position. And it was an end of season game with nothing much riding on it. And he'd decided to call it a day as oppose to, y'know, having that decision made for him by having never been picked anyway.

So it's actually *so* sh!t a comparison, you're probably trolling.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on September 05, 2018, 05:27:32 am
That would be a good comparison if Evtimov had played 600 games and kept 300 clean sheets. And he was currently first choice in his position. And it was an end of season game with nothing much riding on it. And he'd decided to call it a day as oppose to, y'know, having that decision made for him by having never been picked anyway.

So it's actually *so* sh!t a comparison, you're probably trolling.

More to the point I don't recall the objections when Chris Cohen came off the bench in the last home game of last season. Should that opportunity have been used to give a youngster some experience instead?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on September 05, 2018, 08:25:08 am
Look, JP is using his wit to highlight what is wrong with English sport, please make at least some effort to keep up. What we should be doing is looking to base our sporting management on that world renowned colossus of international sport, Scotland.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 05, 2018, 09:10:57 am
Look, JP is using his wit to highlight what is wrong with English sport, please make at least some effort to keep up. What we should be doing is looking to base our sporting management on that world renowned colossus of international sport, Scotland.


The Scottish FA is considering whether to move its headquarters, and base for the national team, from a purpose built stadium in the heart of Glasgow to a rugby stadium with a slightly higher capacity in the heart of Edinburgh.

The SFA is a tenant at Hampden, which is owned by the tiny Queen's Park FC. The SFA has never had to spend real money on Hampden, which has soaked up about £70M of UK govt grants and lottery funding in the last 20 years. If it moved to Murrayfield the SFA would be a tenant of the SRFU, which virtually destroyed rugby union at a grassroots level in Scotland when it concentrated all its funding on redeveloping that stadium a few years back.

Hampden Park is in the middle of a city which is 4x bigger than Edinburgh. The majority of football supporters in Scotland live in the Glasgow area. There is nothing wrong with the stadium. The owner of the stadium is a tiny club which acts as a benevolent landlord to the governing body because it doesn't have any choice but to. If the SFA leaves Hampden then the stadium will probably become unviable for Queen's Park, who will no doubt sell it to a developer in due course.

The SRFU on the other hand wants a wealthy tenant for Murrayfield, and whilst this arrangement may suit both parties for now, they will no doubt fall out eventually, by which point Hampden may have been turned into flats, and Queen's Park FC may no longer exist.


No, I wouldn't recommend to anyone following a Scottish 'model' of sports development or administration.

..other than Judy Murray's method of recognising that a gangly boy in Dunblane had the potential to be a grand slam winner, and then moulding him into one.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 05, 2018, 09:42:13 am
I have a good friend who played for Queens Park, and whose father was a director. Queens Park, aka the mighty Queens, are the most historic, best club, in scotchland, we are regularly told. As well as being reminded about the beating forest in the fa cup.

Queens have always been (slightly compromised these days) amateurs in the professional leagues. Malky McText was at Queens with my mate, and Robertson the Liverpool left back is the current high achieving graduate.

Queens is the TalkBack of Scottish football. Been there forever, great history, stuck to a model that avoided growth and modernisation because they value what they have.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dean on September 05, 2018, 09:46:54 am
Pantilimon is fine. His distribution is questionable at times, but he's a very solid keeper who hasn't as I recall been directly at fault for any goals conceded.

I recall several he could have done better with shots or flapped a bit at balls across plus didn't he drop a clanger on his debut away at Fulham.  Pantilimon is pretty standard for this level, if he had the distribution and slightly better hands he wouldn't be playing for us he'd have held a regular place down at a higher level.

Smith seemed so much more confident when he was allowed to just put his foot through the ball when needed rather than feeling he had to pass no matter what the situation.  There's a decent keeper in there somewhere but he doesn't exude the confidence and vocal aspect that Pantilimon does and feels a little tainted in the eyes of management and fans from what has gone before.  From Smith's point of view he probably needs a fresh start and games elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on September 05, 2018, 09:56:27 am
Queens is the TalkBack of Scottish football. Been there forever, great history, stuck to a model that avoided growth and modernisation because they value what they have.

Where is our Hampden?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 05, 2018, 10:03:42 am
Funny you should mention that. I've been looking at different stadium models recently.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 05, 2018, 10:10:03 am
I have a good friend who played for Queens Park, and whose father was a director. Queens Park, aka the mighty Queens, are the most historic, best club, in scotchland, we are regularly told. As well as being reminded about the beating forest in the fa cup.

Queens have always been (slightly compromised these days) amateurs in the professional leagues. Malky McText was at Queens with my mate, and Robertson the Liverpool left back is the current high achieving graduate.

Queens is the TalkBack of Scottish football. Been there forever, great history, stuck to a model that avoided growth and modernisation because they value what they have.

Did you ever ask your mate what it's like playing home games in a 57000 capacity stadium with 2000 people watching?

I like Hampden. Only went once, to the 2014 Commonwealth Games. Really nice stadium. You could make a packet selling a site like that in an area like Mount Florida.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 05, 2018, 10:14:27 am


The Scottish FA is considering whether to move its headquarters, and base for the national team, from a purpose built stadium in the heart of Glasgow to a rugby stadium with a slightly higher capacity in the heart of Edinburgh.

The SFA is a tenant at Hampden, which is owned by the tiny Queen's Park FC. The SFA has never had to spend real money on Hampden, which has soaked up about £70M of UK govt grants and lottery funding in the last 20 years. If it moved to Murrayfield the SFA would be a tenant of the SRFU, which virtually destroyed rugby union at a grassroots level in Scotland when it concentrated all its funding on redeveloping that stadium a few years back.

Hampden Park is in the middle of a city which is 4x bigger than Edinburgh. The majority of football supporters in Scotland live in the Glasgow area. There is nothing wrong with the stadium. The owner of the stadium is a tiny club which acts as a benevolent landlord to the governing body because it doesn't have any choice but to. If the SFA leaves Hampden then the stadium will probably become unviable for Queen's Park, who will no doubt sell it to a developer in due course.

The SRFU on the other hand wants a wealthy tenant for Murrayfield, and whilst this arrangement may suit both parties for now, they will no doubt fall out eventually, by which point Hampden may have been turned into flats, and Queen's Park FC may no longer exist.


No, I wouldn't recommend to anyone following a Scottish 'model' of sports development or administration.

..other than Judy Murray's method of recognising that a gangly boy in Dunblane had the potential to be a grand slam winner, and then moulding him into one.

Oh. What a surprise. The SFA is trying to screw Queen's Park. That explains everything.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6128351/amp/Lord-Haughey-offers-millions-secure-future-Hampden-Park.html
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on September 05, 2018, 11:02:56 am
We've signed Panagiotis Tachtsidis .  

https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2018/september/reds-sign-tachtsidis/
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on September 05, 2018, 11:04:39 am
We've signed Panagiotis Tachtsidis .  

Gesundheit

Now, who have we signed?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 05, 2018, 11:06:07 am
Gesundheit.
Gesundheit

Now, who have we signed?

 Annoying.  That's exactly what I was just typing.

I once went out with a Panagiota.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on September 05, 2018, 11:13:21 am
Wiki says "Panagiotis Tachtsidis is a particular type of player that needs to be accommodated into a specific system. Without being particularly athletic, the Greek international more than makes up for this with an exceptional range of passing"

Mint.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on September 05, 2018, 11:21:38 am
We've signed Panagiotis Tachtsidis .  

https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2018/september/reds-sign-tachtsidis/
When Kranky finally gets the bullet we are going to be left with some right sh!te.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: graham on September 05, 2018, 11:28:01 am
Wiki says "Panagiotis Tachtsidis is a particular type of player that needs to be accommodated into a specific system. ]Without being particularly athletic, the Greek international more than makes up for this with an exceptional range of passing"

Mint.

Bouchalakis Lite ?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 05, 2018, 11:28:23 am
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panagiotis_Tachtsidis
Panagiotis Tachtsidis is a particular type of player that needs to be accommodated into a specific system. Without being particularly athletic, the Greek international more than makes up for this with an exceptional range of passing.

Given the lack of movement around him, and from him, that's a hoof then?

How fortuitous that a club with whom we have a relationship just happened to cancel hiss contract, and we were able to pick him up on a free transfer. Thereby reducing our FFP footprint, and getting around the transfer window limit. hopfully there's some level of legal expertise somewhere at the club to make sure this is cushty.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 05, 2018, 11:37:53 am
Wiki says "Panagiotis Tachtsidis is a particular type of player that needs to be accommodated into a specific system. Without being particularly athletic, the Greek international more than makes up for this with an exceptional range of passing"

Mint.

Made even more bathetic by the clumsy machine-learning translation.

As you say: Mint.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 05, 2018, 11:39:14 am

Given the lack of movement around him, and from him, that's a hoof then?

How fortuitous that a club with whom we have a relationship just happened to cancel hiss contract, and we were able to pick him up on a free transfer. Thereby reducing our FFP footprint, and getting around the transfer window limit. hopfully there's some level of legal expertise somewhere at the club to make sure this is cushty.


This looks like a season finally coming together.

I love it when a plan comes together.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: graham on September 05, 2018, 11:43:00 am

Given the lack of movement around him, and from him, that's a hoof then?

How fortuitous that a club with whom we have a relationship just happened to cancel hiss contract, and we were able to pick him up on a free transfer. Thereby reducing our FFP footprint, and getting around the transfer window limit. hopfully there's some level of legal expertise somewhere at the club to make sure this is cushty.

Nicholas Randall QC. But you know that.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on September 05, 2018, 12:22:50 pm
It gets worse, he has put the word around in down town Athens that Forest are a soft touch and some of his mates are signing as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on September 05, 2018, 12:30:49 pm
It gets worse, he has put the word around in down town Athens that Forest are a soft touch and some of his mates are signing as well.

Have you got a mate with a holiday home in "down town" Athens. If so does he go home on a down town train? And if so with what frequency regarding to his evening commute? 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 05, 2018, 12:39:55 pm
. If so does he go home on a down town train?

If so, will you see him tonight?

Every night, every night
It's just the same.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on September 05, 2018, 01:13:56 pm
I just want to know how to say Tachtsidis.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on September 05, 2018, 01:15:44 pm
I think you need to be scouse to pronounce it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on September 05, 2018, 01:37:13 pm
It gets worse, he has put the word around in down town Athens that Forest are a soft touch and some of his mates are signing as well.

Even by your low standards this is a spectacular effort.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 05, 2018, 01:47:55 pm
It's a brilliant example of what we are dealing with.  There are a bunch of people for whom there is no winning an argument.  I don't know how they've got there, but there is absolutely no insight, or filter, or awareness of logical or societal constructs.

There is no point to informed debate....I've said before, we need a cull. Luckily what they are doing to the health service will likely darwin award them out of existence in significant numbers.

Or donny has found an insightful, connected, source in the Athens football community within the last 24 hours. Probably after meeting them in a caravan park. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: benningtonred on September 05, 2018, 02:06:35 pm
It gets worse, he has put the word around in down town Athens that Forest are a soft touch and some of his mates are signing as well.

I'd imagine that if there were people in Athens suggesting that a business run by EM was a soft touch, then we'd start to hear reports of numerous fires there too?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on September 05, 2018, 07:08:57 pm
From what I can glean online, this new fella is basically an upgraded version of Bouchalakis - slow, but experienced at a high level with great quick passing range, is physical and tall (which should help in both boxes) and is a good age (27). He is apparently a bit of a character, plays with a great deal of passion (happy to get stuck in) and has history as a party-animal off the field but has settled down in recent times, but was a victim of EM's cull of Olympiakos players at the tail end of last season.

Not seen him play in person mind, so he might be sh!t but his playing history doesn't suggest that and considering he is here on a free transfer, could actually turn out to be really good business - especially as the one thing we seem to lack in the side is height and physicality.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 05, 2018, 07:21:26 pm
....considering he is here on a free transfer, could actually turn out to be really good business....
What does that actually mean? You do know that generally if a player is out of contract their package is bumped? ...not paying a transfer fee doesn't mean that it's suddenly a low cost transaction. The market is generally at play here (unless there is some other factor at play like ownership of the player by a third party, a scam on image rights, or a write off from a club with a connection - all of which contravene current FIFA regulations).

Personally I wont be judging what sort of business it is until I've sen him play at the level, seen how often he makes the team, and know what sort of wage/bonus costs he's costing us.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on September 05, 2018, 07:28:30 pm
especially as the one thing we seem to lack in the side is height and physicality.

Is this sarcastic? We've a bunch of bloody big players now. It's the type that Karanka seems to like.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 05, 2018, 08:23:04 pm
Did you ever ask your mate what it's like playing home games in a 57000 capacity stadium with 2000 people watching?

I like Hampden. Only went once, to the 2014 Commonwealth Games. Really nice stadium. You could make a packet selling a site like that in an area like Mount Florida.
 They would be made up with 2000 - it's normally hundreds. Yes I did - may mate only got to reserve level, so it was one man and his dog territory (and if you saw him you'd think that is remarkable in it's own way. If anyone should have been a pro it was him - mentally never really wanted it though). It's weird, but it's what they know....they don't open most of the ground for a queens game (obviously).

Radio five have just been talking about Robertson - he's been made scotchland captain, apparently.  They were also talking about his amateur background at queens.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on September 05, 2018, 08:30:02 pm
Is this sarcastic? We've a bunch of bloody big players now. It's the type that Karanka seems to like.

You're kidding right? That simply isn't true - we have a pretty short squad and one area we are pretty weak in, is in the air, especially in midfield with pretty much our entire group of midfielders well under 6ft, aside from Gueddy (who is 6'1").  Our only outfield players who are over 6'2" are Dawson, Figgy and Hefele - none of whom have played much yet this season. And Murphy (at 6'2") who has. This guy is 6'4".

He could be sh!t in the air of course, but if he can turn his hand to defending set pieces, and attacking them at the other end then it would be a huge benefit.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on September 06, 2018, 09:39:31 am
Byram is back at West Ham out until next year. Serious injury.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on September 06, 2018, 11:32:57 am
We are after a player released by West Brom now, as well as another released by our Greek overlords main club. It's getting beyond a joke. How many players does Kranky want. He f*cking  struggles to pick eleven from the ones we have.The bloke is a f*cking desperate w@nker.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 06, 2018, 11:38:53 am
This isn't Donny. The syntax doesn't ring true. There would be sloppy punctuation, and Donny didn't know how/care to use apostrophes.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on September 06, 2018, 11:46:46 am
This isn't Donny. The syntax doesn't ring true. There would be sloppy punctuation, and Donny didn't know how/care to use apostrophes.
it is me JP and I'm firmly in the Kranky out mob. Even Twitter is full of disbelief over this and many "in Kranky we trust " support are steaming.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 06, 2018, 11:51:06 am
Give over.

This is what the post says about Claudio Yacob.
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-close-argentine-midfielder-1976511
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on September 06, 2018, 11:53:20 am
it is me JP and I'm firmly in the Kranky out mob. Even Twitter is full of disbelief over this and many "in Kranky we trust " support are steaming.

Well, if Twitter is full of disbelief....
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 06, 2018, 11:55:59 am
Donny's hit upon something here.

Can we measure if twitter is 'full' of something? Or 'two-thirds'? If you could, I bet you could make a mint flogging it to someone.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on September 06, 2018, 11:59:42 am
FFS Donny, if you judge everything by what's being posted on twitter there is no hope for you, regardless of whether or not you learn how to use apostrophes.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on September 06, 2018, 12:03:04 pm
FFS Donny, if you judge everything by what's being posted on twitter there is no hope for you, regardless of whether or not you learn how to use apostrophes.
I don't judge anything by Twitter, I hardly read it. I just saw Paul Taylors post and the comments.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on September 06, 2018, 01:02:56 pm
Please give up now, please.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on September 06, 2018, 01:27:06 pm
The whole how may players can we get into our squad thing is getting a bit silly now.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 06, 2018, 01:32:37 pm
You're kidding right? That simply isn't true - we have a pretty short squad and one area we are pretty weak in, is in the air, especially in midfield with pretty much our entire group of midfielders well under 6ft, aside from Gueddy (who is 6'1").  Our only outfield players who are over 6'2" are Dawson, Figgy and Hefele - none of whom have played much yet this season. And Murphy (at 6'2") who has. This guy is 6'4".

He could be sh!t in the air of course, but if he can turn his hand to defending set pieces, and attacking them at the other end then it would be a huge benefit.

The size of the player is irrelevant.  He can be short and strong.  Most of the best players in the world are not giants.  Karanka just wants bulky loads who can't run or jump.  This is the kind of football constipation that I despise.   I made up my mind about him ages ago.  He is an ill fit for Forest and will bore everyone to death.  Getting more and more players in when the ones we have can be coached says it all.  Bridgett and Yates are good footballers.  Yates also is a big boy.  Playing with pace and purpose would be lovely and it is achievable if pants doesn't fcuking hoof the ball miles in the air and the forward up front isn't isolated.

For the life of me I cannot understand that professional footballers can't be coached to possess the ball.  Move one touch.  Also I know it's a bad comparison but Wenger (for all his faults) and Pep tell the players especially in midfield when you receive the ball always look up field and not back.  Going backwards which cause pressure to be exerted on your own team.  Also those said managers said the teammates are obligated to find space to allow options for the receiving midfielder to press forward.  it's pretty simple really. 

Passing sideways endlessly and having no one coming short and the other going wide or long as an extra option makes us horribly static.  The ability to pass to feet is very evident too.  Also the only three players who look up when they get the ball are Cash, Gueddy and Osborn.  I like Lolley but he plays with his head down.  Against Wigan he ran down the wing and passed to absolutely no-one without even bothering to look up.  Hoof hoof hoof.  It's sh!t.  

Football is a simple game and when done properly is amazing.  The best coaches look at solutions to improve play.  Hence they are called coaches.  Kranky isn't a coach.  He's a manager with no plan other than an attritional one.  Throttle the play and try and pinch one at the end.  Our players cannot play with freedom and are always under pressure.  And where the fcuk is the high press?  Other teams Preston and Leeds are very good at it and kill us with it.  Our squad was meant to be built for that.  Only one player (again our yoof), Cash attempts this.

Also not a chance that is Donny.  It looks like half the time JP and JP are talking to each other (just one of them are in disguise).

I cannot wait to see what the team is when we get back from the international break.  I wonder if it will include watson and Colback again?


Chicago: Predicting the future. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 06, 2018, 01:37:30 pm
I see no actual evidence at this point, but I shall prepare a frothing at the mouth opinion, ready. Just in case.

Quote
[draft]It seems that the current hierarchy at the club is keen to uphold and celebrate the history of the club.  At least the recent one of being a f*cking joke.

If we are using sharp practices to avoid FFP censure, this is entirely the right way to go about making sure that someone somewhere is eventually forced to not keep turning a blind eye to it and investigate.[/draft]
 
 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 06, 2018, 01:41:13 pm

The strategy is get players in for free and then sell them on for a fee.  See Kapino.   I wonder if Olympiakos paid anything for Bouch?  He was under contract wasn't he so I guess they must of in theory.  I bet these new players will come in play a few games and then next summer go for a fee.  I see what the Greeks are doing.  It doesn't help the football on the field though.  It is still w@nk.



Chicago: Financial expert. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on September 06, 2018, 01:42:53 pm
My former colleague, a Baggies fan, on Yacob...

He's a holding midfielder - a limited player but with real discipline - a bit like a poor man's Makelele. He can't cover much distance, isn't great on the ball under pressure and can only play in a 5-man midfield... but in the right role in the right team could still be effective.

Liam Bridcutt must have seriously upset Kranky because he can do all of those things, and well too.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dj bobbins on September 06, 2018, 02:20:58 pm
"He can't cover much distance".



Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 06, 2018, 02:54:35 pm
He'll go well with the "not very athletic" Greek bloke we signed yesterday. We've now got loads of midfielders around the 30 year old mark.

It has been said, on here, that as we now have a DoF  (or something akin to) it won't matter too much if the manager changes regularly. It's a relief to know that having a midfield full of old blokes is part of a considered long term strategy.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 06, 2018, 03:03:11 pm
On the plus side, that quick manager turnover (favoured by the owner), means that a couple of managers will get to wrangle this aging squad before they are completely useless.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 06, 2018, 03:16:32 pm

Fcuk it.  We might as well sign John Terry whilst we are at it as he has decided he wants to play one more season.




Chicago: Older. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on September 06, 2018, 03:17:21 pm
And play him in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 06, 2018, 03:33:32 pm
He looks sprightly compared to some of our first choices in that area.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: SWT on September 06, 2018, 04:09:34 pm
West Brom are supposedly linked with our DoF. It doesn't look to me as if he is in full control of recruitment, but he worked with the Watford owners before, so he has some experience of a similar model. If he were to leave, I'd be concerned.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 06, 2018, 05:27:00 pm
Why? What the f*ck is he doing that looks any good?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 06, 2018, 05:41:15 pm
West Brom are supposedly linked with our DoF. It doesn't look to me as if he is in full control of recruitment, but he worked with the Watford owners before, so he has some experience of a similar model. If he were to leave, I'd be concerned.

We can just appoint another one.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: east end tree on September 06, 2018, 07:17:40 pm
We can just appoint another one.
And play him in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: SWT on September 06, 2018, 07:42:59 pm
Why? What the f*ck is he doing that looks any good?

It would be more to do with me thinking that he's not happy with interference in that case. Who would take over, and how much influence would they have anyway?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 06, 2018, 07:54:26 pm
It would be more to do with me thinking that he's not happy with interference in that case. Who would take over, and how much influence would they have anyway?

Let's think. There's regular flow between NFFC and Olympiacos, and the manager is represented by a Portugese agent who seems to have the ear of the owner.

In a sense the DoF role appears redundant. But it's good of Mr Marinakis to create further employment opportunities.

If only the chairman might surface now and again to tell us what the plan is.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: dunc on September 06, 2018, 08:05:37 pm
Give over.

This is what the post says about Claudio Yacob.
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-close-argentine-midfielder-1976511

(likely) 3 more players on free transfers. Kranky’s efforts brought to mind a send up of the “You are the ref” cartoon strip in Viz, ages ago. The scenario where the linesman has spotted that one of the teams has snuck 36 players onto the pitch
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on September 06, 2018, 08:06:53 pm
Wasn't the correct answer always c) award an indirect free kick against Carlton Palmer?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on September 06, 2018, 09:23:07 pm
We’ve signed some very good players, I’m just not sure Karanka knows how to play them.

I love this analysis of Yacub (from a Baggies fan on Twitter)

“Imagine a figurine on a table football game - slide him back and forth along the width of the pitch. Smasher, hacker, liberator of defenders, short-passer, occasional sh*t-houser. Territorial. Concedes occasional careless free-kicks.  You'll absolutely love the bloke.“
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on September 06, 2018, 10:01:31 pm
So we've got seven defensive midfielders competing for two places now? What?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 06, 2018, 10:17:37 pm
If anything it's an even more extreme version of what I predicted, and exactly what I didn't want for my club.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 06, 2018, 10:24:38 pm
So we've got seven defensive midfielders competing for two places now? What?

Do you remember when Megoo was playing approximately 7 defenders in the starting side?

Yes. I do too.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Lessred on September 06, 2018, 10:38:39 pm
If only we could dream of recreating that success.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: garf on September 06, 2018, 11:28:04 pm
Donny's hit upon something here.

Can we measure if twitter is 'full' of something? Or 'two-thirds'? If you could, I bet you could make a mint flogging it to someone.

Like Wee Smog is doing with Brexit?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on September 07, 2018, 04:21:40 pm
Have been busy today - so....trying to get up to speed. Who have we signed today?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Loafé on September 08, 2018, 10:49:41 am
Mike Hunt.

Has anyone seen Mike Hunt?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 08, 2018, 11:15:26 am
Loads of people I imagine. Tramp.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 09, 2018, 02:24:43 pm
Looks like we are after Sako now to go with the Iranian.

Does Kranky do modern art and hope that his paint pot against the wall style gets a hit?

I like Sako but I would imagine being told to stand still probably won’t jive with him too much.


Chicago:  Art critic.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 09, 2018, 02:53:37 pm
Any idea who is Sako's agent?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on September 09, 2018, 05:50:45 pm
I saw two old men having a kick about on the beach yesterday. I was tempted to ring Kranky I'm f*cking certain he would have signed up them.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: redeye on September 09, 2018, 05:58:38 pm
What is perfectly clear is that the squad isn't good enough.

We need to sign more players, simple as that.

......  ....  ....What?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on September 10, 2018, 02:17:36 am
he would have signed up them.

He would have done what? Can you please make at least a cursory attempt at basic literacy?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on September 10, 2018, 07:27:19 am
It was a typo we are not all perfect like you, f*cking conceited Canadian c*nt.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on September 10, 2018, 07:56:27 am
There's a lot more typos this last week since someone pointed out you'd suddenly become editor of The Times.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 10, 2018, 02:46:38 pm

This Donny is not even the real Donny.  Old Donny was amusing because he obviously didn't have a grasp of anything past 1980.  This one knows too much but makes an attempt to write funny because people were doubting his validity.  Bring back the real one.  Can anybody offer him a caravan in his back garden and a Ticket to the odd Rotherham or Doncaster game with a quick flutter on the horses to keep him occupied until there is a Forest game he can complain about.  Although watching Kranky wheel out his horrid tactics has put me firmly in the out camp and I agree that grumbling is called for.  Just with a little less diction....



Chicago: Authentic. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 14, 2018, 11:05:36 am
An honourable mention for our de facto DoF/chief scout in this article:

West Ham’s David Gold says agents are ‘sucking tons of money’ out of football

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/13/west-ham-david-gold-agents-money-football-fifa-uefa
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jose M on September 14, 2018, 02:52:19 pm

Did the rich the clubs themselves cause this situation?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: donnyred on September 14, 2018, 04:11:57 pm
I read somewhere or heard somewhere that Pogba's agent got f
£40 million of his transfer fee. That sounds very excessive if true.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on September 14, 2018, 04:41:46 pm
Lots of news type rumours you seem to getting these days Donny.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 14, 2018, 05:18:59 pm
I read somewhere or heard somewhere that Pogba's agent got f
£40 million of his transfer fee. That sounds very excessive if true.

Maybe in the, er, article I linked.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on September 16, 2018, 10:08:49 am
We've apparently enquired about taking Jason Puncheon on loan from Palace in January. Although that's come from Alan Nixon on the Tw@tter, so make of it what you will.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 16, 2018, 02:23:14 pm
The only way in which the squad is looking thin, is in the average age of it, and thus the ability of it to retain hair.

A quick trawl, of the bookies odds, suggest we are appearing in the 8-12th sort of range.  Which would imply that fans expectations (in terms of placing money on it) have subsided to a reasonable level.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 16, 2018, 03:11:47 pm
The only way in which the squad is looking thin, is in the average age of it, and thus the ability of it to retain hair.

A quick trawl, of the bookies odds, suggest we are appearing in the 8-12th sort of range.  Which would imply that fans expectations (in terms of placing money on it) have subsided to a reasonable level.

Once again: Marinakis is unlikely to find that range acceptable, rightly or wrongly.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 16, 2018, 03:51:42 pm
I know.

My belief is that there is an unreasonable expectation of what is possible in a short time scale, without investing in a longer term iterative process of gradual improvement.

What we have, and will do, is spunk excessive money, in one short blow at success, and then wonder why we haven't achieved it without developing the necessary depth and breadth of skillsets.

My hope is to signpost this process at every turn, so that when at the end of it someone says "well, what else could we do, nobody could have predicted that outcome" there is a reasonable documented rebuttal of that view.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on September 16, 2018, 04:28:01 pm
Don't worry Tricky, we know you are, it's getting frankly boring. Especially when most people agree with you.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 16, 2018, 06:38:55 pm
Qantas.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 16, 2018, 07:31:29 pm
Anyway we have signed the Iranian.  No sign of Sako anywhere so I guess we can put a fork in that one.

Only 17 players signed in this transfer window.  Bloody rubbish we need 21.



Chicago:  Bean counter. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on September 17, 2018, 08:48:27 am
Anyway we have signed the Iranian.  No sign of Sako anywhere so I guess we can put a fork in that one.

Only 17 players signed in this transfer window.  Bloody rubbish we need 21.



Chicago:  Bean counter. 

Not seen anything on the OS yet?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Richoriginal on September 17, 2018, 08:52:31 am

Only 17 players signed in this transfer window.  


Is that true? Mentalism.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seven on September 17, 2018, 12:51:49 pm
And 20 out?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on September 17, 2018, 01:19:43 pm
And 20 out?

Paul Taylor wrote something last week (can't find it now on the site) where he talked about that fact that in all the chatter about incoming signings, and the large number of them, the amount of departures has been lost slightly.

The general line of the article was that the number of incoming signings was closely matched by the outgoing players, and whatever your thoughts on that, it wasn't accurate to describe the squad as top-heavy.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 20, 2018, 06:26:11 pm
Worrall gets a starting place v Villareal.  Rangers fans on Twitter querying this selection.

Unfortunately for them the Hun are already 1 nil down.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 20, 2018, 06:42:40 pm
Worrall gets a starting place v Villareal.  Rangers fans on Twitter querying this selection.

Unfortunately for them the Hun are already 1 nil down.

Wow. Referee must be in a hurry. He blew for half time on the stroke of 45 mins. Can't remember the last time I saw that.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 21, 2018, 02:15:29 pm

The Iranian has signed but for the life of me I don't know the delay.  Maybe Rich B and his anti Muslim militia are protesting the airports..  In other disappointing news Wet Brom look like signing Sako.  This though if Kranky didn't hate yoof would provide us with the opportunity of bringing back a certain Oliver Burke.  Psychobel might cream his knickers.....

If I was at Forest I would go for Burke and Ollie Watkins at Brentford (assuming I was allowed to piss money up the wall), and sign Janko on a permanent...   He does look a player...


Chicago: Going all fantasy...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on September 21, 2018, 02:19:41 pm
The Iranian has signed but for the life of me I don't know the delay

You said that on September 16 also. Are you just going to keep saying it until it's true? What's the source?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: DaveM on September 21, 2018, 06:33:45 pm
You said that on September 16 also. Are you just going to keep saying it until it's true? What's the source?

Chic always does that. I can only assume it's off some twitter post, as there is nothing in the usual media

[checks twitter]

15 mins ago, someone posted the Nottinghamshire Live link to Karankas post-match comments where he said he didn't know what was happening with the new striker but if he joined it would be 'perfect', and the title of the article is...

"Karim Ansarifard 'will' arrive at Nottingham Forest, says Aitor Karanka"

Of course he says nothing of the sort in the article.

But I guess thats where the expectation comes from
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 21, 2018, 06:56:53 pm
I hope we have a better accountant than we did under Fawaz (preferably one that actually keeps the, err, books). In the light of our determination to sign people out of contract, who have previously until very recently been employed by our owners other club. Apparently in clear defiance of the transfer window rules, and considering Russ's news report of today then we will need either some very myopic investigators at the EPL (always a good chance that there's no one there with any skill or diligence), or a large percentage of ownership of bakeries from key officials.

Whatever any outcome my extra steps towards full disengagement gather pace. I just find it impossible to connect emotionally with a first team 'built' this way. It really is dumbed down champ manager stuff.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 21, 2018, 06:57:46 pm
Hence that is why the thread title is transfer and rumors.  Anyway the Greek journo’s have said he’s signed with us as have the Iranian press after his last international.  He has EU status because he is married to a Greek and err maybe he’s moving house and finding it difficult to make it past the Brexiteers at the airport with their Tiki torches. 

Or maybe he turned up, signed met Karanka (the Spanish are notorious Racists) and decided that he made a mistake and won’t give Marinakis his money back.

Anyway I say he’s ours.  Although the football league maybe delaying him joining the team due to us getting him after the transfer deadline (even though Olympiacos said that it was before....) etc etc.  maybe we are not Watford.  Maybe the bloke from Watford (the sporting director who being courted by Wet Brom) decoded that the West Midlands would be more welcoming with it’s heavy metal background and lovely urban decay.

Anyway I stand behind my statement.  You’ll see with your accusations that you are the one who is wrong you faux Newport town and Swansea fan.  Get a new Carpet!  The last one can’t absorb the blood anymore you murderous stat obsessed weirdo.

Besides I have an Iranian who used to play on my team that says the U.K. Are keeping the nuclear deal together and its okay to play in Britain.

Chicago:  Screaming for a striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Loafé on September 21, 2018, 07:16:54 pm
What the sh!tting hell is this maniac on about?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Chicago on September 21, 2018, 07:33:26 pm
What the sh!tting hell is this maniac on about?

If only you read English...  (and possibly more than one post).


Chicago:  Agent of change.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 22, 2018, 01:27:45 pm
What the sh!tting hell is this maniac on about?

There's an Iranian player who may be coming on loan but he may not be and he hasn't arrived yet.

He might become one of those legendary Forest players that we are always in for/about to sign, but never quite arrives.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on September 22, 2018, 01:50:54 pm
The Darren Pratley de nos jours.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on September 22, 2018, 01:57:15 pm
The Darren Pratley de nos jours.

That's the one. I couldn't remember his name.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on September 25, 2018, 08:30:29 am
It appears our long-term, strategic DoF is pissing off to West Brom after seven months.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on September 25, 2018, 08:34:00 am
Interested to hear Russ's take on this - strategically speaking.

How are we doing on finding the next portuguese speaking manager? Deadline looming
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Jüânfrân on September 25, 2018, 08:11:49 pm
We've appointed former FA talent ID Manager Daniel Dodds as head of academy recruitment instead.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Seán on October 01, 2018, 09:43:14 pm
We've apparently brought in a new Head Scout, as well. Which is nice. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on October 01, 2018, 09:54:04 pm
A scout called Hunt. How appropriate.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: steve on October 02, 2018, 08:53:50 am
Job titles could mean anything really but it's interesting to be replacing a Technical Director with a Head Scout. Did the Technical Director leave so quickly because it became apparent that the model was proving to be more of a traditional Scout than a strategic role?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on October 02, 2018, 08:58:27 am
It's also strange because we've already got a head scout. Jorge Mendes. He's excellent at scouting his own players.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on October 02, 2018, 09:00:50 am
Back to our favourite feeder club, allegedly.

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/posh/posh-latest-forest-fancy-marriott-as-well-as-maddison-1-8453246

Has the Peterborough guy d*rby signed even played yet??
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: charlie on October 02, 2018, 09:03:48 am
Job titles could mean anything really but it's interesting to be replacing a Technical Director with a Head Scout. Did the Technical Director leave so quickly because it became apparent that the model was proving to be more of a traditional Scout than a strategic role?

I am pretty sure I read somewhere that Hunt is not a replacement for Dowling.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: tricky on October 02, 2018, 09:45:59 am
Scouting is very important at a club and serves many functions (opposition, match). Clearly not the same job function.

What appointing a Head Scout at this point highlights is how undeveloped the actual club structure is. As much as losing the director of football, or whatever, does. At least with this level of clear evidence Russ can put his ill formed optimism to be. Our success rests on the shoulders of Kranky, Mendes, and whoever Marinakis feels like cancelling their olympiakos contact (before the EFL clamp down on it).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: BrettWilliams on October 02, 2018, 10:33:57 am
Has the Peterborough guy d*rby signed even played yet??

Scored at Old Trafford last week.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on October 10, 2018, 05:27:29 pm
Proper man's football! Grrr!

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/championship-toughest-league-world-michael-2094084
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on October 11, 2018, 09:47:11 pm
Proper man's football! Grrr!

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/championship-toughest-league-world-michael-2094084

My man crush grows, if he could get sent off a couple of times for doing something brave but stupid and also end up in the papers for drunken antics I'd be at risk of a semi.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on October 11, 2018, 10:45:47 pm
Breaking Keogh's legs in the last minute when we're 3-0 up should do the trick.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Russ on October 11, 2018, 10:51:48 pm
Breaking Keogh's legs in the last minute when we're 3-0 up should do the trick.

Why would you want to help d*rby become better?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on October 11, 2018, 10:55:28 pm
The possibility occurred to me, but it's still Keogh.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Nottingham Florist on October 12, 2018, 10:07:26 am
It's not very nice to wish someone's legs broken.

I prefer to witness the emotional despair and professional humiliation of Keogh f*cking up in the last minute to lose an important game.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Ingo on October 12, 2018, 10:42:21 am
Did you learn nothing from World Mental Health Day you mong?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: Dave Rave on October 12, 2018, 11:49:06 am
It's not very nice to wish someone's legs broken.

I prefer to witness the emotional despair and professional humiliation of Keogh f*cking up in the last minute to lose an important game.

Followed by him twisting an ankle as he slumps to the turf in despair?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: jp on October 12, 2018, 11:54:06 am
I hope he bumps his funny bone.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 transfers and rumours
Post by: JimShady on October 16, 2018, 08:50:54 pm
Goncalves has scored an excellent goal tonight