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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Rotheringthem.
Last post by Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon -
The figuring out how to counter this approach is really simple. Play a modern movement style of football, instead of a regressive static containing game.

Your problem? The way the team is being coached.

I can't be reading this right.

Because you seem to be implying that the "park the bus" approach never works against Barcelona, Man City, Liverpool etc.

Greece winning the Euros is some time ago but to pretend that it's now as simple as a "modern movement style" always overcoming packed defences is bizarre.

FWIW, I'd always play Lolley in these games. Simply because he's the most likely we've got to beat a man and/or get fouled in the attempt and those are the likeliest routes to chances and goals.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: What I have learned today
Last post by karlmark -
Someone whose weirdly militant ideas deny them tiramisu deserves only my sympathy, not my scorn.

Yuck. If I want to taste coffee, I'll drink coffee. It's too strong a flavour for anything else and doesn't combine well with anything sweet. Coffee is great because not only is it tasty (on its own of course), but it's functional providing a great boost. Now, a good espresso after a meal is fantastic. Then again, I'm not really a pudding person anyway.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Rotheringthem.
Last post by Rich B -
If you don’t score early against a team that has come for a draw and has parked the bus then it gets progressively harder to break them down.

We are an evolving team in the second class of English football not flipping Barcelona. You have to be very careful about blowing the bugle for tally ho football as it sometimes leaves you open for counter attacks.

We did fine, we kept pressing and got our rewards.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff
Last post by Rich B -
Ok, so your logic is that if people are prepared to protest against a vote they 'lost', then why don't these same hypocrites do the same when their party loses the General Election?

You are on dangerous ground here. For a start, the difference with protesting against Brexit is because it is a supposedly final political event which once done, can never be un-done. Given the finality of this and the complete lack of direction and progress being made by the Government coupled with an impending irreversible plunge off a cliff, people become passionate about their country, their childrens future and social/economic prosperity and want to have their say whilst they still can and there is still time for (in their view) common sense to return to the nation.

Elections however are every few years and therefore a losing party gets the chance to rebuild and go-again in the next one, therefore there is no time-boxed need for people to have their say and there are mechanisms within the party(s) for this to happen without the need for protests.

So totally different things.

But on the subject, if you flip it around.... If you see the Brexit vote as a very similar nationwide-poll to the General Election (which you seem to), and are scorning those who are railing against the result of one and not the other, it's worth considering that in a GE, the public get a right 4/5 years later to think again and vote again. Based on new data (living standards, economy, health etc) prior-voters of the ruling party may re-consider their position and for those previously on a losing side they get a chance to correct things by winning this time.

That is democracy in action.

But you actually feel that Brexit is different. Nobody on the 'losing side' can have any further say in things, and those who previously voted for the 'winning side' cannot have a voice to express any reconsideration based on progress made to deliver a safe and 'prosperous' Brexit. When people explain that so much information (or lack of it) is now well documented, that any deal cobbled together will not represent what any one leave voter actually wanted in totality, they are told they are being 'Undemocratic' and ignoring the 'Will of the people' (well half of them)....

No, it's the leave lobby and the politicians who are haplessly flailing around to deliver Brexit that are being undemocratic. Refusing an opportunity for the public to ratify the final deal is a dereliction of duty by our so-called leaders.

I doubt there is an appetite in any party for the last GE to be the last, and the Conservatives stay in power indefinitely. It seems natural that no-one would think that people shouldn't have the right to reconsider their vote about our national government every few years, however perplexing that many of these same people are hell-bent on preventing a rubber-stamp public vote on the final deal, in case the public have the temerity to reconsider their vote based on new information. Totally utterly unfathomable.

So are you saying we don't deport any illegal immigrants currently, but we will suddenly be able to after next March?

I suspect the sinister last sentence you typed implied that we can treat other humans poorly if they don't 'belong here', conjuring up mental images of kangaroo courts, human rights abuse, guantanamo-style camps to hold foreigners with the police/military given carte-blanche on what they do to them when in there, rounding up 'suspected' illegal immigrants en masse with the aid of batons and tasers, then presumably driving or dumping these perps either back to their sh!tty third-world county or presumably just dumping them in the North Sea somewhere.

When we say 'illegal immigrants', I'm sure you are basically just focusing on the brown, black or religiously different people. You may not label yourself as a racist, but I see no real evidence to the contrary in anything you type.

Actually, I bet if you compare the No of EU Immigrants claiming long term UK benefits with no prior UK employment history (ie. the ones you could reasonably argue are impacting negatively) against the No of UK nationals claiming UK benefits with little or no desire or inclination to find a job, I suspect the latter would outweigh the former massively.

And we are already a sovereign nation governed by ourselves.

It's already included in their PAYE, as National Insurance. Just like every citizen pays to fund the NHS.

And don't kid yourself that you care about the NHS, because if you did you would see the damage Brexit will do to it... Mass loss of skilled resource, inability to recruit numbers required for critical functions, regulatory problems delaying drug approvals or availability, reduced innovation and pressure in future due to the phenomenal cost of both the Brexit negotiations and any divorce-fee being paid, to cut funding and services sooner. We could rapidly move towards a more-US-style private health system with companies - many of them owned overseas - will have a field day. Quality of health services could become variable or non-existent for many, whilst the cost of healthcare will rise dramatically for those who have a regular income (which may already be under pressure due to rising prices and an economy in recession).

Yes yes project fear etc etc. But the above scenario is scarily possible, whether it's 1 year or 10 years from now. And you think the minute number of illegal immigrants scamming the system are the main problem. No, it is this destructive Brexit you are advocating that is the single biggest risk to the health service.

So please don't say you care about it, or if you do - take time to think about possible risks and opportunities for all eventualities and unless you are steadfastly refusing to budge from a 'leave' line of reasoning, you will see an overwhelming argument for stopping the current process and re-assessing.
I voted leave and would leave again. If democracy and the will of the people doesn’t meet your requirements then feel free to go live in your darling EU with your unelected overlords.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: The new fitness thread
Last post by Prof. Kingo of Hull -
8 laps each in total, 240km in total so about 50 miles each, 30th out of small teams (up to 5, we were a 3) from a field of 160. I've just had a much needed 12hrs kip. I now ache like f*ck, the balls of my feet are sore and I can't more my neck from what must be scanning the ground with a head torch. I think once was enough for that event, I'm unlikely to beat that distance.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: What's amusing me today
Last post by noodlé -
The invention of the wheeled suitcase was the most reckless act in human history. It allows people to overpack and carry twice their own weight in unnecessary clothing. 

That ability was always there, the wheeled suitcase merely extended it to those who couldn't afford an immigrant child to carry it for them. Progress is a bitch.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Rotheringthem.
Last post by Nottingham Florist -
When the man with the ball looks up, there's nobody to pass to. They take up positions. But there's relatively few runs or little movement. It's 'ull. All a bit grindy. Focus on not getting over committed.

It's very clearly not getting the best out of what we have.

If you can honestly see a plan as to how we set up to play you are a visionary, or possibly just imagining things. Don't get it wide and look for delivery, we don't work the channels. Honestly, with your coaching head on - what is the plan?

We did it against Wednesday.
We couldn’t do it against Rotherham. (Although Carvalho continually set off on runs only to watch Watson or Hefele play it sideways..)
That suggests to me we are an evolving team, not yet good enough, or fatigued, rather than necessarily a team with no plan.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: What's amusing me today
Last post by charlie -
The invention of the wheeled suitcase was the most reckless act in human history. It allows people to overpack and carry twice their own weight in unnecessary clothing. There should be a law that says you can only be in possession of a case you can actually carry.