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Messages - karlmark

The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: What's amusing me today
It's not though, is it? It's funny, but it's not really comparable at all. Because in that example everyone knows that building a submarine out of cheese makes no sense, whereas in the real world lots of people still think that leaving the EU is a good idea.

I think the point is that Brexit is an article of faith rather than anything of substance. You could just as easily have compared it to religion or a conspiracy theory. Even though the cheese submarine is leaking facts left, right and centre, we are still pressed by mature Brexiters to believe that the future will be fantastic because the idea of a cheese submarine is inspiring. We may think it's crackers, but what's the gouda?
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Here is the news
This is quite a story.

Labour has tabled an urgent question to the govt on it.

You can bet this won't be the only such scheme.

Yes, it broke a few days ago. Doesn't seem to have been picked up by anyone else though; goings on in Westminster have understandably hogged the headlines, but if true then it's quite a scandal.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Pantommime Joke Du Jour
I like pantomimes. The main one in Edinburgh is a great tradition, and usually excellent because of the people who do it year after year . This year's production is a triumph, according to the critics, and my daughter .

It's a fun day out with the kids. The Reading one has been very good in recent years, mainly because of the excellent dame and Justin Fletcher who is an instant hit with all kids (and very good at delivering the crap puns).
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff
My MP is called Julie. She's a Liberal (the current government) and seems very nice. I've never met her but she left me a card in my mailbox a little while back to say that she'd called but I was out. She seems like a bit of a hippie.

I post a card with my picture on it. Who wouldn't want to be greeted by a picture of me when they walk through the door?
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff
Hot news this, Art. Our dog's never been abroad but I don't want to see her deprived of the opportunity. In other Southwell/Brexit news, I've defaced the Christmas card from our MP which featured a serene view of the House of Commons.

Our dog's been abroad and he loved it. On a related note, he also loves receiving leaflets from our MP (Redwood); there's something about his face that the dog really loves to attack...
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff
Once again. We work together to accomplish the exit strategy not unilaterally leave as you lot keep harping on about.

But what is that strategy? We're bound by existing agreements which are deeply complex and have financial implications. It would be easy to walk away, but there would be consequences. So, how do you go about extricating the country from the agreements in a simple, quick and cost-effective manner?
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff
Oh FFS Tricky. It isn't impossible to leave this abominable fascist state and you know it.

Won't be easy but would be less hard without project fear and the remainers not whining on and on and on and on

Actually, it would be very easy to just walk away as some espouse. The problem is (leaving aside possible economic consequences), if we renege on all our commitments and legal obligations, how would we go about negotiating all of the trade deals that are an integral part of the bright new future? Why would any government take our word for anything in the future? All credibility would be shot.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff
I met him in a professional capacity a long time ago. He's a very likeable, in person. Very bright. Centre left. He's an obvious party leader. There's not a huge amount of competition either.

Yes, I found him very engaging. He made a point of coming round to every table and having a chat with everyone and was quite candid in his comments. Also a very good lawyer I believe?
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff

Things are likely to shift leftwards.  The old process was that left wing students and young adults become more right wing as they get older and achieve their middle class aspirations.  Trouble is, all the money's been taken out of the middle classes over the last 30 years, so I suspect fewer will drift to the right.  At least, I hope so.

The old adage of people shifting right as they aged can only hold true so long as they are increasing their wealth and status as they move through life. Given that many routes to comfortable middle class have been removed or made much more difficult, you are less likely to see an aging population shifting rightwards (by which I mean the traditional right). However, there will be a shift towards the far-right if prospects are not improved and easy scapegoats are identified. If Brexit does go through, then that removes one of the scapegoats; it doesn't take a genuis to see what the next scapegoat would be.

The constant coverage of Farage, Banks and now Tommy Robinson (along with Trump of course) slowly normalises what would once have been seen as well beyond the pale. Several Tories have been complicit in this shift (BJ with his description of the EU as Nazis and  using terrorist analogies to describe the Irish Border question), indeed they have met with Steve Bannon which coincides with BJ's ever more belligerent statements.

We are on a slippery slope along with all western democracies and the danger signs are there. One question which nobody on the Remain side seems to be asking is what happens if the EU does start to implode? This may have seemed inconceivable just a few years ago, but the rise of an extremist government in Italy and large gains for extremists in other countries will place increasing pressure on the status quo. Next year we have European elections, and far-right parties are expected to make huge gains resulting in a parliament with a strong far-right presence. The EU has been making largely the same mistakes as sovereign governments and will likely pay the same price when it comes to elections.

For those who rejoice in the pressure on the EU, you have to ask what they think the end-game will be. A belligerent Russia to the East, China rising in power all the time, and an isolationist US is a toxic mix. Putin continues to undermine countries on the western border (straight from the Hitler playbook in Czechoslovakia)  and if he were to march in Estonia (as an example) in order to save the Russian majority in border areas is NATO in any position to respond?