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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff
That's the nature of politics, isn't it?

Nothing in the selection and election process is designed to produce good leaders and decision makers.  The process is designed to produce those that are good at being elected regardless of their ability to do the job once they've got it.

There's certainly an argument to made along those lines. Is it a coincidence that the quality of politicians seems to have declined at the same time as media exposure has increased? Blair and Cameron represent the pinnacle of this to date. In Blair's defence he did achieve some good things whereas Cameron was an unmitigated disaster, but Cameron did take on board everything that Blair did in terms of media management and image.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff
Party Political Broadcast (the Matt Forde podcast) is with Naomi Smith of (off) Best for Britain and Remainiacs. It's really interesting. And @karlmark she talks about how the data they use (they use the same MPV system which is the only one that correctly predicted the 2017 snap election, Trump & the midterms) shows that if Labour backed Remain they would win a GE.

Highly recommend listening.

I have seen something along those lines before. There's nothing I'd like more than an election with a straight fight between the Tories promising Brexit with continued austerity and Labour backing Remain with a pledge to actually invest some money. It's a pipe dream I know, but it's what the vast majority of members want.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff
There's a lot of noise over the SNC Lavalin affair, but when you dig into what actually happened it boils down to "boss didn't like employee's decision, asked her to reconsider it, she refused, the end". I'm honestly not sure what will happen in the election later this year; I think that the Liberals reneging on their promise of electoral reform will hurt them more than the SNC business. Fragmentation of the opposition will help a bit, but they also stand to lose voters on the left to the NDL as well as on the right to the Conservatives. Hopefully the Conservatives will lose on their right to the PPC, but not sufficiently to actually give those f*cking wingnuts a voice.

We definitely have a louder far right voice than we used to, much like most Western countries do at the moment, but none of them are really anywhere near being elected. Faith Goldy made a lot of noise about running for Mayor of Toronto but came a very, very distant third with around 3% of the vote; Maxime Bernier's PPC is far right by our standards, but still to the left of the US Republican party. Doug Ford is an idiot but probably not a racist.

Thanks; interesting to hear the point of view from someone who lives there rather than reading about it. What about Trudeau himself? The impression I get is that he is all image and no action.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff


I disagree. f*ckwittery is the biggest issue. The whole point about social cooperation is that I shouldn't have to micro manage every aspect without it all going to sh!t. I've got enough on as it is, thank you very much.

I did my fair share when I was young. If I genuinely feel I have to actively intervene, at this stage of my life, then there's a whole bunch of problems that we have. None of which I can solve.

I currently have as much interest of being politically active, as any electorate would have of voting for me once the sun was done with me.

As for me talking to people. My general experience is that doesn't end well for either party. Might be best left alone.

I think your last point is probably the key one; picturing you dealing with some of the people I've come across is quite amusing.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff
Please sir can I be excused?

Ok then. I suspect that Canada will be facing its own issues soon judging by how the Trudeau regime is going. It seems to me that his best chance in the next election is the lack of coherence in the opposition; would that be a fair verdict? Judging by the quality of some of those elected in cities and regional elections it looks like the hard-right is also on the rise there.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff

Yeah... But... People. I'm not keen.

I'd prefer outsourcing to a stable and sensible structure of governance that protected my rights and opportunities, allowing me to focus on living my life.

If I really have to get up and do something, because they've f*cked that up, it's not going to be chatting to @Rich B‍ on the doorstep.

People like RichB are what make it worthwhile! You clearly strongly believe that we should remain, and equally clearly believe that no party currently represents your views, so why not? Apathy is the biggest issue in this country.
The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: This Europe Stuff
If we get to a second referendum (and I still think it's an outside shot - Parliament may go for a softer Brexit), then I think that people on here who are clearly so passionate about remaining should get out there and campaign.

Join the Lib Dems (I would say Labour, but I get the feeling it's not a popular choice on here...) and volunteer to go out canvassing. It can really make a huge difference and you will feel like you are doing something for your cause. Of course, demonstrations are important, and petitions are all very well, but ultimately it's about getting the vote out to support Remain. Trust me, it's a hell of a lot more cathartic than depressing yourself watching the news or engaging with Leavers on the internet.