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Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12031
"In a further twist, if Rooney is forced to play youngsters they would then be classed as professionals and stop any more senior players being added."

 :))
 There's a simple solution for them....just submit the f*cking accounts, as per the rules!
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Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12032
The possible new Rochdale owners sound pleasant. https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2021/08/trust-contact-efl-over-comments/

The Trust doesn't help themselves with questions like this:

3. Will the EFL be taking these comments into account when coming to their decision whether Curran and Rose meet the criteria for the fit and proper person test?

4. Is it not true that comments such as these completely contradict the diversity ethos demanded by all football governing bodies, and contravention by anyone, including anyone already with, or currently seeking approval for a controlling interest of any Club within the EFL, would automatically exclude them from such approval being granted?


The EFL doesn't have a Fit and Proper Person Test and hasn't for years. It has an Owners and Directors Test with clearly defined and published criteria, none of which apply to the accusations they're making.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-3---owners-and-directors-test/

So the answer to the question is a categorical "no", because the EFL isn't and can't be a closed shop that only allows admission to people it likes. There are objective criteria against which a potential owner is judged, and "said some things we didn't like" is not in any way objective.
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Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12033
The Trust doesn't help themselves with questions like this:

3. Will the EFL be taking these comments into account when coming to their decision whether Curran and Rose meet the criteria for the fit and proper person test?

4. Is it not true that comments such as these completely contradict the diversity ethos demanded by all football governing bodies, and contravention by anyone, including anyone already with, or currently seeking approval for a controlling interest of any Club within the EFL, would automatically exclude them from such approval being granted?


The EFL doesn't have a Fit and Proper Person Test and hasn't for years. It has an Owners and Directors Test with clearly defined and published criteria, none of which apply to the accusations they're making.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-3---owners-and-directors-test/

So the answer to the question is a categorical "no", because the EFL isn't and can't be a closed shop that only allows admission to people it likes. There are objective criteria against which a potential owner is judged, and "said some things we didn't like" is not in any way objective.

What you say is correct but does raise the question of why there are no requirements for owners and directors to follow the EFLs diversity policies. One might think that they are not really worth the paper they are written on.

Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12034
What you say is correct but does raise the question of why there are no requirements for owners and directors to follow the EFLs diversity policies. One might think that they are not really worth the paper they are written on.

Because it's a subjective judgment determining suitability for a commercial action. It would be my guess that the EFL can only legally prevent party A from selling a club to party B based upon a pretty strict and defined set of objective commercial criteria, and it's hard to think that "called someone a poof" could reasonably be defined within those criteria.
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Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12035
The EFL cannot, and should not, be able to interfere in legal commercial transactions.

They should,  and probably could, apply sanction under the rules of their competitions and association, including suspension,  and possible withdrawal, of the 'golden share '.
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Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12036
Messi leaving Barca. Slightly odd statement suggesting he wanted to stay, they wanted him to stay, but league regulations (presumably financial) made it impossible.

Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12037
Messi leaving Barca. Slightly odd statement suggesting he wanted to stay, they wanted him to stay, but league regulations (presumably financial) made it impossible.

His desire to stay is in inverse proportion to his wage demands.

Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12038
The EFL cannot, and should not, be able to interfere in legal commercial transactions.

They should,  and probably could, apply sanction under the rules of their competitions and association, including suspension,  and possible withdrawal, of the 'golden share '.

Agreed, although presumably any such action would only be applicable to a club owner once they have become so. Sanctioning a club for something the owner did before he owned the club would be somewhat beyond their remit.
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Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12039
Agreed, although presumably any such action would only be applicable to a club owner once they have become so. Sanctioning a club for something the owner did before he owned the club would be somewhat beyond their remit.
 Nope. They can withhold the golden share, until all football creditors are paid by a new owner after administration. They could withhold the golden share until an owner, or officials, had made a clear undertaking to uphold the values and rules of the competition/association.
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Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12040
Nope. They can withhold the golden share, until all football creditors are paid by a new owner after administration. They could withhold the golden share until an owner, or officials, had made a clear undertaking to uphold the values and rules of the competition/association.

OK, but that's still asking for a commitment to ongoing good behaviour, not an affidavit that they've always been good.
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Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12041
Correct. Co-operating with the values and rules of the organisation, can be a requirement to retain the golden share - or obrain it. In the same way that extra requirements on financial protection of football debt (beyond the laws of the land) are a requirement.

This is an issue of governance, not impossibility of meaningful sanction - it's right there. Sure, you can't police peoples hearts and minds - but you can their actions.

A cynic might suggest that they only thing they care about is money coming in, because that's all they mandate.
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Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12042
Correct. Co-operating with the values and rules of the organisation, can be a requirement to retain the golden share - or obrain it. In the same way that extra requirements on financial protection of football debt (beyond the laws of the land) are a requirement.

This is an issue of governance, not impossibility of meaningful sanction - it's right there. Sure, you can't police peoples hearts and minds - but you can their actions.

A cynic might suggest that they only thing they care about is money coming in, because that's all they mandate.

I would imagine that the issue with that is that they'd be opening themselves up to a lawsuit for restraint of trade, given it's not like a club who gets excluded from the league because of their owner's c*ntitude can just up and ply their trade in a different one, and the EFL doesn't want to be getting into a legal battle with a very wealthy owner. In addition, to a large extent the league is a creature of its member clubs and therefore by extension its owners - such an approach is unlikely to be welcomed by probably a fairly significant number of owners who are conscious of their own particular skeletons. Sit not in judgement lest you be yourself judged, and all that.
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Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12043
BBC have got live European football in HD!

But it's St Johnstone v Galatasaray. 

"Welcome to Hell!"

'I've always thought Perth was a very pleasant large town'.

Re: Them there t'other clubs

Reply #12044
Sit not in judgement lest you be yourself judged, and all that.
Sure,  that's my point. It's not can't, from a governance perspective, it's won't, from a threatening money flow perspective.
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