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Title: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 12, 2013, 08:11:48 pm
Leicester winning at the moment annoyingly. Own f*cking goal. Just what they needed to get them out of their dip in form. Come on Brum!!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 12, 2013, 08:41:47 pm


Oddly enough it's on bein sports and Birmingham's away kit is pretty distracting.  Unfortunately they are playing as badly as their shirts.


Pity they didn't do that against us.   Also Cardiff/Forest is actually on Bein sports and I will be taping it, so no dodgy link for me!  Now come on Chris Burke do us a favour and bloody score!  Unfortunately Paul Robinson (the defender is total gash!)



Chicago: watching on a quiet day
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 12, 2013, 09:04:19 pm


Brum have scored and are looking like the better side.  I am liking this a whole lot better.



Chicago: perking up
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 12, 2013, 09:18:36 pm
2-1 c*nts.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 12, 2013, 09:33:05 pm
Pen Brum 89 mins!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lee on April 12, 2013, 09:36:36 pm
Burke!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 12, 2013, 09:37:15 pm
2-2 last min stoppage time.f*cksies moaning foul was outside the area....

They think it's all over. It is now.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 12, 2013, 10:18:34 pm

I love chris burke!   Always have, always will.  He got McCleish fired, just fcuked up Fester's chances a fair bit and even though he played for the artist known as the Taffy blue birds was always a good player.

Can we get him for a free this summer if we don't make it up and aren't splashing the cash?



Chicago: A big Burke
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on April 13, 2013, 08:25:27 am
Just seen the goals.  Wow - that was staggeringly poor play by Nugent leading up to the penalty.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 13, 2013, 08:56:30 am
That Lestah run in in full:
Bolton h
Palace a
Watford h
Forest a

I think that's what's known as 'a big ask'.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 13, 2013, 09:40:55 am
Or "in their own hands" ?

Worryingly I thought that they actually played really well last night. They should have scored 3-4 in the first half.

Today is a big day for us, Bolton and Brighton. If we could still be in the top six come 5 pm it'll be a massive boost.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 13, 2013, 09:47:17 am
Palace's results have been sh!t for the last month or so as well haven't they? Assume Murray has stopped scoring and Zaha has realised he's in the premier league next year anyway.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on April 15, 2013, 09:27:15 pm

Or "in their own hands" ?

Worryingly I thought that they actually played really well last night. They should have scored 3-4 in the first half.

Today is a big day for us, Bolton and Brighton. If we could still be in the top six come 5 pm it'll be a massive boost.

Erm, how is it in their hands when they can win every game and not make the play-offs?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 15, 2013, 10:39:11 pm

Erm, how is it in their hands when they can win every game and not make the play-offs?


Do you want to reconsider that?

They are two points behind both Forest and Bolton and still have to play both. If they win their last four they can't finish lower than 6th.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on April 16, 2013, 12:01:36 pm
Aha, yes.  Reconsidered.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andy B on April 16, 2013, 09:40:35 pm
Mansfield grabbed a late winner at Hereford.  Looks increasingly like the team from my birthplace are heading back to the Football League, which cheers me up on other bad night for the Reds.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 16, 2013, 09:46:43 pm
Cardiff promoted. Sean O'Driscoll relegated.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 16, 2013, 09:49:47 pm
The sacking of Sean was clearly justified. What a loser.  ;-)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 16, 2013, 09:51:05 pm
Don't give much of a sh!t about O'Driscoll, but Bristol City appear to be something of a sh!thouse club so I'm not sad to see them relegated at all. Tell them Colin Calderwood says f*ck you.

Not impressed at Cardiff's promotion though, obviously.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: pantzcat on April 17, 2013, 10:35:43 am
At least the Premier League has done the sensible thing and reduced it to 18 English clubs next year.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 17, 2013, 10:41:55 am
BBC this morning was telling cardiff's promotion as a charmingly plucky outsiders story. Suspect when the first Swansea Cardiff game is played next season, those cliches about both clubs will be swiftly abandoned.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on April 17, 2013, 02:27:21 pm
Nice to see the back of Cardiff. I suppose this means we'll get Stoke back in exchange.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 17, 2013, 02:33:14 pm


Stoke are horrible and deserve to be relegated.  The only problem is I don't want Forest to be playing them next season either.  Any chance they can be found guilty of crimes against humanity (I've have seen their style of play) and relegated to Division 2?





Chicago: offering solutions
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 17, 2013, 03:13:44 pm


Stoke are horrible and deserve to be relegated.  The only problem is I don't want Forest to be playing them next season either.  Any chance they can be found guilty of crimes against humanity (I've have seen their style of play) and relegated to Division 2?





Chicago: offering solutions


We'll likely lose Wolves out the bottom though, so the c*nt quotient in the Championship will be maintained.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on April 17, 2013, 03:38:01 pm

Nice to see the back of Cardiff. I suppose this means we'll get Stoke back in exchange.


We have not seen the back of Cardiff because we are going up too! FACT!! Loser!!!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 17, 2013, 03:51:08 pm

We'll likely lose Wolves out the bottom though, so the c*nt quotient in the Championship will be maintained.


The table says otherwise.  Oh dear, looks like the division might have to be renamed to the cnutionship if this keeps up.  Come on Billies get your fcuking epinephrine out and stab em again.  I don't care if everyone dies at the end of the season get us out of here!



Chicago: Needing a boost
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on April 17, 2013, 04:34:32 pm
Although if we gain promotion we will have an inflex of Manc and Scouse c*nts instead
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 17, 2013, 07:05:56 pm
And plastics of all denominations.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 17, 2013, 07:43:36 pm


At least we can laugh at the scouse.   There is nothing about Wolves I laugh at.  I suspect I would feel the same way about Stoke.





Chicago: Purist
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on April 17, 2013, 08:07:15 pm
3 Welsh clubs in the Premier League next season now - Swansea, Cardiff and Gareth Bale
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 17, 2013, 08:51:40 pm

3 Welsh clubs in the Premier League next season now - Swansea, Cardiff and Gareth Bale


(http://images.wikia.com/deadliestfiction/images/9/9d/Applause.gif)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on April 18, 2013, 09:49:06 am


Stoke are horrible and deserve to be relegated.  The only problem is I don't want Forest to be playing them next season either.  Any chance they can be found guilty of crimes against humanity (I've have seen their style of play) and relegated to Division 2?





Chicago: offering solutions


Stoke are away at QPR next and then host Naaarge. I suspect by that time (we'll have played Barnsley and Millwall) we'll have a better idea of whether or not we'll be heading down the A50 next season to have the sh!t kicked out of us.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on April 18, 2013, 04:06:59 pm
We certainly won't be going up. I jinxed that when I bought my "early bird" season tickets.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on April 20, 2013, 02:11:20 pm
Can't decide whether Millwall getting spanked at Huddersfield is a good or bad thing.  They'll still have something to play for against us now but appear to be useless.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on April 20, 2013, 03:14:13 pm
Brighton 1 up.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on April 20, 2013, 03:31:05 pm
Brighton 2 up.  Leicester losing at Palace.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 20, 2013, 04:11:20 pm
Bolton 1 up v Boro.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on April 20, 2013, 04:16:02 pm
Boro equalise.

EDIT: And Bolton promptly score again.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: pantzcat on April 21, 2013, 09:30:44 am
Bournemouth promoted to the Championship, if we don't go up at least we have a good day out next year.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on April 21, 2013, 09:44:05 am

Bournemouth promoted to the Championship, if we don't go up at least we have a good day out next year.


A "home" game for me, which will be handy.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on April 21, 2013, 09:54:35 am
Used to be a home game for the poison dwarf as well.  That was definitely the most attended talkback gathering, since the sticky out bit, at Born-muff a few years ago.  Catered by Dunc and his old Fella (not as bad as it sounds but there was sausage involved).  Heady days.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 21, 2013, 10:15:15 am

Used to be a home game for the poison dwarf as well.  That was definitely the most attended talkback gathering, since the sticky out bit, at Born-muff a few years ago.  Catered by Dunc and his old Fella (not as bad as it sounds but there was sausage involved).  Heady days.


Indeed. Pity we were sh!t that day. I think JP left during the second half to go and watch the rugby.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 21, 2013, 11:01:40 am
We were so bad in that game. I just couldn't watch any more of it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 21, 2013, 04:08:08 pm
Was that the day ned took some of us on his expenses for a Chinese and Russ was supposed to be up for Gay frisbee in the morning? When one of our then newer posters was wandering Hampstead Heath on the Sunday morning looking for a pygmy frisbee player who was still asleep at 2pm?

Happy days.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 21, 2013, 04:29:26 pm

Was that the day ned took some of us on his expenses for a Chinese and Russ was supposed to be up for Gay frisbee in the morning? When one of our then newer posters was wandering Hampstead Heath on the Sunday morning looking for a pygmy frisbee player who was still asleep at 2pm?

Happy days.


There is much wrongness in the above post, so let's just go with 'no'.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on April 21, 2013, 05:50:03 pm
Luis Suarez appears to have just bitten Branislav Ivanovic.

I think Gareth Bale may have just secured the Players' Player of the Year.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on April 21, 2013, 06:06:57 pm
Ouch!  With those teeth....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 21, 2013, 06:12:56 pm
I can't wait for the Liverpool fans' reaction to that.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on April 21, 2013, 06:14:02 pm

I can't wait for the Liverpool fans' reaction to that.


Arm to mouth, probably.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 21, 2013, 06:38:30 pm
Will someone please break that c*nt's legs?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 21, 2013, 06:40:46 pm

Luis Suarez appears to have just bitten Branislav Ivanovic.

I think Gareth Bale may have just secured the Players' Player of the Year.


The voting has already closed hasn't it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on April 21, 2013, 06:42:36 pm
S s s s saurez
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 21, 2013, 07:38:35 pm
Robin Chipperfield hits the nail on the head:

"Just a thought, the Olympics seem a long time ago, don't they?"
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 21, 2013, 08:14:03 pm
BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty "Waited to actually see Luis Suarez bite before making any comment. Now seen it. An absolute disgrace. What goes through his head?"

Ivanovicz's biceps, by the look of things.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on April 22, 2013, 12:37:14 pm
Saw the bite on MOTD2 last night, it was dreadful but what amused me the most was the camp John Cleese-war wound limp he put on to distract attention afterwards.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: AG on April 22, 2013, 12:52:09 pm
Top headline in the Guardian today, accompanying photos of Suarez (i) biting Ivanovic, then (ii) scoring the equaliser:  "Eats, Shoots...  Leaves?"
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on April 22, 2013, 01:14:50 pm

Ouch!  With those teeth....


I've got a theory that he bites people as a result of suffering extensive childhood traumas, caused by psychological bullying, due to the size of his teeth.

I'm sure this is what the PR company his agent is now deep in discussions with, shall no doubt be advising.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on April 22, 2013, 01:27:33 pm
I'd be rubbish at PR.

Quote
Dear World.  Mr Suarez would like to apologise for being a bit of a c*nt.  In fairness to him, like many overpaid sportsmen, he has the emotional development of a small spoilt child.  This makes it quite difficult for him to behave like a reasonable human being. The team of people that works with Mr Suarez will be giving him a round of f*cks, and a bit of a slap, in the hope that he doesn't derail the gravy train with any further immediate c*ntitude.  Who knows what will happen in the future though.....it's all a bit in the air....it's like trying to reason with the tide.  The only good news is that no real people were harmed, and it all filled a few column inches.  Here's hoping it's tomorrows chip paper, eh?  Right, we're off to get our heads down, until we can negotiate a seven figure exclusive with a global media outlet. Peace, booshaka, ta.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on April 23, 2013, 10:36:00 am

Robin Chipperfield hits the nail on the head:

"Just a thought, the Olympics seem a long time ago, don't they?"


He should have snuck up on Ivanovic while he was in the loo and shot him several times?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 23, 2013, 09:43:54 pm


Bayern Munich - not bad.  Although two of those goals should have been chalked off for blocking and offside, I was still rather pleased those catalonia cnuts got a pasting.  Messi injured and they are quite ordinary (although still a w@nk load better than we will be for quite a while).


I like the Germans, although I picked Dortmund to win the whole thing at the start of the season.  They better because Gotze is off to the munchen.  Pep certainly knows how to pick 'em.


Chicago: Ya Vohl!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 23, 2013, 10:11:10 pm
Meanwhile, our opponents on Saturday lost at home to Blackburn. Mewo aren't mathematically safe from relegation, but surely if Blackburn can win there...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 23, 2013, 10:56:33 pm

Meanwhile, our opponents on Saturday lost at home to Blackburn. Mewo aren't mathematically safe from relegation, but surely if Blackburn can win there...


sh!ttu sent off as well.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 24, 2013, 12:32:11 am

We lost to Blackburn.  Millwall also bummed us earlier in the season.  Although Chris Wood who now plays for Fester was responsible for that.  At least we are safe from relegation.




Chicago: Putting things into perspective
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on April 24, 2013, 04:29:14 pm
10 game ban for Suarez.  He got 7 for biting someone before so that plus what you'd get for a straight red seems fair. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JellyHead on April 24, 2013, 04:32:54 pm

10 game ban for Suarez.  He got 7 for biting someone before so that plus what you'd get for a straight red seems fair.


"Both the club and player are shocked and disappointed at the severity of today's independent regulatory commission decision.

We await the written reasons tomorrow before making any further comment."

Reasons:  He did it before, got banned for 7 games, clearly hasn't learnt so we'll try longer this time.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on April 24, 2013, 04:53:36 pm
Lawrenson seems to think they'll appeal and it'll be reduced to 8.  Not sure why.  I thought if you appealed against a red and lost the ban was extended, does that apply here?  I'd love him to end up with a dozen or so.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on April 24, 2013, 05:57:36 pm
I think it's very inappropriate if liverpool have said they're shocked and disappointed. If Terry had taken a bite out of Gerrard there'd be a minutes silence at the next Anfield game, and they intimated themselves on sunday how seriously wrong it was for a grown human to do this.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on April 24, 2013, 06:13:46 pm
I'd imagine that someone at Anfield is rooting around for those 'Support Suarez' t-shirts as we speak.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on April 24, 2013, 06:19:47 pm
They're just terrified because they're dangerously close to being sh!t without him. That said, much as it pains me to admit it, Rodgers is doing a reasonable job at Liverpool. He seems to have been given an unusual amount of leeway by the fans for a liverpool manager the effect of which is he's been able to gradually build, a young, pretty, pacey side who move the ball around quickly and are getting better. They are currently over-reliant on suarez, and as ever put misplaced faith in Gerrard but Sterling, Sturridge, Shelvey all sadly have something potentially very good about them.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 24, 2013, 07:12:11 pm
Suarez has tried to appoint himself as judge and jury by making his stupid "shouldn't be banned for more than 3 games" comments, Ayre as executioner by saying Liverpool have fined him and he's said sorry so that's it. Several former Scouse players have also tried to influence the FA's decision. All in all, I see this as massively bringing the game into disrepute. If Scouse decide to appeal, the FA should stand by their guns, then fine the Bins and add another 3 games to the ban for the latter offence.

Scousers sorted, just Ferguson, Wenger and that c*nt araldite to go.  
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andy B on April 24, 2013, 09:22:28 pm
This Lewandowski player looks pretty useful for Dortmund on tonight's showing....but those bright orange boots are a total disaster!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 25, 2013, 02:11:14 am


Is he (Lewandowski) off to Bayern too with Gotze?  If so they are in danger of becoming not only scary but as annoying as Scum Utd.

I really hope Dortmund dick them in the final as I really like that plucky club and have for a few years now.  Unfortunately they are about to be turned into Forest as half their players have release clauses and they might very well lose most of their talent in the off season.  Is Dortmund that horrible to live in?  The stadium is a bit good I have to say.



Chicago: Yellow belly


Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Guru on April 25, 2013, 06:57:39 am


Is he (Lewandowski) off to Bayern too with Gotze?  If so they are in danger of becoming not only scary but as annoying as Scum Utd.

I really hope Dortmund dick them in the final as I really like that plucky club and have for a few years now.  Unfortunately they are about to be turned into Forest as half their players have release clauses and they might very well lose most of their talent in the off season.  Is Dortmund that horrible to live in?  The stadium is a bit good I have to say.



Chicago: Yellow belly


Losing both Lewandowski and Wotze will be tough. But "turned into Forest" is a bit extreme. They have won the Bundesliga quite a few times over the last 20 years and been Champions League regulars.

Turned into Arsenal seems a better analogy.

That said, I bet they recover from losing their best strikers because the structure of German football is currently pretty impressive. (Apart from the aberration of Wolfsburg hiring Schteve.)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 25, 2013, 08:58:31 am
Let's not be too harsh. The man fooled his way into the top job at several decent sides.

And Forest.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on April 25, 2013, 09:00:25 am
Jurgan Klopp is a cracking name for a comedy Nazi villian.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mos on April 25, 2013, 09:04:15 am

Suarez has tried to appoint himself as judge and jury by making his stupid "shouldn't be banned for more than 3 games" comments, Ayre as executioner by saying Liverpool have fined him and he's said sorry so that's it. Several former Scouse players have also tried to influence the FA's decision. All in all, I see this as massively bringing the game into disrepute. If Scouse decide to appeal, the FA should stand by their guns, then fine the Bins and add another 3 games to the ban for the latter offence.

Scousers sorted, just Ferguson, Wenger and that c*nt araldite to go.


Thankfully, their supporters club see things the differently to everything else scouse. LFC could learn a lesson or two.

Quote
Liverpool Supporters Club chairman Richard Pedder said: "I don't think it's a shock, I think he deserves everything he gets.
"It's down to the club to tell him 'this is your last chance'. He won't leave the club [this summer]. They shouldn't have said anything and just accepted the ban.
"With them releasing a statement, it's going to go on and on again and we want it closed. We haven't had enough but we're concerned. Nobody is bigger than the club."
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 25, 2013, 09:07:02 am
Hats off (and an inevitable minutes silence) to LSC.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: benningtonred on April 25, 2013, 09:29:55 am
Bayern and Dortmund are obviously showing what happens when a country's FA makes correct decisions, has a clear direction and isn't bent over a barrel by a more powerful top league.  With this also starting have a positive impact on the national team as well.  Who would of thought, eh?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 25, 2013, 10:10:40 am

Jurgan Klopp is a cracking name for a comedy Nazi villian.


A shame he doesn't look like one:

Jurgen Norbert "Kloppo" Klopp.

(http://footylatest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/juergen-klopp1.jpg)


Joachim Low, on the other hand, has been cast for the next movie:

(http://thetacticianblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/L%C3%B6w.jpg)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on April 25, 2013, 10:15:49 am

A shame he doesn't look like one:

Jurgen Norbert "Kloppo" Klopp.

(http://footylatest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/juergen-klopp1.jpg)


He'd do for Schindlers List the cartoon version, I suppose.

"Klopp, some Jews are escaping"

"oooh, them crazy Jews"
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on April 25, 2013, 10:51:16 am
It's Abramovich's hippy brother.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Fella on April 25, 2013, 11:52:17 am
Could be a bit interesting on the last day of the season with the foxshaggers only getting 2k tickets and loads of them disappearing to staff/corporate types their fans are going mental and buying in the home end...it'll only end in tears
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on April 25, 2013, 12:01:03 pm
I can never understand it when hardcore fans go in the home end for away games. Yes, they get to see the game with their own eyes, but surely half the fun in attending a match is the atmosphere, banter and the celebrations when scoring/winning etc. By default and unless you are some sort of psychopathic nutter, things like celebrations will have to be toned down in the home end - if not completely silent. You don't get to take part in the whole atmosphere and banter thing either, and of course there is always the higher than normal chance of trouble kicking off too.

I remember going to a Forest match at the Leicester stadium once and sitting in their end (was coerced into going by a foxes supporting colleague who had a spare ticket) and whilst it was safe enough, it was generally pretty horrible. Not only because we lost and they were promoted that night, but I didn't feel I had any real empathy with any of the people around me, which is a big thing in attending matches.

I just think that you would get more pleasure out of listening to the game on the radio and having the freedom to jump around like a loon if you score. Maybe its just me.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 25, 2013, 12:28:56 pm
But you miss out on the "I was there when..." factor.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on April 25, 2013, 02:14:40 pm

Could be a bit interesting on the last day of the season with the foxshaggers only getting 2k tickets and loads of them disappearing to staff/corporate types their fans are going mental and buying in the home end...it'll only end in tears


It seems to be a few student mongs who have forest client ref numbers from buying tickets when at Uni who have bought tickets in the home end. If they decide to be vocal nob heads I don't think it will be too long until they are disappearing out of the exit gates.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: red source on April 25, 2013, 02:52:50 pm

It seems to be a few student mongs who have forest client ref numbers from buying tickets when at Uni who have bought tickets in the home end. If they decide to be vocal nob heads I don't think it will be too long until they are disappearing out of the exit gates.


For some reason, I read that as "I don't think it will be too long until they are disappeared out the exit gates," and had visions of Fawaz having installed some Argentinian juntu type arrangement at the City Ground, targeting also voices of dissent.

As you were...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 26, 2013, 09:52:24 am

Thankfully, their supporters club see things the differently to everything else scouse. LFC could learn a lesson or two.


It's a shame, then, that they won't learn any lessons.

Brendon Rogers is a tw@t. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22295309)

There's SO MUCH gold in this:

""If I had more players of a similar mentality we would be in a different position. He has not let me down one bit.
Analysis

"If you are looking at the incident in isolation then I think 10 games would be fair but when you look at other punishments handed out by the FA then it seems harsh.

"If what he did is a 10-match ban then any incident of racism should be a 20-match ban.

"Is this a 10-match ban because it is Luis Suarez?"

"The standard set by the club - he fell way below that at the weekend. But it does not mean he should be thrown to the garbage, which is what has happened over the last couple of days."

It is not the first time Suarez has been charged with such an offence.

He was banned for seven games when he was a player with Dutch side Ajax after biting PSV Eindhoven midfielder Otman Bakkal's shoulder during a match in November 2010.

"The boy has worked tirelessly to fit in to the life in this country," said Rodgers. "He has made a mistake and has got a sanction we don't believe fits what he did.

"He loves this country and loves being here. It's arguable he won't have a better season but he has still had that scrutiny and criticism.

"It was too severe for what he's done and that will make you think. At the moment there's shock and anger but when he is a bit more reflective, a sense of reality will set in. He knows the support he will get here, from the management, from the players and the fans, and that will always make him think differently. At this moment he will feel low because of the sanction that's been put on his action.

"Having spoken a lot to him, he is visibly very disappointed. I look in his face and for the first time I can see a genuine guy who is disappointed. It will take time for him to reflect and understand why others have never been punished.

"For us it is a case of supporting him. He is still very much part of our family and very much part of our future. He is very important for us going forward in order to succeed."

When asked what length of ban he was hoping for, Rodgers replied: "I knew it was maybe going to be three games.

"It could have been 12 with six suspended. That shows and tells the player it's unacceptable what he did and everyone knows that but you have to put the carrot in front of the player to help him improve his behaviour and help with the rehabilitation and this has only been punishment.

"There's been no thought of rehabilitation unless something dramatic comes up in the report that tells me otherwise. It's a straight 10 games." "


I love how tirelessly he has worked to fit in with this country, like not being racist, and not making mistakes including biting opponents.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 26, 2013, 09:57:07 am
BBC reporter talks great sense shocker. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22302801)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Loafé on April 26, 2013, 10:04:01 am
"At the moment there's shock and anger but when he is a bit more reflective, a sense of reality will set in. "

I find this comment outrageous, it makes it sound like he's been f*cking raped or something. 'Shock and anger'? No Suarez you tw@t, shock and anger is what you feel when a grown man bites your f*cking arm in the middle of a sporting event. You got caught and punished for doing something out of order - accept it. tw@t.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mangetout on April 26, 2013, 10:23:42 am
12  with 6 suspended would have made sense and he should have got that last time. So.he's  lucky not to get more.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 26, 2013, 10:26:00 am
Actually, 6+6 sounds fair. As this is not a first offence, that's 12 matches, then.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on April 26, 2013, 10:46:01 am
"10 MATCH BAN?  f*cking hell, that's an arm and a leg!"
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on April 26, 2013, 11:02:07 am
Apparently no protest was made when he received a seven match ban in the Netherlands.  Perhaps that says more about PSV than anything else.  Why he should expect a lesser ban I can't fathom.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 26, 2013, 11:12:16 am
The Defoe/Mascherano case doesn't reduce Liverpool's sense of victimhood. I believe (weirdly and wrongly) the Netherlands case can't be considered in his current punishment - I'd have thought he couldn't have much complaint here about a similar ban and his previous here goes against him as an aggravating factor as well.

How hard he works in training and whether he's pleasant to the tea lady doesn't really come into it.

It is also a bit weird that, if the ref had seen it, presumably he'd have been sent off at the time and only got a three match ban.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on April 26, 2013, 11:13:34 am

Apparently no protest was made when he received a seven match ban in the Netherlands.  Perhaps that says more about PSV than anything else.  Why he should expect a lesser ban I can't fathom.


My understanding is that the previous offence of biting cannot be taken into account, as it was under the jurisdiction of the Dutch football authorities....which rather makes a mockery of joined up governance of a global game, but there you go.

What can be taken into account is previous offences in his time here, and the fact that he was warned as to his future conduct (which seems to have fallen on deaf ears).

If I was on a warning as to my conduct, and then bit someone (which is an unusual and cowardly assault, even in football), then I would probably be expecting a significant censure and fine.  That Liverpool, as a football club, have reacted to it in such an outspoken way - effectively accusing the governing body of bias and discrimination - is, I believe, bringing the game into disrepute. 

I'd have every one of the cheating b@stards up on a charge, and throw the f*cking book at them....but then I might very well be biased because it's that despicable liverpool football club.....again.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on April 26, 2013, 11:17:18 am

My understanding is that the previous offence of biting cannot be taken into account, as it was under the jurisdiction of the Dutch football authorities....which rather makes a mockery of joined up governance of a global game, but there you go.

What can be taken into account is previous offences in his time here, and the fact that he was warned as to his future conduct (which seems to have fallen on deaf ears).

If I was on a warning as to my conduct, and then bit someone (which is an unusual and cowardly assault, even in football), then I would probably be expecting a significant censure and fine.  That Liverpool, as a football club, have reacted to it in such an outspoken way - effectively accusing the governing body of bias and discrimination - is, I believe, bringing the game into disrepute. 

I'd have every one of the cheating b@stards up on a charge, and throw the f*cking book at them....but then I might very well be biased because it's that despicable liverpool football club.....again.


Confucius, he say...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 26, 2013, 11:46:06 am
Crawley aren't happy (http://www.thisissussex.co.uk/Nottingham-Forest-keen-pull-friendly-according/story-18789604-detail/story.html#axzz2RZ5H7TVF).

Seems pretty clear to me. The Al Hasawis agreed to play them, we play them unless they can agree a cash amount in lieu. That they decided O'Driscoll wasn't worth the effort isn't relevant.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on April 26, 2013, 12:09:22 pm

My understanding is that the previous offence of biting cannot be taken into account, as it was under the jurisdiction of the Dutch football authorities....which rather makes a mockery of joined up governance of a global game, but there you go.


That is true but I still don't understand why he should expect the English FA to deal less severely with him.

As usual LFC doesn't come out of it too well!!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 26, 2013, 02:26:03 pm

My understanding is that the previous offence of biting cannot be taken into account, as it was under the jurisdiction of the Dutch football authorities....which rather makes a mockery of joined up governance of a global game, but there you go.

What can be taken into account is previous offences in his time here, and the fact that he was warned as to his future conduct (which seems to have fallen on deaf ears).

If I was on a warning as to my conduct, and then bit someone (which is an unusual and cowardly assault, even in football), then I would probably be expecting a significant censure and fine.  That Liverpool, as a football club, have reacted to it in such an outspoken way - effectively accusing the governing body of bias and discrimination - is, I believe, bringing the game into disrepute. 

I'd have every one of the cheating b@stards up on a charge, and throw the f*cking book at them....but then I might very well be biased because it's that despicable liverpool football club.....again.




Relegate them to Division 2 for crimes against football
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on April 26, 2013, 04:03:00 pm

Crawley aren't happy (http://www.thisissussex.co.uk/Nottingham-Forest-keen-pull-friendly-according/story-18789604-detail/story.html#axzz2RZ5H7TVF).

Seems pretty clear to me. The Al Hasawis agreed to play them, we play them unless they can agree a cash amount in lieu. That they decided O'Driscoll wasn't worth the effort isn't relevant.


To be fair, it was arranged to be Trentside. Can't see that being attractive to anyone.
At least at Crawley there might be have been some local interest in seeing a so-called 'big club'.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 26, 2013, 08:29:51 pm
Lestah 0 Watford 1
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 26, 2013, 08:31:10 pm
Make that 0-2
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 26, 2013, 08:34:32 pm
Excellent.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 26, 2013, 09:13:35 pm


Boo!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 26, 2013, 09:38:03 pm
just realised it doesn't make any difference to us if borg get an equalizer. good. can stop caring.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 26, 2013, 10:25:47 pm

just realised it doesn't make any difference to us if borg get an equalizer. good. can stop caring.



Actually it does because if Forest, Bolton and palace get the desired results tomorrow fester cannot make it and may not try as much next week.  If it's all still to play for I think I may bite my nails off.


Chicago: right.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mos on April 26, 2013, 10:41:43 pm


Actually it does because if Forest, Bolton and palace get the desired results tomorrow fester cannot make it and may not try as much next week.  If it's all still to play for I think I may bite my nails off.


Chicago: right.


Or they may try harder to put the block on us.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 27, 2013, 12:06:12 am

Actually if they have no chance I am pretty sure they wouldn't give a fcuk.


Of course it may turn out that neither one of us gives a monkeys on the final day in which it will be a fine entertaining game.  I would hope though that we manage the result at Millwall to at least give us the chance of tears.


Chicago: Psychologist
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 27, 2013, 09:21:28 am
If Wolves lose and Peterborough win, Wolves are all but relegated.


In other news, come on Cardiff.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on April 27, 2013, 09:38:50 am

Crawley aren't happy (http://www.thisissussex.co.uk/Nottingham-Forest-keen-pull-friendly-according/story-18789604-detail/story.html#axzz2RZ5H7TVF).

Seems pretty clear to me. The Al Hasawis agreed to play them, we play them unless they can agree a cash amount in lieu. That they decided O'Driscoll wasn't worth the effort isn't relevant.

Send kids / reserves team down.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on April 27, 2013, 10:45:17 am

Send kids / reserves team down.


New ground opportunity. Don't knock it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 27, 2013, 11:12:56 am

New ground opportunity. Don't knock it.


It appears we promised them a game at the CG. I assume you've been there before.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on April 27, 2013, 11:26:03 am

It appears we promised them a game at the CG. I assume you've been there before.


Not heard of the new hipster-friendly pop-up stadium we are doing in summer?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on April 27, 2013, 03:41:41 pm

Not heard of the new hipster-friendly pop-up stadium we are doing in summer?


I thought we wern't selected as a WC venue?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 27, 2013, 04:56:46 pm
there could be a new stadium at wolves next year if they stay up... given their fans are currently demolishing the current one.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on April 27, 2013, 04:57:34 pm

there could be a new stadium at wolves next year if they stay up... given their fans are currently demolishing the current one.


It. Could. N't. Happen. To. A. Nicer. Club.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 27, 2013, 06:02:58 pm
Awesome. I bloody hate Wolves. Can we get Sako please.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 28, 2013, 12:30:17 am
Phil Brown recruited Jeremy Kyle to give Saaaarfend United their half time team talk.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 28, 2013, 12:52:12 am


I really really hate Wolves.  I am pretty sure most of you know this.  I want them to be sucked into the primordial soup and slowly rot.  The fact that this could happen makes me very happy.  I will not break out the St. Germaine cocktails and the fireworks until I am 100% sure.  It also helps that Peterborough desperately need a result next saturday which could bugger up Palarse. 

Next Saturday if Forest don't make it, I will be disappointed, but that will be negated by the lords of Justice sending Wolves to League 1 hell.  If Forest can get in and Wanderers go into the abyss I will jump around the gym like a masturbating monkey possibly hitting a few people in the eye with my effluent.


Chicago: You have been warned
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: donnyred on April 28, 2013, 06:29:33 am
Well as som eof you know I live in Conisbrough, which is smack between Doncaster and Rotherham. Last night was party time all around here. With Rovers and Rotherham both promoted it was electric. Good luck to both of them. The pubs were also full of Wednesday fans who had stayed out after their late kick off. I think despite defeat they will stay up. A team will go down this season with at least 54 points, I think that says a lot about this division.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 28, 2013, 09:45:58 am
I've just realised that Hull not winning and therefore failing to secure the second promotion spot lessens the chances of us being on TV next weekend.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 28, 2013, 03:22:21 pm
Reading and QPR have managed to relegate each other, in the same game. Good work all round.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on April 28, 2013, 03:36:43 pm

Reading and QPR have managed to relegate each other, in the same game. Good work all round.


Who did Redknapp shift the blame to this week?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 28, 2013, 03:43:59 pm
I didn't hear, but he looked incredibly chipper at the end of the game. I suspect he won't be there next season.

Never mind QPR and Reading fans - you can use the £8 half scarf you bought today, twice again next season.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on April 28, 2013, 07:35:57 pm

I've just realised that Hull not winning and therefore failing to secure the second promotion spot lessens the chances of us being on TV next weekend.


Lessened to zero, Hull and Watford games are the two being shown.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on April 28, 2013, 07:37:45 pm

I didn't hear, but he looked incredibly chipper at the end of the game. I suspect he won't be there next season.



He was incredibly chippy after the game. Saw several of the players having a good laugh amongst themselves as they left though, and I nearly ran clint hill over.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 28, 2013, 11:20:29 pm

Lessened to zero, Hull and Watford games are the two being shown.


Tell the planners they're a bunch of f*cking brain dead tossers.

Are any of them Watford fans, perchance?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 29, 2013, 12:18:35 am
c*nty c*nty c*nt c*nts.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 29, 2013, 12:37:27 am

Let's hope someone in a foreign country is clambering for some Forest action.  We may still get lucky.






Chicago: scouring the intra-web
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on April 29, 2013, 12:57:23 am
And Newport are through to the play-off final at Wembley.

Probably going to go to it, although as the game is against Wrexham and there will likely be a good portion of other welsh club fans popping along, which unfortunately could spell trouble.

Would make a perfect weekend though - if we somehow manage to sneak into the playoffs, and Newport get promoted to the football league the same weekend.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 29, 2013, 08:12:57 am

Let's hope someone in a foreign country is clambering for some Forest action.  We may still get lucky.






Chicago: scouring the intra-web


The Thai's, shirley?

Edit: for fox bin raiding action, obviously.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on April 29, 2013, 08:37:41 am

And Newport are through to the play-off final at Wembley.

Probably going to go to it, although as the game is against Wrexham and there will likely be a good portion of other welsh club fans popping along, which unfortunately could spell trouble.

Would make a perfect weekend though - if we somehow manage to sneak into the playoffs, and Newport get promoted to the football league the same weekend.


Seeing as there has to be more welsh in the leauge I'm hoping Wrexham make it for the sole reason of reserecting the one leauge club with an X peice of trivia.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on April 29, 2013, 12:49:31 pm
We're now honorary Welshers, according to Crawley.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 29, 2013, 09:56:58 pm


Blimey Villa have just bummed raped Di Canio's mob 6-1.  I bet the post match interview's are going to be interesting.





Chicago: About to watch mad chops
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on April 29, 2013, 10:03:47 pm
"Inactivity is death"
Benito Mussolini
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on April 30, 2013, 07:59:54 pm
Talking of Fascists, come the Germans. I'm bored of the La Liga worship.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 30, 2013, 09:17:01 pm
There is NO WAY that Palace will not win tonight. No. Way. At. All. Bound to win. It's inevitable.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 30, 2013, 09:21:12 pm
That Henry chap has gone off injured for Millwall. Shame, he looked dangerous.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on April 30, 2013, 09:44:39 pm
0-0 ft. So it goes to the final day...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mos on April 30, 2013, 09:45:15 pm

There is NO WAY that Palace will not win tonight. No. Way. At. All. Bound to win. It's inevitable.

Hope you didn't waste your 50p swing-bop subs on it
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on April 30, 2013, 09:45:23 pm
Brings Palace into the mix for Saturday, which can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 30, 2013, 09:48:27 pm
I had fifty quid on Real drawing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andy B on April 30, 2013, 09:49:51 pm
Real Madrid's late goals proved too little too late; although a 4-1 first-leg deficit has been clawed back in the Champions League before (Deportivo managed it against Inter once...), this always felt like too much of a stretch.  Odd game though - it felt like it could have ended 7-5 or something.  Great build-up from both teams, but awful finishing.

I still wouldn't completely rule out Barca tomorrow night....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mos on April 30, 2013, 09:50:58 pm

0-0 ft. So it goes to the final day...


And Palarse, albeit at home, play Peterboro' who are fighting for survival. Could be a ' back door' for us.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chiv on April 30, 2013, 09:56:09 pm
I've seen lots of Dortmund but little of Real Madrid until these two matches.

Is this really what €300m buys you? A better version of a Sam Allardyce team?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 30, 2013, 09:57:20 pm
Yes. Real Madrid are clearly the Spanish Bolton. Or West Ham. Obviously.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 30, 2013, 10:12:40 pm
Looking at the table I'm a bit greedy now. Wish Palace had lost. Should be happy with this though. There's every chance P'boro might beat them on Saturday..
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 01, 2013, 01:28:30 am

Looking at the table I'm a bit greedy now. Wish Palace had lost. Should be happy with this though. There's every chance P'boro might beat them on Saturday..


It would be so annoying for us to beat Leicester, for Bolton to win and for Palace to scrape a draw against Peterborough, with us losing out through goal difference so I get where you are coming from.

But it could have been much worse. At least we can follow two games that could help us out, rather than one. Assuming we beat Leicester, which we probably won't.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: benningtonred on May 01, 2013, 09:45:06 am

It would be so annoying for us to beat Leicester, for Bolton to win and for Palace to scrape a draw against Peterborough, with us losing out through goal difference so I get where you are coming from.

But it could have been much worse. At least we can follow two games that could help us out, rather than one. Assuming we beat Leicester, which we probably won't.


The result also means that Leicester can only catch one play-off team, so if they were to beat us, we only need to rely on Bolton to get a result to prevent a few thousand smug Leicester fans leaving the stadium.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 01, 2013, 04:02:42 pm
https://twitter.com/gallaghereditor/status/329605737946947585/photo/1
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 01, 2013, 04:06:52 pm
I've thought for a while that I'm in the wrong area of law. Sending aggressive letters about entirely innocent expressions of view, and then getting involved in expensive litigation which usually won't achieve the aim of protecting your client's reputation, sounds like a right laugh. I should have done media law.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 01, 2013, 04:07:49 pm
I like how they cover the email and phone number at the bottom - but leave the website address and other details near the top. I'm willing to bet I could find the details they've 'hidden' within about 30 seconds of googling if I wanted too.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 01, 2013, 04:38:42 pm

https://twitter.com/gallaghereditor/status/329605737946947585/photo/1


Next thing, they'll be getting their lawyers to proscribe certain questions during press conferences.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 01, 2013, 04:46:10 pm
And videoing the people who ask questions at press conf......oh.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 04, 2013, 05:38:48 pm
This should amuse Chicago:

http://www.wolves.co.uk/news/article/statement-from-steve-morgan-040513-808025.aspx
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on May 05, 2013, 02:40:34 am


Tee Hee.  Enjoy the hell that is league one cnut bubbles!  I hope you rot in your own fan's vomit!





Chicago: Putting it politely
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 05, 2013, 08:05:31 pm
Well just back from Wembley where I saw my 'other' club Newport County win the play-off final. Must admit, for the first 80 mins Wrexham were the better team and I could see them scoring a late goal to finish off a horrible weekend of football, but then we scored and then Aaron O'Connor (a Nottingham lad) hit our second in injury time, just as they brought on Dele Adebola to try and get a late equaliser.

I know it doesn't mean much to people here, but winning this game was a huge deal. Not just in a regular promotion sense, but I was a supporter when Newport County went bust and reformed back in the pits of the non-league system, so getting back to the football league is a huge deal to everyone. Tears were shed at full time, and all the talk on the way back was whether or not we can hang onto our manager if he gets off to a good start in league 2 (Justin Edinburgh).

And thank f*ck that at least one of my two matches this weekend came good...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hans on May 05, 2013, 08:12:28 pm

Well just back from Wembley where I saw my 'other' club Newport County win the play-off final. Must admit, for the first 80 mins Wrexham were the better team and I could see them scoring a late goal to finish off a horrible weekend of football, but then we scored and then Aaron O'Connor (a Nottingham lad) hit our second in injury time, just as they brought on Dele Adebola to try and get a late equaliser.

I know it doesn't mean much to people here, but winning this game was a huge deal. Not just in a regular promotion sense, but I was a supporter when Newport County went bust and reformed back in the pits of the non-league system, so getting back to the football league is a huge deal to everyone. Tears were shed at full time, and all the talk on the way back was whether or not we can hang onto our manager if he gets off to a good start in league 2 (Justin Edinburgh).

And thank feck that at least one of my two matches this weekend came good...


I too went to the match (as a neutral sat in the Wrexham end). I think you're doing your team a disservice - Newport for me were much more accomplished and worthy winners. Wrexham were on top in the second half, but they tended to hoof it. Congratulations - first time back in the league for about 25 years isn't it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 05, 2013, 10:52:07 pm
I used to work just outside Newport (Caldicot). I have no strong feelings about the club, but the town makes Swansea look like Monaco.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 06, 2013, 11:48:47 am

I too went to the match (as a neutral sat in the Wrexham end). I think you're doing your team a disservice - Newport for me were much more accomplished and worthy winners. Wrexham were on top in the second half, but they tended to hoof it. Congratulations - first time back in the league for about 25 years isn't it?


Yep. Back in 1984 Newport were on the verge of being promoted into what is now the Championship. Then it was a steady decline contributed to a period where we were bought by some American con-man just prior to going bust.

A long way back, and there has been many ropey seasons in the process. Finally there though!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 06, 2013, 09:23:24 pm
Looks like we'll be playing Sunderland next year. Definitely either Brentford or the badge-boys.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chiv on May 06, 2013, 10:02:15 pm

Looks like we'll be playing Sunderland next year.


That seems pre-mature. If Wigan win their game in hand tomorrow, there are probably eight teams in the mix. I can see Newcastle or Southampton taking the last spot, personally.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 06, 2013, 10:16:24 pm

That seems pre-mature. If Wigan win their game in hand tomorrow, there are probably eight teams in the mix. I can see Newcastle or Southampton taking the last spot, personally.


Yeah I was expecting Sunderland to lose at that point.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on May 06, 2013, 10:28:10 pm
I'd quite like Sunderland to go down. Just to burst the bubble that Di Canio is some miracle worker. Can't stand all that touchline, fist pumping, praying to the skies nonsense.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 06, 2013, 10:33:43 pm

I'd quite like Sunderland to go down. Just to burst the bubble that Di Canio is some miracle worker. Can't stand all that touchline, fist pumping, praying to the skies nonsense.


Really? I think its brilliantly entertaining personally
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 06, 2013, 10:52:01 pm

Really? I think its brilliantly entertaining personally



It's okay, but I'm really looking forward to the bit where he gets strung up from a lamppost.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on May 07, 2013, 09:00:47 am
Hope Yeovil make it in the final. We had some pivotal games against them in League One - fans in the dressing room at that away game, losing in play offs, winning to get promoted - and it'll be good to play them without having to get relegated again to do so. I'll never forget the Yeovil fans standing next to their coaches behind the BC stand and applauding the Forest fans when we won promotion.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on May 07, 2013, 09:03:46 am
But brentford is much easier to get to for an away game.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 07, 2013, 09:27:48 am
Not if you live in Somerset, Devon or Dorset.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 07, 2013, 11:30:11 am

Hope Yeovil make it in the final. We had some pivotal games against them in League One - fans in the dressing room at that away game, losing in play offs, winning to get promoted - and it'll be good to play them without having to get relegated again to do so. I'll never forget the Yeovil fans standing next to their coaches behind the BC stand and applauding the Forest fans when we won promotion.


And there's that Yeovil fan who seems to have vanished, who used to post on here
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 07, 2013, 12:17:55 pm

Not if you live in Somerset, Devon or Dorset.


They should never have left Nottingham, Nottingham is fantastic.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on May 07, 2013, 04:34:37 pm
Well I'm rooting for Yoevil.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on May 07, 2013, 04:37:08 pm

They should never have left Nottingham, Nottingham is fantastic.


Fritzl's kids loved their home too.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 07, 2013, 10:46:05 pm
Burt back with SoD
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22437591
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 08, 2013, 08:30:28 am

Fritzl's kids loved their home too.


I'm not sure they did seeing as they were getting bummed by their dad/grandad round the clock.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 08, 2013, 10:44:32 pm
Apparently Wayne Rooney has requested a transfer, I'm guessing that he doesn't fancy reuniting with Moyes.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 08, 2013, 10:55:20 pm
Ah yes. I'd missed that dynamic. He'll clearly be off. Abroad I imagine. Where he'll do ok... but not great. He'll then sign for someone like Villa or Newcastle to "come home" in two years time.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on May 08, 2013, 11:21:37 pm
Shrek no like Golum?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 08, 2013, 11:26:15 pm

Ah yes. I'd missed that dynamic. He'll clearly be off. Abroad I imagine. Where he'll do ok... but not great. He'll then sign for someone like Villa or Newcastle to "come home" in two years time.


Interestingly, James Ducker (Times football correspondent who does the Manchesters) says that Rooney told Ferguson two weeks ago that he wanted to leave, so maybe it's coincidence and not related to Moyes.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on May 08, 2013, 11:28:07 pm

Ah yes. I'd missed that dynamic. He'll clearly be off. Abroad I imagine. Where he'll do ok... but not great. He'll then sign for someone like Villa or Newcastle to "come home" in two years time.


Could he cope with abroad? I think he found Mancland a little tricky. I think City might be the surprise choice which would be great fun.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 08, 2013, 11:40:35 pm
I doubt that United would sell him to City.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on May 09, 2013, 10:20:40 am
Chelsea I think.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 09, 2013, 10:33:50 am
I can't see Rooney moving abroad, what with having to learn a new language when he's still trying to master gibbon.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 09, 2013, 10:53:53 am

I doubt that United would sell him to City.


If that's where he wants to go, they'd be foolish not to.

Otherwise, what's to stop City setting up a deal with a credible foreign club to buy Rooney and giving them a cut as he passes through?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on May 09, 2013, 11:29:52 am
Stiliyan Petrov retires from football today, tbh I thought he'd retired a while ago when he was diagnosed
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 09, 2013, 12:53:44 pm
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Thank god Theo leaving #Dcfc the worst club he has played for..Racist Manager=Racist Club as soon as he leaves twitter gonna hear #Facts (https://twitter.com/DubStep_DaFarda/status/332461278335479808)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on May 09, 2013, 01:25:34 pm
Who is Theo?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on May 09, 2013, 01:29:28 pm

Who is Theo?


I would suspect Robinson
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 09, 2013, 01:29:37 pm

Who is Theo?


I assume Robinson.

Did make me have a look at d*rby's squad. They really don't have many non-white players in the first team squad.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 09, 2013, 01:37:35 pm
Connor Sammon is clearly a neo-Nazi too. Just look at him.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 09, 2013, 01:42:40 pm
There have been suggestions before that Clough has a problem with foreign players, but I wasn't aware he had an issue with non-white ones.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 09, 2013, 01:50:31 pm
Family tradition.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on May 09, 2013, 01:51:34 pm

There have been suggestions before that Clough has a problem with foreign players, but I wasn't aware he had an issue with non-white ones.


Didn't he have a problem with Tomasz Cywka for starters
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 09, 2013, 03:23:01 pm

Didn't he have a problem with Tomasz Cywka for starters


That was the one that sprang to my mind, I think there were others but I don't recall who.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 09, 2013, 04:01:38 pm
I have a problem with ALL d*rby Players. I hate the black ones, and the white ones.

Does that make me bi-racist?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on May 10, 2013, 01:10:37 am


fcuking Fester.  That could have been us. .....






Chicago: About to sulk
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 10, 2013, 01:18:00 am
at least its only 1-0, so Watford can still get in their stride. Deeney is back for them too then.

Can't believe Vydra though and that horrible miss when clean through in the second half. Fooking Leicester cooonts
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 10, 2013, 08:58:13 am
They had a header in the 2nd half that I remember thinking "if that'd been against Forest he'd have buried it" so it's still pretty open.  I have a feeling that Watford have come off the rails a little though, it'll be interesting to see who their side consists of if they are in the Championship next season.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 12, 2013, 02:09:03 pm
Watford's ground pulls off the seeming impossible trick of being smaller than my garden shed, let too big for them. How can they have so many empty seats when they are one game from Wem-ber-lee?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 12, 2013, 02:27:33 pm
HA HA HA!!!!

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 12, 2013, 02:28:03 pm
What a moment!

Knockeart "wins" penalty in injury time with a dive every bit as bad as Lewis's on the last day. Has it saved and the rebound and Watford go straight up the other end and score the winner.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mos on May 12, 2013, 02:28:17 pm
Ho ho f*cking ho!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 12, 2013, 02:40:42 pm
Amazing end to the game and justice done i think.

Watfords forward line really is awesome. What I would give for that at Forest.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 12, 2013, 02:48:13 pm
f*cking Leicester. Ha ha ha.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 12, 2013, 02:50:59 pm
That may not actually be the best thing for us next season.  Nevertheless.  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....

Feel our pain.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 12, 2013, 04:04:37 pm
Apparently the ref was also in charge for the Brentford v Donny last minute shenanigans.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chiv on May 12, 2013, 04:19:01 pm
Apparently he was in charge of Hull - Cardiff, too, where two stoppage time penalties could have affected the course of the promotion battle.

Ignoring the referee's twilight zone/x-files effect, it was great to watch live - the whole game, I mean. Watford after their second 'equaliser' seemed to throw all caution to the wind and just 'go for it' leaving all kinds of space at the back. It was great to watch that kind of game when Forest weren't in it. I'm glad really that we didn't make it because I think Watford would have ripped us to shreds.

In terms of the minute of madness, the only thing that could have made it better would have been a fan cam on the Leicester fans, to watch their emotions surge, and then be dismantled, within twenty-five seconds.

Shouldn't be greedy.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 12, 2013, 05:12:13 pm

Apparently he was in charge of Hull - Cardiff, too, where two stoppage time penalties could have affected the course of the promotion battle.


No he wasn't. That was Keith Stroud. How internet FACTS are invented in full glory!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 12, 2013, 05:26:06 pm

What a moment!

Knockeart "wins" penalty in injury time with a dive every bit as bad as Lewis's on the last day. Has it saved and the rebound and Watford go straight up the other end and score the winner.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIrFck2sc10
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 12, 2013, 09:44:02 pm
Today's results pretty much put Wigan down (unless they win at Arsenal), if Martinez leaves this summer, that Cup win looks like the conclusion of their story, rather than a springboard to bigger and greater things.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on May 12, 2013, 10:15:36 pm


He will probably end up at Everton and take Kone and McMananaman with him.  I think Everton will be pretty decent under him if he does that.  If for some reason he doesn't take Kone I would love us to swoop in and get him because he is quality and way to good for the Champ.


As for Fester?  Well they did it to us, so karma saw that Watford returned the favour.  Vydra apparently was scouted by Forest in the old days but couldn't afford the fee as we tried to get him for the academy.  Pity, because that would have been one hell of a signing!

I think if Martinez stays at Wigan they will piss the championship.  Everytime I saw them they looked quality against lower level talent.  If Martinez goes I think Wigan will sink into the champ abyss like Wolves (HA HA HA HA HA!)


Chicago: fortune teller
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 13, 2013, 11:18:50 am
I imagine McCarthy, McArthur and a good few more will jump ship.  It's sh!t or bust for them tomorrow, unfortunately for them it's similar for Arsenal.  SHould be an interesting game. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on May 13, 2013, 01:04:09 pm
I can't stop watching the finish to the Leicester game from yesterday, loving it.

"He cheats, he dives, he misses then he cries, Knockeart, Knockeart....."

The way Leciester reacted at the CG was like they had won promotion and they've acted like it ever since. Well, f*ck you Leicester, f*ck you.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 13, 2013, 01:06:48 pm
Motion seconded!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 13, 2013, 02:25:49 pm
Thirded

I took great delight in watching them drop out of the playoffs, more so in the manner it happened.

[childish mong mode]
Yes, they beat us to sneak in the play-offs, scoring a goal in injury time that on any other match wouldn't have happened as we wouldn't have been pushing so high up the field ourselves looking for a goal, but we left gaps at the back and they took advantage. Fair do's, but they have been crowing about the win as if they have suddenly turned into some all-conquering pseudo-Barca side since.

So it was wonderful to see them not only be outplayed by the awesome Watford front-line, resort to a lot of hoofing as the match wore on, receive just rewards for cheating to win the penalty by having it saved, but to THEN see them beaten on the counter, and leaving gaps at the back which see them knocked out in injury time, was sweet.
[/childish mong mode]
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Loafé on May 13, 2013, 04:53:30 pm
Local radio commentary of the last minute:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22512064 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22512064)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 13, 2013, 05:19:59 pm
I'd love to hear the Leicester version!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on May 13, 2013, 06:11:48 pm
Video & audio of the crucial last minutes. (http://footballburp.com/magazine/the-best-videos-audio-gif-from-watford-v-leicester-play-off-semi-final-second-leg/)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on May 13, 2013, 09:02:32 pm

Video & audio of the crucial last minutes. (http://footballburp.com/magazine/the-best-videos-audio-gif-from-watford-v-leicester-play-off-semi-final-second-leg/)


that's f*cking sexy.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 13, 2013, 09:39:22 pm
So Palearse v Fatwads it is, then.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on May 13, 2013, 10:04:37 pm
True to form the play-offs suit the smaller team - AKA we will never win them unless we play Leeds, and A.N. Other like Aston Villa or Newcastle. (And, yes, I know West Ham won them last season but that was the exception to the rule, and they were murdered by Blackpool in the final).

A Palace-Watford final was exactly what I didn't want because it now means a weak team rather than a strong team will be leaving the league, and now that I live in That London, I wanted as many Cockney b@stard games as possible.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on May 13, 2013, 10:19:58 pm

A Palace-Watford final was exactly what I didn't want because it now means a weak team rather than a strong team will be leaving the league, and now that I live in That London, I wanted as many Cockney b@stard games as possible.


did you miss the bit of last season when watford dicked us comprehensively? twice?

brighton will be strong next year. leicester might be.. it depends if the money keeps flowing and if they dump the manager (pearson would do ok again.. but if he goes they could appoint someone decent and do really well, or do something mental. or get warnock.). palace will be a much weaker proposition without zaha, but olly is a good manager.. watford are a pretend club playing with someone elses toys.. but have done well. for selfish reasons i'd like them to go up. for football reasons i'd like it to be palace, because of all the teams in teh shakeup, they're the ones that had no business being there.. but not in a bad way.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on May 13, 2013, 10:33:32 pm
If Wigan somehow stay up (I'm still hoping for a Villa shocker on the last day), Martinez will go to Everton and Poyet will go to Wigan.  Brighton will then be in disarray.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 13, 2013, 11:15:26 pm
Poyet has earned a pop at a bigger club. I'm hoping so anyway, or Brighton will be better than us next year.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 14, 2013, 08:03:10 am
Palace are a sh!t club from a sh!t hole and can eat sh!t as far I am concerened. Therefore I hope Watford do it, plus they won't be allowed to cheat as much if they do go go up.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 14, 2013, 08:30:14 am

If Wigan somehow stay up (I'm still hoping for a Villa shocker on the last day), Martinez will go to Everton and Poyet will go to Wigan.  Brighton will then be in disarray.


It's a nice theory but Wigan are going down and well run clubs don't go into 'disarray' just because their manager leaves.


. palace will be a much weaker proposition without zaha, but olly is a good manager.. watford are a pretend club playing with someone elses toys.. but have done well. for selfish reasons i'd like them to go up.


Is Olly that good? His record before Blackpool was patchy, at best and he's made Palace worse since he took over - they were challenging for the top two when he joined and a couple of weeks ago they looked like they might drop out altogether (although Middlesbrough and, nearly, Leicester have followed similar trajectories).

I also read a justification of Watford's policy and I have slightly more sympathy for them than I did before. Essentially, they are pooling players with Udinese and Grenada to allow all three to compete better than they would be able to otherwise. The proposed(?) limit on overseas loans probably won't make any difference to them as they will just transfer the permanent registrations to Watford - there's no risk as the owners are the same.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 14, 2013, 11:24:55 am

did you miss the bit of last season when watford dicked us comprehensively? twice?

I'll be interested to see who's in Watford's team next year if they don't go up.  Essentially we got dicked by Udinese's B team twice. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on May 14, 2013, 10:29:34 pm
Now that Wigan have been relegated, Manure are champions is there any point to the last weekend of premiership fixtures?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andy B on May 14, 2013, 10:34:14 pm
I'll never forget how, in the season when Wigan got promoted to the Premier League and we got relegated to League 1, those oh-so-charming Wigan fans regaled us with chants of 'We'll never play you again' at the City Ground. Well guess what? You're playing us next season.  And, without your best players (don't expect Kone to hang around...), you'll be very vulnerable...

Frankly, I hope Wigan do a Wolves next year.  Horrible, plastic club with no history.  Little better than MK Dons really....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on May 14, 2013, 10:50:18 pm

and now that I live in That London, I wanted as many Cockney b@stard games as possible.


But you are gaining QPR and Reading and may also add Brentford to that so saying goodbye to a trip to the Palarse or Watfud won't be that bad.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on May 14, 2013, 11:11:56 pm
Brentford is always a fun ground to go to too.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 15, 2013, 08:22:22 am

Frankly, I hope Wigan do a Wolves next year.  Horrible, plastic club with no history.  Little better than MK Dons really....


Out of all the fickle nothwest clubs (bolton, blackpool, burnley etc) I don't mind Wigan. Well run club tries to do it the right way I can live with.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 15, 2013, 10:19:14 am

I'll never forget how, in the season when Wigan got promoted to the Premier League and we got relegated to League 1, those oh-so-charming Wigan fans regaled us with chants of 'We'll never play you again' at the City Ground. Well guess what? You're playing us next season.  And, without your best players (don't expect Kone to hang around...), you'll be very vulnerable...



Although their reserves battered us in the league cup without much effort.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 15, 2013, 10:24:55 am

Now that Wigan have been relegated, Manure are champions is there any point to the last weekend of premiership fixtures?


You mean you aren't excited to the core in anticipation of finding out whether Arsenal or Spurs take the last "Champion's" league place?

[Spoiler Alert]It's Arsenal
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 15, 2013, 11:36:51 am

[Spoiler Alert]It's Arsenal


You b@stard!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on May 15, 2013, 11:48:32 am

But you are gaining QPR and Reading and may also add Brentford to that so saying goodbye to a trip to the Palarse or Watfud won't be that bad.


Please let it be Palace. It's a f*ckpig of a gound to get to, even if you live in southeast London. And I want to see somebody make a serous attempt at d*rby's record.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 15, 2013, 11:52:24 am
Oi, I can cycle on my fixie to a carpark near Crystal Palace in about 20 minutes, that is NOT a ground that we want moving to the Premier League. Them and Millwall are my closest grounds. Watford is MUCH more of a pain. An hour on the Metropolitan Line... dull as hell.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 15, 2013, 11:53:44 am
Things are really on the up for QPR aren't they.

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Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 15, 2013, 12:17:37 pm

Oi, I can cycle on my fixie to a carpark near Crystal Palace in about 20 minutes, that is NOT a ground that we want moving to the Premier League. Them and Millwall are my closest grounds. Watford is MUCH more of a pain. An hour on the Metropolitan Line... dull as hell.


Nonsense. Watford is either a short drive or an overnight stay and night out on the beers with my mate in St Albans (20 mins train from there). Plus you get to laugh at their entertaining three sided ground. This is not a game we want to lose.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 15, 2013, 12:41:51 pm
I'm still rooting for Watford. Aside from arguably being the most talented footballing side in the division and therefore somewhat deserving to go up in my view, but I would also rather them be out of the way so we don't face them next season in our "Championship Winning Season".

I've heard it said that they would lose all their Italian players and revert to being sh!t again if they don't go up. I don't think that would happen. They may lose Vydra. But they will retain a bunch of the loan players and then probably draft more in. They would be right up there next season.

Palace on the other hand, will be their usual average-to-good selves next season I reckon.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 15, 2013, 12:43:10 pm
Can't have Palace promoted, they're my step-dad's team and that would be unbearable.  If Watford go up I can still deride their success due to them having won promotion with the Udinese B Team rather than their own players.  I think they'll still be strong next year, they've already signed Forestieri who was possibly the best loanee of the bunch.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 15, 2013, 01:00:51 pm

I'll never forget how, in the season when Wigan got promoted to the Premier League and we got relegated to League 1, those oh-so-charming Wigan fans regaled us with chants of 'We'll never play you again' at the City Ground. Well guess what? You're playing us next season.


And it only took eight years to come true... EIGHT YEARS!!!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 15, 2013, 02:22:37 pm

I'll never forget how, in the season when Wigan got promoted to the Premier League and we got relegated to League 1, those oh-so-charming Wigan fans regaled us with chants of 'We'll never play you again' at the City Ground. Well guess what? You're playing us next season.


Because Forest fans never resort to such juvenile chants....  
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And, without your best players (don't expect Kone to hang around...), you'll be very vulnerable...


Kone is a liability for any team needing hard workers. Every other player in the usual starting XI at Wigan is "better" than him, apart from finishing. They'll be as vulnerable as every other relegated team ever is and, no, they don't expect an automatic return and are about to cut their cloth accordingly (bearing in mind they have 4 years parachute payments and a European campaign to soften the blow.

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Frankly, I hope Wigan do a Wolves next year.  Horrible, plastic club with no history.  Little better than MK Dons really....


No history of winning the big league you mean? But they have more history than many lower league and ex-league clubs. Other than that, they have got to where they are by shrewd investment from a footballing man in a rugby world. In the 18 years Whelan has been in control, their net transfer spend is almost identical to Forest at about £6m. Their net debt stands at about £12m, but a large amount of that is in the complex set up DW has with his 3 sporting brands, football, rugby and a £30m stadium.

In short, Wigan are the epitomy of what every lower and non-league club (plus a lot of so-called big clubs) dream of achieving: top flight football; days out at the top stadia; and moments that will live with fans forever. All on an affordable, well-managed budget, building more on the local community than global corporations. Little, if anything, in common with Franchise FC.

Wigan Athletic are a club that should be celebrated for keeping the dream alive, not vilified because they once weren't as good as us.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 15, 2013, 03:36:09 pm

Now that Wigan have been relegated, Manure are champions is there any point to the last weekend of premiership fixtures?


There could be one more game to come still. Apparently, any set of results on Sunday which sees Arsenal win by a single goal, Chelsea draw and Arsenal scoring two more than Chelsea will result in a 39th game to decide who gets third place and the automatic CL qualification.

So if the scores are:

Chelsea 0-0 Everton; Newcastle 1-2 Arsenal
Chelsea 1-1 Everton; Newcastle 2-3 Arsenal
Chelsea 2-2 Everton; Newcastle 3-4 Arsenal

Then there will be a further game as both teams will have exactly the same record including goals scored and conceded.

The table as it stands:

Chelsea P 37  F 73  A 38  GD 35 PTS 72
Arsenal  P 37  F 71  A 37  GD 34 PTS 70
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on May 15, 2013, 10:08:49 pm

And I want to see somebody make a serous attempt at d*rby's record.


not sure about this.. always enjoy the day in october when we know that honour will reman with them for another year... but i suppose it would be funny if someone lost the first 34 games, and then won the rest.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 15, 2013, 10:49:03 pm
f*cking Chelskum. John tw@tjockey weedled his way into the line to pick up a cup in another Final that he took no part in.

There was a banner that read: "JT Captain Leader Legend".

I assume they couldn't get one big enough to say: "JT Captain Thug All round loathsome cockjuggling thunderc*nt".
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 16, 2013, 08:08:22 am

I assume they couldn't get one big enough to say: "Former Forest Legend JT Captain Thug All round loathsome cockjuggling thunderc*nt".


Fixed that for you, although the banner may need to be a tad longer.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 16, 2013, 08:35:17 am
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wolves-steve-mcclaren-eyed-manager-1891002
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: pantzcat on May 16, 2013, 12:21:55 pm

There could be one more game to come still. Apparently, any set of results on Sunday which sees Arsenal win by a single goal, Chelsea draw and Arsenal scoring two more than Chelsea will result in a 39th game to decide who gets third place and the automatic CL qualification.

So if the scores are:

Chelsea 0-0 Everton; Newcastle 1-2 Arsenal
Chelsea 1-1 Everton; Newcastle 2-3 Arsenal
Chelsea 2-2 Everton; Newcastle 3-4 Arsenal

Then there will be a further game as both teams will have exactly the same record including goals scored and conceded.

The table as it stands:

Chelsea P 37  F 73  A 38  GD 35 PTS 72
Arsenal  P 37  F 71  A 37  GD 34 PTS 70


I assumed the next step was to go on the games already played between the 2 teams, which would put Chelsea on top this season, a play-off would be fun though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 16, 2013, 03:43:24 pm
David Beckham is retiring.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on May 16, 2013, 03:56:08 pm
http://www.westerngazette.co.uk/Yeovil-Town-fan-slams-1-500-Wembley-play-banner/story-19003583-detail/story.html

Truly truly bonkers !
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 16, 2013, 04:05:13 pm
Alan Hansen has quit MOTD.

Ferguson, Beckham and Hansen gone. Football is collapsing around us.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on May 16, 2013, 04:08:59 pm
Don't worry, Fawaz and the Billies are still here
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 16, 2013, 04:11:37 pm
I'm thinking we'll have to have a day of mourning if Ryan Giggs hangs them up as well.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 16, 2013, 04:23:46 pm
Only a matter of time now Scholes has announced his demise too
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 16, 2013, 04:27:17 pm
Paul Scholes retired three years ago, he just didn't announce it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on May 16, 2013, 06:30:08 pm

http://www.westerngazette.co.uk/Yeovil-Town-fan-slams-1-500-Wembley-play-banner/story-19003583-detail/story.html

Truly truly bonkers !


How much is it to take in a commemorative pin badge?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 16, 2013, 08:29:32 pm
Gus Poyet and staff suspended by Brighton, apparently over disagreements about transfer budget.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on May 16, 2013, 08:45:17 pm
He said after they lost to palace he would consider his future, this sounds like a good excuse to leave....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on May 16, 2013, 10:19:55 pm
Oh sh!t. He'll end up at Wigan, won't he? Only one automatic place to play for, then.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on May 16, 2013, 11:50:05 pm
He might, he might not. I don't think they're a particularly attractive bet. He wants a PL job, hence him turning down reading. I think he will hold out for Sunderland or Norwich or somewhere of that ilk or go to manage in Spain.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 16, 2013, 11:53:33 pm
I can't see him going to a smaller club in Wigan either
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 17, 2013, 12:56:05 am

I can't see him going to a smaller club in Wigan either


Bolton? Small town in Wigan....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Guru on May 17, 2013, 07:21:12 am

f*cking Chelskum. John tw@tjockey weedled his way into the line to pick up a cup in another Final that he took no part in.

There was a banner that read: "JT Captain Leader Legend".

I assume they couldn't get one big enough to say: "JT Captain Thug All round loathsome cockjuggling thunderc*nt".


He did get upstaged though... one cheeky Scouser in the making
(http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/video-11yearold-liverpool-fan-picks-up-the-europa-league-trophy-with-chelsea-8619695.html)
(sorry if posted elsewhere)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 17, 2013, 08:05:45 am

Oh sh!t. He'll end up at Wigan, won't he? Only one automatic place to play for, then.


What have Reading got to do with it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 17, 2013, 08:34:06 am
got to do, got to do with it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 17, 2013, 09:26:30 am
What's Reading but a second-hand revulsion?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 17, 2013, 05:28:12 pm
Apparently in some kind of bizarre dressing room prank at Stoke City, Glenn Whelan put a pig's head in Kenwyne Jones' locker. Jones reacted by going out to the car park and smashing Whelan's windscreen with a brick.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 17, 2013, 07:55:27 pm

Apparently in some kind of bizarre dressing room prank at Stoke City, Glenn Whelan put a pig's head in Kenwyne Jones' locker. Jones reacted by going out to the car park and smashing Whelan's windscreen with a brick.


Sounds like a normal day in Stoke
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on May 18, 2013, 12:12:57 am

Sounds like a normal day in Stoke


Only with less pig's head.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 18, 2013, 02:35:47 am

Only with less pig's head.


And more fun.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: pantzcat on May 18, 2013, 11:06:53 am
Such nice people these footballers:

"Brighton are set to launch an investigation into an incident in the away dressing room ahead of Monday's Championship play-off against Crystal Palace at the Amex Stadium where excrement was smeared on the walls."

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 18, 2013, 07:08:18 pm
Coventry leave the Ricoh Arena. (http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-chief-left-ricoh-3869400)

Pretty much everyone in this whole thing would appear to be f*cked.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 19, 2013, 03:03:55 pm
Apparently Michael Laudrup's agent is at the Chelsea v Everton game today, not sure which club he's a guest of.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 19, 2013, 03:43:09 pm
Today I am happy for our former yokel, wherever he may be.  Perhaps we'll see him at the shaven next season?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 20, 2013, 01:54:47 am
Good to see Yeovil up, but I had an accumulator on wins for Chelsea, Spurs, Brentford and Ross County and they all came through except Brentford. Would have won over £600 if they had (sniff)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 20, 2013, 02:07:46 am
Why is it good to see Yeovil up? They're a pointless little backwater club who will spend a season being whipping boys before sinking back to the level at which they belong, and Brentford's a much better away day.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 20, 2013, 11:02:43 am

Why is it good to see Yeovil up? They're a pointless little backwater club who will spend a season being whipping boys before sinking back to the level at which they belong, and Brentford's a much better away day.


[tempting fate]Exactly. It's one of the three relegation places already sown up [/tempting fate]
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on May 20, 2013, 11:07:38 am

Brentford's a much better away day.


This
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 20, 2013, 11:08:50 am
Ed means he can watch from his bedroom....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on May 20, 2013, 11:20:07 am

Why is it good to see Yeovil up?


Friendly club, good fans who were very gracious when we won promotion from the third division on the final day.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 20, 2013, 11:29:51 am

Friendly club, good fans who were very gracious when we won promotion from the third division on the final day.


Agreed, the leauge tables should not just be decided on average attendance.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on May 20, 2013, 11:40:31 am

Agreed, the leauge tables should not just be decided on average attendance.


No, they should be decided on how good a piss up the away game will be.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 20, 2013, 11:56:32 am
Guardian report on Yeovil's promotion mentioned that they will be playing "Nottingham Forest, Leeds and QPR" next season. Wasn't sure if I was missing some irony or that whoever wrote it didn't realise they had played two of those three quite a few times in the last 5 or so years.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on May 20, 2013, 03:43:42 pm

Friendly club, good fans who were very gracious when we won promotion from the third division on the final day.


The antithesis being the ever-angry camera-clicking ubercock who used to soil this board.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on May 20, 2013, 03:55:01 pm

The antithesis being the ever-angry camera-clicking ubercock who used to soil this board.


But I havent got a camera
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 20, 2013, 03:59:44 pm

But I havent got a camera


Was that a condition of your bail?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 20, 2013, 07:09:08 pm
Hearing rather far fetched rumours about why Poyet and his team were given the boot.  I don't believe them for a second.  Must say though, even before that he went down a few notches in my estimation.  I was surprised at the graceless way he came across after the game, I always thought he was a class act.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on May 20, 2013, 07:56:15 pm
About someone taking a dump?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 20, 2013, 08:45:19 pm
Yes, clearly rubbish.  I thought he came across badly in the post-match interview talking about Brighton hitting the roof and how he'd have to consider his next step.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on May 20, 2013, 08:57:39 pm

Yes, clearly rubbish.  I thought he came across badly in the post-match interview talking about Brighton hitting the roof and how he'd have to consider his next step.


So did I.  But I didn't think there was anything he said that went much beyond disappointment and being a bit of a sore loser.  You'd have to think that there's more to it.  Maybe both parties are trying to find a way out?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on May 20, 2013, 09:55:31 pm

Yes, clearly rubbish.


The all-round email to Brighton FC employees about it was fake? Wow!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 20, 2013, 10:55:26 pm
Come on then, tell us what the story is.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 21, 2013, 10:18:31 am
I heard the back room staff left a pre-match welcoming surprise for Palace in their changing rooms akin to a dirty protest.  I thought it wasn't true not just because it seems so out of character, so obviously bound to end up in them being caught but also that their own staff would end up cleaning it all up!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on May 21, 2013, 10:20:22 am

I heard


You sound like a BBC reporter - "Sources tell us/I have learned" - when it's been splashed all over the papers for days!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 21, 2013, 10:27:35 am
Well I did, don't want to say where from though. 



Does that make me sound more or less like I'm with the bbc?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 21, 2013, 10:29:54 am

You sound like a BBC reporter - "Sources tell us/I have learned" - when it's been splashed all over the papers for days!


Ok, tell us who sh!t on the walls then.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on May 21, 2013, 10:31:35 am

Ok, tell us who sh!t on the walls then.


Go and buy a paper.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 21, 2013, 10:33:57 am

Go and buy a paper.


Sounds a bit 19th century. Would be much quicker for you to tell me.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on May 21, 2013, 10:34:06 am

Go and buy a paper.


It would have come handy in that dressing room.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 21, 2013, 10:49:40 am

You sound like a BBC reporter - "Sources tell us/I have learned" - when it's been splashed all over the papers for days!


Not to mention actually referred to on this thread on the previous page :)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on May 21, 2013, 10:56:35 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22606048
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 21, 2013, 11:07:32 am
unrelated my arse
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on May 21, 2013, 11:09:49 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22606048


How priggish of the BBC to censor that.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 21, 2013, 11:33:06 am

How priggish of the BBC to censor that.


I'm still waiting for your update as to what really happened, maybe you could use a slightly more updated medium. I suggest a carrier pigeon
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on May 21, 2013, 12:43:06 pm
Palace opened their dressing room door to find some c*nt had dumped on the floor. Poyet send email around club after trying to find whodunnit. Police now involved.
In other news, Neil Armstrong has made a giant leap.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 21, 2013, 01:38:20 pm
Couldn't happen to a nicer chap (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4935773/El-Hadji-Diouf-beaten-up-in-Senegal.html)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on May 21, 2013, 01:48:27 pm

Palace opened their dressing room door to find some c*nt had dumped on the floor. Poyet send email around club after trying to find whodunnit. Police now involved.
In other news, Neil Armstrong has made a giant leap.


Brighton now considering changing name of ground from the Amex to the Andrex
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on May 21, 2013, 02:03:17 pm
Pulis is apparently leaving Stoke
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 21, 2013, 02:13:07 pm

Pulis is apparently leaving Stoke


So Stoke City are finally, about to 'do a Charlton' (have ideas above their station, get rid of manager who has had them punching above their weight for years, start their rightful descent down the leagues under a succession of average managers). That should be amusing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: benningtonred on May 21, 2013, 02:27:22 pm

So Stoke City are finally, about to 'do a Charlton' (have ideas above their station, get rid of manager who has had them punching above their weight for years, start their rightful descent down the leagues under a succession of average managers). That should be amusing.


I agree that this is likely to lead to a significant decline for Stoke, but I don't think you can say they're punching above their weight.  They have something like the 5th biggest net transfer spend in the league, but their problem is that they spent all their money on 6'4" beasts that enables them to play percentage football.  Their problem next season is the pressure to play more attractive passing football that they don't have the personnel to do and so will get found out very quickly.  At the moment my Premier League bottom three for next season is Stoke, Fulham and the promoted play-off team.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 21, 2013, 02:35:25 pm

I agree that this is likely to lead to a significant decline for Stoke, but I don't think you can say they're punching above their weight.  They have something like the 5th biggest net transfer spend in the league, but their problem is that they spent all their money on 6'4" beasts that enables them to play percentage football.  Their problem next season is the pressure to play more attractive passing football that they don't have the personnel to do and so will get found out very quickly.  At the moment my Premier League bottom three for next season is Stoke, Fulham and the promoted play-off team.


But they only have that net spend due to the years Pulis has had them in the premier league though.

I'm sure natural order will soon be restored.

I actually rate Pulis as a manager. Yes, he does play percentage football but its not ALL hoofing and it has been extremely effective for him. Perhaps I'm biased as he is a Newport lad though :)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 21, 2013, 02:45:19 pm
.  At the moment my Premier League bottom three for next season is Stoke, Fulham and the promoted play-off team.


Went to try to find the odds on Stoke getting relegated as soon as a I saw the news.

Not sure why Fulham though. I'd say Norwich, Cardiff, Hull and Sunderland are all more likely to get relegated.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: benningtonred on May 21, 2013, 02:48:38 pm

Went to try to find the odds on Stoke getting relegated as soon as a I saw the news.

Not sure why Fulham though. I'd say Norwich, Cardiff, Hull and Sunderland are all more likely to get relegated.


Fulham have been on a cycle of decline for a couple of seasons now and it was only the Berbatov goals that kept them out of danger this season.  I'm not sure they'll get away with it next season.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on May 21, 2013, 02:51:21 pm
Outside the top 7 everyone is close to getting relegated in that league and it could become top 6 now that Everton have lost Moyes.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 21, 2013, 04:28:32 pm
Apparently, since taking over at Stoke Pulis's net spend on players is £120m more than Arsenal's.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mos on May 21, 2013, 05:37:48 pm
From Manchester to Manhattan, via the Bronx

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130521&content_id=48162622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130521&content_id=48162622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 21, 2013, 05:46:29 pm

From Manchester to Manhattan, via the Bronx

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130521&content_id=48162622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130521&content_id=48162622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


I'm a fan already. I  think they should put the new NYCFC in Queens and the Red Bulls in the South Bronx, and they could re-ignite the old rivalry from the hip-hop golden age. They would have ready made chants too with 'The Bridge is Over'
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on May 21, 2013, 05:47:48 pm

From Manchester to Manhattan, via the Bronx

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130521&content_id=48162622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130521&content_id=48162622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


This comment rose a wry smile :

Quote from: some yank
This country is already transforming into Europe and NY will become the Mecca of it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 21, 2013, 10:15:10 pm
Talking of Americans, this is good: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/sports/soccer/a-guide-to-attending-a-premier-league-game.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&smid=tw-share
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 22, 2013, 09:30:50 am
West Ham making Carroll a permanent signing for £15M, apparently. That's only £20M less than  Liverpool paid for him. Ho ho.


Mind you, £15M looks like too much for Andy Carroll.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on May 22, 2013, 09:31:29 am

Talking of Americans, this is good: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/sports/soccer/a-guide-to-attending-a-premier-league-game.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&smid=tw-share


That's not good, it's brilliant. Reminds me why I love football.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 22, 2013, 12:37:09 pm

That's not good, it's brilliant. Reminds me why I love football.


It reminds me why I love America and American sports.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 22, 2013, 12:53:17 pm

It reminds me why I love America and American sports.


"I've got some new better friends now so there"
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on May 22, 2013, 03:04:21 pm

But they only have that net spend due to the years Pulis has had them in the premier league though.

I'm sure natural order will soon be restored.

I actually rate Pulis as a manager. Yes, he does play percentage football but its not ALL hoofing and it has been extremely effective for him. Perhaps I'm biased as he is a Newport lad though :)



I don't get your logic at all.  He's from Newport so therefore a good egg?  I know people from Kegworth and Shepshed here in Chicago and I don't hang out with them because they have proved not to be real friends.  In fact they tried to use friendship (as in you know me because I am from the same area) to borrow money and not give it back.  I am sure everyone from Newport is lovely, truly...but what an odd statement.  By the way, Pullis generally plays anti-football and is xenophobic.  Other than that I am sure he's fine. 

Horses for courses I suppose.


Chicago: Isolationist 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 22, 2013, 04:25:55 pm


I don't get your logic at all.  He's from Newport so therefore a good egg?  I know people from Kegworth and Shepshed here in Chicago and I don't hang out with them because they have proved not to be real friends.  In fact they tried to use friendship (as in you know me because I am from the same area) to borrow money and not give it back.  I am sure everyone from Newport is lovely, truly...but what an odd statement.  By the way, Pullis generally plays anti-football and is xenophobic.  Other than that I am sure he's fine. 

Horses for courses I suppose.


Chicago: Isolationist


Everyone from Newport is f*cking ace.

Not the case with Shepshed or Kegworth, so I can see your frustration with this.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 23, 2013, 02:19:58 am
I was going to mention Josie d'Arby, as much for the surname as anything, but there's Michael Sheen and James Dean Bradfield, so I claim a 2-1 victory for trees against sheep.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chiv on May 25, 2013, 04:50:41 pm
I'm amazed to see a team as good as Borussia Dortmund rated at nigh on 4/1 by them there odds-makers to win a Champions League Final.

Although, to hear the majority of the media harp on, the game is a foregone conclusion and Bayern Munich will win comfortably. I'm not saying Dortmund will win, but I've seen a lot of them the last few years. They're very good in the big games. I've also got the feeling a few times that luck is on their side.

I really hope Bayern don't win it because everything about the club stinks of arrogance.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on May 25, 2013, 06:40:21 pm
I walked past Trafalgar Square at lunchtime. There will be some very drunk Dortmund fans by kick off.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on May 25, 2013, 09:47:15 pm
Forest 2
Dortmund 1
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 25, 2013, 09:57:50 pm

I'm amazed to see a team as good as Borussia Dortmund rated at nigh on 4/1 by them there odds-makers to win a Champions League Final.



As I'm sure you're aware, the odds have little, if anything, to do with probabilities and everything to do with bookies' liabilities. Hence Bayern would always be favourites in this tie, as would Manure had they got there whoever they were playing.

This is why most people never make anything other than short term profits in betting shops as they're playing unwinnable odds. The successful professional gambler works out what price they want and, if they can't get it, they walk away, regardless of how likely the probabilities suggest.

That said, I've just completed an acca that won me £70 for a £2 stake, thanks to Robben. The true stake, though was £16 in perms to get there, but still approx 4.5 to 1 when I'd have got £15 back had they lost in covering bets I consider value. Plus I now have a "free" £ 20 rolling over into the Scottish Cup and Championship playoff Finals with a guaranteed £10 back what ever results come up. Most of this is thanks to my long shot, Wigan, in the FA Cup....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 26, 2013, 03:00:54 am
50 bet. 83 win. Nice.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on May 26, 2013, 12:45:40 pm

50 bet. 83 win. Nice.


What you going to do with your new found 33p?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 27, 2013, 05:45:30 pm
Well. Palace promoted it is. I think I'm happy with that. Despite losing my closest game. The Udinese/Watford thing leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on May 27, 2013, 05:51:08 pm
Palace go up, lose Zaha.  They'll be hard pressed to not get tw@tted every game next year... hope d*rby's record is safe!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 27, 2013, 06:17:39 pm
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18300000/Attempting-to-Give-a-f*ck-xxxsk8trxxx-18309009-353-132.gif)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on May 27, 2013, 07:42:31 pm


I thought Zaha was outstanding, but also Palace deserved it as they played with less fear.  Damien Delaney is definitely a defender I would like to see at Forest.  That's the first time I have seen him but he is some player.  The rest of Palace are quite average so Holloway has some serious work to do.  Although I would not be surprised if he could pull a few rabbits out of the hat.  I think watford have a transfer embargo for next season so that could be good news for us.  Does that include loans too?


Chicago: Enjoying my day off
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 27, 2013, 07:45:41 pm
Watford's transfer embargo just means they have to have their transfers approved. It's nothing.

They won't be relying on loans anyway next season as they won't be able to have as many - the rules have changed. But it'll make no difference, as they will just transfer the permanent registrations between Watford and Udinese.

Hard to see them finishing outside the top 6.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on May 27, 2013, 08:57:16 pm
Zaha was outstanding today, but he really needs to work on his last touch.  Far too many times he solo'd it down the wing, taking the piss out of the defenders, only to kick it nowhere. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 27, 2013, 09:12:33 pm
Franz Carr is alive and well....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on May 27, 2013, 09:27:53 pm

Franz Carr is alive and well....


Racist.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on May 27, 2013, 10:51:25 pm

Racist.


Some Girls was a classic.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 28, 2013, 01:43:01 pm
Apparently Martinez has quit Wigan. Will be interesting to see who they get as a replacement (they do have a parachute payment after all) but, for me, that makes them contenders for the play-offs, rather than top 2, as they would have been had he stayed.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on May 28, 2013, 01:49:50 pm
Agreed, and it could get worse for them depending on how many of their players decide that it's all over for them and fancy trying their luck elsewhere.

I guess this means that Martinez has been promised the Everton job.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 28, 2013, 05:28:41 pm
 I think Wigan could struggle next year. It often seems to be the case with sides coming down, but a side that has been built from the ground up by a manager who is leaving, with players who still have premier league ambitions, and others who are likely on huge PL salaries where the club will need need to consider FFP regulations and the focus of european competition causing everyone to lose focus on the bread-and-butter league games, all at a small club with sub-20k crowds for PL games and likely to be less in the championship.

Mid-table at best I reckon
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 28, 2013, 05:40:27 pm

I think Wigan could struggle next year. It often seems to be the case with sides coming down, but a side that has been built from the ground up by a manager who is leaving, with players who still have premier league ambitions, and others who are likely on huge PL salaries where the club will need need to consider FFP regulations and the focus of european competition causing everyone to lose focus on the bread-and-butter league games, all at a small club with sub-20k crowds for PL games and likely to be less in the championship.

Mid-table at best I reckon


Big parachute payments, excellent squad (their reserves dicked us all ends up, a while back). If they get a manager that holds to tippy-tappy footballing principles (more O'Driscoll, than the Billies), they'll be fine - even after losing some of their better players. A big change in method, could see them falter.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 28, 2013, 07:01:54 pm

Big parachute payments, excellent squad (their reserves dicked us all ends up, a while back). If they get a manager that holds to tippy-tappy footballing principles (more O'Driscoll, than the Billies), they'll be fine - even after losing some of their better players. A big change in method, could see them falter.


So - honest question here - do the parachute payments count as revenue as far as FFP is concerned? If so, that puts relegated premier league clubs at an even bigger advantage in the coming years.

I'm not so sure about the excellent squad. Yes, they dicked us but they have also just been relegated from the league above, finishing below the 'likes of' Soton, Sunderland and Norwich (I've also watched them a few times in the PL and they seemed nothing like the side that played us, football wise)....and will almost certainly lose their best players (as you would expect). If their manager was staying I would be more concerned, but with all the changes likely over the summer there, I think it will be a rocky road for them.

It's true that the manager choice will be critical although after having Martinez there for so long, thats one hell of a change.

Thats why I'm thinking 'Bolton' here
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 28, 2013, 07:05:37 pm

So - honest question here - do the parachute payments count as revenue as far as FFP is concerned?


Of course it does. It's income. All FFP aims to do is reduce losses.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 28, 2013, 07:46:00 pm

So - honest question here - do the parachute payments count as revenue as far as FFP is concerned? If so, that puts relegated premier league clubs at an even bigger advantage in the coming years.

I'm not so sure about the excellent squad. Yes, they dicked us but they have also just been relegated from the league above, finishing below the 'likes of' Soton, Sunderland and Norwich (I've also watched them a few times in the PL and they seemed nothing like the side that played us, football wise)....and will almost certainly lose their best players (as you would expect). If their manager was staying I would be more concerned, but with all the changes likely over the summer there, I think it will be a rocky road for them.

It's true that the manager choice will be critical although after having Martinez there for so long, thats one hell of a change.

Thats why I'm thinking 'Bolton' here


Yes, by jingo I think he's got it.  Parachute payments make a massive difference, and make the playing field uneven.

Wigan - I watched them more than a few times this last season, not least aided by their cup run.  In the main I thought they were really good in possession of the ball (lacking world class finishing, but created plenty though..), slightly less good without it......but mainly shonky in defence.  Cut out some of those errors, or fail to get punished as often at the level below, and they're a class apart.  Of course they may deteriorate under new management, but they'd have to deteriorate a long way to get down to our level. I'd currently put them ahead of Reading - and I expect Reading to be strong next season.

Bolton play to a super-annuated Championship style, which is why if they dip a little and lose a few players, championship teams can get about them. Wigan, assuming the style doesn't change radically (but maybe adds a bit of organisation), can move the ball about in ways that we can only dream of.  Might I persuade you to think Watford, instead of Bolton?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on May 28, 2013, 09:27:03 pm

So - honest question here - do the parachute payments count as revenue as far as FFP is concerned? If so, that puts relegated premier league clubs at an even bigger advantage in the coming years.


as per others.. aye. not content with giving relegated teams a massive wad of cash to ensure they are *probably* at a huge advantage over *almost every* other club, our loving authorities have created rules so that the relegated teams are *definitely* at a huge advantage over *every* other club.

c*nts.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: benningtonred on May 28, 2013, 10:33:06 pm

I think Wigan could struggle next year. It often seems to be the case with sides coming down, but a side that has been built from the ground up by a manager who is leaving, with players who still have premier league ambitions, and others who are likely on huge PL salaries where the club will need need to consider FFP regulations and the focus of european competition causing everyone to lose focus on the bread-and-butter league games, all at a small club with sub-20k crowds for PL games and likely to be less in the championship.

Mid-table at best I reckon


One thing Wigan have been very good at is not paying over the odds in player wages and ensuring that players are on contracts that take relegation into account. I'm pretty sure that, bar players seeking to leave, they'll be more than capable of retaining most of their players.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on May 29, 2013, 09:46:00 am
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink the new Royal Antwerp manager. Hopefully all that time putting out cones and picking up bibs for us has stood him in good stead.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on May 29, 2013, 11:35:00 am
Let's hope he doesn't raid his old club for Greening and d*rbyshire.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 30, 2013, 04:15:12 pm
Cardiff may be in the premier league but they apparently can't get shorts that match their shirts. (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-kit-201314-season-4027877?CMP=EMCFTBEML853)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on May 30, 2013, 04:23:29 pm
Looks like he borrowed his brother's rugby shorts as his footy shorts were in the wash.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 30, 2013, 10:33:06 pm

Looks like he borrowed his brother's rugby shorts as his footy shorts were in the wash.


They would be white then, surely?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on May 30, 2013, 11:17:22 pm
What, all egg chasing teams wear white shorts?  That's authenticity for you.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 31, 2013, 11:01:43 am

What, all egg chasing teams wear white shorts?  That's authenticity for you.


I can't think of any Welsh professional sides that have red shorts, although could be wrong
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 31, 2013, 01:43:30 pm
Suarez has told Liverpool he wants to leave.

Quote
"My reason for leaving is my family & my image, I don't feel comfortable here any more.

"It is a difficult moment for me, my coach and my colleagues know that they [the media] didn't treat me well.

"Because of the paparazzi I could not go in my garden, I could not go to the supermarket."


Here's a thought Luis, maybe the media would treat you a bit better if you stopped biting people and calling them niggers.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 31, 2013, 01:49:03 pm
It's not his fault, ok? They do things differently in Uruguruguay.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Guru on May 31, 2013, 01:58:34 pm

Suarez has told Liverpool he wants to leave.

Here's a thought Luis, maybe the media would treat you a bit better if you stopped cheating, diving, biting people and calling them niggers and you weren't playing for a club everyone hates


I would make a good editor, me
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on June 11, 2013, 05:16:47 am
Quote
Leeds United’s academy chiefs are involved in an ugly stand-off with the npower Championship club’s vice-chairman over his demands that the teenage son of a business acquaintance is given a place in the youth set-up, The Times has learnt.
Idris Tahar, an 18-year-old of North African descent, was given a couple of trials at Leeds’s academy last month on the insistence of Salah Nooruddin, the Bahrain-based businessman who was appointed the club’s vice-chairman a fortnight ago.
Although Tahar was flatly rejected on the grounds that he was not good enough, Nooruddin has continued to pressure the academy staff into accepting the teenager in the belief that it could be of financial benefit to the club and his own business, given his relationship with the player’s father.
The academy heads have refused to bow to Nooruddin’s continuing demands, but the situation is causing considerable disquiet at Elland Road, with GFH Capital — the Middle East-based private equity investor that owns 90 per cent of the club — known to be deeply uncomfortable with the developments.
The spokesman for GFH told The Times: “Academy places will always be offered on the basis of footballing merit alone”.
Once a prominent employee at Bahrain International Investment Bank, which purchased a 10 per cent shareholding in Leeds from GFH in March, Nooruddin — who has interests in real estate — owns 3.33 per cent of that stake in the club.
He joined the Leeds board at the end of April, when he took on what GFH described as a responsibility for “bringing new investors on board as part of GFH Capital’s strategy of building a successful and sustainable future for the club”.
A spokesman for GFH said that Nooruddin had no comment to make.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on June 11, 2013, 03:07:28 pm

Wigan - I watched them more than a few times this last season, not least aided by their cup run.  In the main I thought they were really good in possession of the ball (lacking world class finishing, but created plenty though..), slightly less good without it......but mainly shonky in defence.  Cut out some of those errors, or fail to get punished as often at the level below, and they're a class apart.


I saw them last season at Stoke and got a very similar impression. Defence wasn't the best but they were terrific moving the ball from back to front. I remember thinking if they could have unearthed a prolific striker they would have been punching well above their weight. Lovely to watch.

I was in the Stoke end and the clash of styles was really interesting. Second half Stoke couldn't get the ball off them and when they did looked clueless. Bloke in front stood up at one point and yelled: "Stop messing about and bloody gerrit up there!"

Man after Pulis's heart...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on June 11, 2013, 08:39:33 pm

I saw them last season at Stoke and got a very similar impression. Defence wasn't the best but they were terrific moving the ball from back to front. I remember thinking if they could have unearthed a prolific striker they would have been punching well above their weight. Lovely to watch.

I was in the Stoke end and the clash of styles was really interesting. Second half Stoke couldn't get the ball off them and when they did looked clueless. Bloke in front stood up at one point and yelled: "Stop messing about and bloody gerrit up there!"

Man after Pulis's heart...


And many at the City Ground unfortunately. Out of interest how many Wigan fans made the long trek to the potteries?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on June 11, 2013, 08:57:47 pm

Out of interest how many Wigan fans made the long trek to the potteries?


Both of them
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on June 11, 2013, 09:27:31 pm

And many at the City Ground unfortunately. Out of interest how many Wigan fans made the long trek to the potteries?


Not many. It was a midweek game in late January but Stoke isn't too far down the M6. I'd guess at maybe 300-400. Certainly didn't make much noise for either goal.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on June 12, 2013, 01:06:03 am
One of the more bizarre red cards you'll see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcEi5dGjng4#!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on June 12, 2013, 09:44:18 am
Honestly, those racist non-South Americans again fail to understand normal behaviour.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on June 12, 2013, 10:03:17 am

One of the more bizarre red cards you'll see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcEi5dGjng4#!


Unbelievable. What makes it even worse is his petulant, cnuty reaction to the red card. Being led away with an arm round the shoulders like a spoilt child and still mouthing off and thrashing around in pantomime fashion.

They really don't do themselves any favours, do they? Professional footballer > Likely cnut
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on June 12, 2013, 01:13:39 pm
Just in case anyone is vaguely interested, the capital cup first round draw is next Monday and the seeding list is out, and clearly they have worked out the north/south divide as being just south of Nottingham, as we are in the 'Northern' section and Leicester are in the 'Southern' section. I always thought it was the Trent that dictated the north/south divide, in which case Forest should be technically in the South.

Not that any of this matters in the slightest

Seeds - north
1. Barnsley2. Blackburn Rovers3. Blackpool4. Bolton Wanderers5. Burnley6. Crewe Alexandra7. d*rby County8. Doncaster Rovers9. Huddersfield Town10. Leeds United11. Middlesbrough12. Nottingham Forest13. Notts County14. Sheffield United15. Sheffield Wednesday16. Tranmere Rovers17. Walsall18. Wolverhampton Wanderers
Non seeds - north
19. Accrington Stanley20. Bradford City21. Burton Albion22. Bury23. Carlisle United24. Chesterfield25. Fleetwood Town26. Hartlepool United27. Mansfield Town28. Morecambe29. Oldham Athletic30. Port Vale31. Preston North End32. Rochdale33. Rotherham United34. Sc*nthorpe United35. Shrewsbury Town36. York City
Seeds - south
1. AFC Bournemouth2. Birmingham City3. Brentford4. Brighton and Hove Albion5. Bristol City6. Charlton Athletic7. Crawley Town8. Ipswich Town9. Leicester City10. Leyton Orient11. Millwall12. Milton Keynes Dons13. Peterborough United14. Queens Park Rangers15. Swindon Town16. Watford17. Yeovil Town
Non seeds - south
18. AFC Wimbledon19. Bristol Rovers20. Cheltenham Town21. Colchester United22. Coventry City23. Dagenham and Redbridge24. Exeter City25. Gillingham26. Newport County27. Northampton Town28. Oxford United29. Plymouth Argyle30. Portsmouth31. Southend United32. Stevenage33. Torquay United34. Wycombe Wanderers
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 12, 2013, 01:24:41 pm

Just in case anyone is vaguely interested, the capital cup first round draw is next Monday and the seeding list is out, and clearly they have worked out the north/south divide as being just south of Nottingham, as we are in the 'Northern' section and Leicester are in the 'Southern' section. I always thought it was the Trent that dictated the north/south divide, in which case Forest should be technically in the South.


But both 'halves' have to be equal sizes, so the line will vary according to promotion and relegation to/from the Championship and "league 2".
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on June 12, 2013, 01:28:29 pm

But both 'halves' have to be equal sizes, so the line will vary according to promotion and relegation to/from the Championship and "league 2".
And don;t

Wasn't there one season where we were in the North and Notts were in the South?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 12, 2013, 02:01:29 pm

And don;t

Wasn't there one season where we were in the North and Notts were in the South?


Ok, I didn't quite get it right as you have to have equal numbers of seeds and non-seeds in each half and, presumably, the number of seeds is determined solely by league position (so, top 35 are seeded, they are split in half geographically; then the other 35 are also split geographically - there's going to be a team in each group with 17 to the North and 17 to the South, and they both have to go into the same half.)

(Noticed that QPR are in the draw, while Reading and Wigan aren't, presumably Reading were saved by Wigan qualifying for Europe.)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on June 12, 2013, 03:29:53 pm
I thought QPR are in now due to coming bottom with the other two joining in the next round.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 12, 2013, 03:38:49 pm

I thought QPR are in now due to coming bottom with the other two joining in the next round.


Yeah but it looks a bit odd and arbitrary. Did Bolton and Blackburn go into the first round last year.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on June 12, 2013, 03:43:58 pm
There are 70 teams in the comp now so 35 next round when I imagine the two relegated teams plus those Prem teams not in Europe come back to round up the numbers.  No idea why the other two relegated teams can't play now but I assume it's the same every year.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on June 12, 2013, 03:46:30 pm
32 teams remain in the competition by the third round, maybe I should put this as a question on the quiz thread.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on June 12, 2013, 05:51:18 pm
So basically, for each region (north and south) a seeded team will be drawn against a non-seeded team?

I guess our 'plum' tie would therefore be against Mansfield Town.

Also hoping that Newport County get drawn against Leicester
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on June 12, 2013, 11:11:10 pm

Yeah but it looks a bit odd and arbitrary. Did Bolton and Blackburn go into the first round last year.


No, straight into second round.
It's just about balancing numbers so the seven European qualifiers get byes to the third round.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on June 17, 2013, 05:54:19 pm
http://blogs.thetimes.co.uk/section/the-game/103300/there-is-no-role-or-logic-in-having-kinnear-at-newcastle-in-2013/?shareToken=c1c53a32320516d6c97020a05c3cf2a5
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on June 17, 2013, 06:49:26 pm

http://blogs.thetimes.co.uk/section/the-game/103300/there-is-no-role-or-logic-in-having-kinnear-at-newcastle-in-2013/?shareToken=c1c53a32320516d6c97020a05c3cf2a5


I can't read the article any more, because it's no longer free.....but isn't Joke-in-ear coming in over the top of you, a sign to start looking for alternative employment (on a number of levels)?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on June 17, 2013, 07:17:40 pm
It was pretty scathing about Kinnear's previous time at Newcastle, and the idiocy of bringing him back. I wouldn't be happy if I were Pardew.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on June 17, 2013, 08:09:36 pm
El Joko obviously now has not just the pictures of Ashley from before, but also the tox lab report from the coffee he was served at the end of his previous tenure.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on June 17, 2013, 09:37:58 pm
First thing I thought when I heard was the Ashley regrets the monster of a contract he gave Pardew and is trying to drive him out.  I can't think of any other reason to have hired him.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on June 17, 2013, 09:39:07 pm

First thing I thought when I heard was the Ashley regrets the monster of a contract he gave Pardew and is trying to drive him out.  I can't think of any other reason to have hired him.


That crossed my mind as well.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on June 17, 2013, 09:45:30 pm
Doesn't sound like a very good idea to me. Pardew can now do any kind of job he wants and when he eventually gets sacked, pin the whole thing on Kinnear's arrival.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dj bobbins on June 17, 2013, 11:16:35 pm
http://theworldofsport.tumblr.com/post/53225519829/joe-kinnears-talksport-interview-remarkable#disqus_thread

Worth a listen. He's really not wired up right is he?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on June 18, 2013, 10:49:59 am

Doesn't sound like a very good idea to me. Pardew can now do any kind of job he wants and when he eventually gets sacked, pin the whole thing on Kinnear's arrival.


Or he can leave after Kinnear is appointed and sue for constructive dismissal. It "only" cost them £2 million to get rid of Keagan (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/oct/02/kevin-keegan-constructive-dismissal-newcastle) in this way because his contract put a cap on the compensation that could be paid. Maybe this is the cheapest way to get rid of Pardew. He was so excited to be offered 8 years that he didn't notice the clause?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 18, 2013, 10:52:49 am
Wasn't it made clear at the time that Pardew signed his 10 year contract, it had a one year notice period? Can't see why they'd go to the hassle of appointing Kinnear (which will mean paying him off as well at some stage), rather than just binning Pardew, if that's the aim.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on June 18, 2013, 11:55:22 am
Maybe they don't want to appoint Kinnear - just do enough to make Pardew jump? I think Joe is now hoping he can embarrass them so much, they'll either appoint him or pay him to shut up.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on June 18, 2013, 12:14:23 pm
I think its an excellent appointment. Almost as good as when they appointed Dennis Wise in a similar capacity.

(I actually quite like Jovial Joe, but this does seem a completely bizarre and left-field appointment, which clearly has some ulterior motive behind it)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: east end tree on June 18, 2013, 12:32:37 pm
Joe Kinnear's deeply awesome and sweary press conference rant from a few years back, as read by a computer (not entirely SFW):  http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/audio/2008/oct/03/joe.kinnear?CMP=twt_gu
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on June 18, 2013, 01:03:57 pm
Courtesy of the tw@ttersphere...

(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/782278969.jpg?1371489131)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on June 18, 2013, 01:47:54 pm
The first six league fixtures have been announced, in some sort of anniversary act by the FA.

We are not involved, however we do know that we won't be playing Bolton, Blackburn, d*rby or Burnley on the first day
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on June 18, 2013, 02:44:32 pm

The first six league fixtures have been announced, in some sort of anniversary act by the FA.

We are not involved, however we do know that we won't be playing Bolton, Blackburn, d*rby or Burnley on the first day


We'll also be at home as Notts are away on the opening day
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on June 18, 2013, 03:02:17 pm

We'll also be at home as Notts are away on the opening day


Surely that will depend if they are playing on Saturday or Sunday?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 18, 2013, 03:33:22 pm

Surely that will depend if they are playing on Saturday or Sunday?


Pretty sure only one of Notts and Forest play at home in any given "round" of games. (Allowing that the rounds don't always line-up as the lower divisions play in international weeks and have an extra cup competition.)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on June 20, 2013, 12:30:54 am
This Italy v Japan shenanigans is a cracking game. Woeful ref, mind.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on June 20, 2013, 05:14:08 pm
Notts have arranged a home friendly against Turkish champions Galatasaray, and also Rayo Vallecano. (http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/article/pre-season-confirmed-874579.aspx)

Our home friendly is against Royal Antwerp, from the Belgian second division. Utter sh!te; no ambition. We deserve Madrid, Milan, Munich or Mansfield, Fawaz, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on June 20, 2013, 05:41:20 pm

Notts have arranged a home friendly against Turkish champions Galatasaray, and also Rayo Vallecano. (http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/article/pre-season-confirmed-874579.aspx)

Our home friendly is against Royal Antwerp, from the Belgian second division. Utter sh!te; no ambition. We deserve Madrid, Milan, Munich or Mansfield, Fawaz, etc, etc.


I'm all in favour of pre-season friendlies against cannon fodder, to boost the players confidence.....although it didn't work for Tarka the Okker.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on June 20, 2013, 06:57:38 pm

I'm all in favour of pre-season friendlies against cannon fodder, to boost the players confidence.....although it didn't work for Tarka the Okker.


The problem is if the elephant turns poacher. Or if the banana that we think we can easily digest - proves too much - and we fumble it onto the floor, and; in trying to then put it safely away in the bin; we slip over the banana skin, which by doing so; we damage our confidence and dignity beyond any possible pre-season repair; with all metaphors and similes gone to absolute pot - leaving everyone involved, as sick as a parrot rather than over the moon, before the season has even begun.

It's a minefield of possibilities. What we need is Seat Pitch is do some football analytics. I'm sure JP agrees.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on June 20, 2013, 07:10:22 pm
It looks like Higuain is going to Arsenal, which is great shame because he's got an amazing goals record, which is exactly what they need, and I don't like Arsenal very much. Especially now I live in London, and have to suffer their holier-than-thou fans in their natural habitat.

I like Fever Pitch as much as anyone else, but the game's changed, and the country's changed. Arsenal fans seem to be readily assembling themselves nationwide for a smug-off with anybody who's up for the challenge. I can see them doing a "Chelsea" and jamming themselves to a Champions League, at some point in the future, which would be horrendous; much less horrendous than Chelsea or Liverpool winning it again but still horrendous, nonetheless.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on June 20, 2013, 10:39:31 pm
So what you're saying is that poached elephant and banana jam will cause arse and all horrendous high gain pitch resulting in fever?

You're even weirder than me.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on June 21, 2013, 10:20:34 am
If it's weird to throw metaphors and similes around like a clown at a pie eating contest; I'm weird.

Or I have watched way too much Police Squad.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on June 21, 2013, 10:55:23 am
But Police Squad was well written.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Loafé on June 21, 2013, 11:02:35 am
And funny.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on June 21, 2013, 06:04:46 pm
Police Squad was also "too visual for television".

And it was for that very reason - rather than for its good writing or for being funny, that it was rightly dumped after one series.

Though, Seat Pitch will obviously need to conduct an extended analysis before I can fully believe any of that. Meanwhile, I plead guilty to all charges made against me, and prepare myself for the onslaught of cheap and easy jokes at my expense. I can even pretend they're also well written and funny, if you like?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on June 21, 2013, 06:43:20 pm
Or you could pretend anybody else cares?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on June 21, 2013, 09:38:05 pm


I was busy for the last few days and couldn't bother reading backwards.  What the bloody hell are you muttering on about.  And please do it in 20 words or less my ADD won't allow me to go on much further than that...




Chicago: mildly interested
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on June 21, 2013, 09:41:03 pm
Who, me or Tonto's boss?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on June 21, 2013, 10:18:56 pm


Sorry, I lost interest.......






Chicago: Johnny Depp on Steroids
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on June 21, 2013, 10:25:21 pm
Me too. Stoopid Bank of Ingo....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on June 23, 2013, 10:24:48 pm
Poyet gone...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23024271
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on June 23, 2013, 10:43:08 pm
Classy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9RNOYRWs9xs
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on June 26, 2013, 02:21:07 pm
Mansfield Town are offering a deal that allows anyone to buy ten minutes of playing time in a Cup or league game for $20K.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on June 26, 2013, 02:27:02 pm
Brilliant!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on June 26, 2013, 02:27:42 pm
What, if any, requirements are there if someone wants to be registered as a league player? Is there a 'must not be sh!t' criterion?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dj bobbins on June 26, 2013, 02:45:02 pm
And Macclesfield Town
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on June 26, 2013, 02:58:17 pm

What, if any, requirements are there if someone wants to be registered as a league player? Is there a 'must not be sh!t' criterion?


I don't think so, I think a club can register anyone they want as a league player.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on June 26, 2013, 03:00:15 pm
Juve and Man City have agreed a deal for Tevez.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on June 28, 2013, 01:47:11 pm
Errr, what? http://twentyfour7football.com/blackpool-reject-ince-resignation-11366
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on July 02, 2013, 02:54:55 pm
Samba is about to go back to Anzhi Makhachkala for £12 million
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: benningtonred on July 02, 2013, 02:58:52 pm

Samba is about to go back to Anzhi Makhachkala for £12 million


Strange one considering how much Samba complained about the racist abuse he suffered whilst out there.  Them continuing to pay him his £100,000 a week contract seems to mean that he's happy to leave his morals behind.  I'd imagine that the original deal was in instalments so Anzhi are only paying a small amount in lieu of the money owed by QPR.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on July 02, 2013, 03:12:49 pm
From what I read earlier, QPR still owe Anzhi £12.5M on the deal. They're basically handing back the keys and walking away.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on July 02, 2013, 06:04:44 pm
McClaren to QPR as coach under Arry.  Could be they're lining him up to replace old fathead?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on July 02, 2013, 07:20:51 pm

From what I read earlier, QPR still owe Anzhi £12.5M on the deal. They're basically handing back the keys and walking away.


fair enough but they could have had the money, they must want him at that price.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 02, 2013, 09:43:21 pm

fair enough but they could have had the money, they must want him at that price.


Or that was an upfront agreement.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on July 03, 2013, 04:13:59 am
There's a rumour that Leicester are lining up Neil Warnock to replace Pearson.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on July 03, 2013, 07:48:16 am
Bit bizarre if true.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on July 03, 2013, 10:44:51 am

There's a rumour that Leicester are lining up Neil Warnock to replace Pearson.


That would be quite funny, given that a fox supporting colleague is always banging on about the integrity between board and manager, and how they are standing by Pearson which is the sensible, progressive way to behave...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on July 03, 2013, 12:01:39 pm
Joe Kinnear has accomplished something he never did as Forest boss, and got rid of James Perch (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11682/8803505/Transfer-news-Wigan-complete-signing-of-utility-man-James-Perch).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on July 03, 2013, 02:53:38 pm

Joe Kinnear has accomplished something he never did as Forest boss, and got rid of James Perch (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11682/8803505/Transfer-news-Wigan-complete-signing-of-utility-man-James-Perch).


Much maligned but a decent signing for Wigan. Perchy was a little like McGugan in that neither could hold down a regular starting role for Forest, albeit for very different reasons.

Perch was apparently the consummate professional who trained hard and listened to what his manager and coaching staff said. Probably through no fault of his own he got labelled with a 'jack of all trades, master of none' tag which he never managed to shake off at Forest.

That said, I thought getting six figures for him was decent business at the time.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on July 03, 2013, 03:03:34 pm
Seven figures, no? My recollection is that we got £1.2M for him.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on July 03, 2013, 03:20:41 pm

Seven figures, no? My recollection is that we got £1.2M for him.


Quite right. We did get over a million.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on July 03, 2013, 06:21:45 pm
Which still looks like good business doesn't it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on July 03, 2013, 10:34:01 pm
Shelvey to Swansea looks like a good fit to me.  Good for England too, potentially.  He's a lot better than Joe Allen.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on July 04, 2013, 02:41:59 pm
I can't quite get my head around the Coventry City ground-sharing at Northampton story on the beeb (and elsewhere).

I thought the stadium owners had offered the club the opportunity to play at the Ricoh Stadium for free following their recent spat and Coventry City entering administration.

I can only assume that there are some conditions attached to that 'offer' which wouldn't be in the clubs interests, hence the hard-ball being played by their owners.

It's a bit sh!t however, although Newport County had to groundshare 80 miles away from the city for a while whilst caught up in a row with the FAW, so these things happen. Seems a bit barking though with a big stadium sitting empty in the locality though.

Doubt they will end up ground-sharing, although I don't really understand the underlying reasons for the sabre-rattling
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on July 04, 2013, 02:44:56 pm
But Dave, you doubt everything that might seem half a degree off centre....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on July 04, 2013, 02:51:33 pm
Palace are supposedly going to sign Carlton Cole.  Having signed Gayle from Peterborough and Dobbie they seem to be putting together a worse Championship side than they had last season.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on July 04, 2013, 02:54:38 pm

But Dave, you doubt everything that might seem half a degree off centre....


As usual Ned, you can't be bothered to even read my post.

I said I didn't understand why the ground-share was necessary, given they had been offered free use of the Ricoh. If you know the answer to that, perhaps it would be useful to answer that.

If not, then wind your neck in
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on July 04, 2013, 03:44:44 pm
Nathan Redmond signs for Norwich, someone was bound to take a punt on him sooner or later.  It'll be interesting to see how many starts he gets and how he handles the step up.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on July 04, 2013, 03:45:32 pm

As usual Ned, you can't be bothered to even read my post.

I said I didn't understand why the ground-share was necessary, given they had been offered free use of the Ricoh. If you know the answer to that, perhaps it would be useful to answer that.

If not, then wind your neck in


It was a joke.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on July 04, 2013, 03:47:47 pm
Here's the thing with Coventry, they're busy trying to paint the stadium owners as the bad guys but as far as I can tell this SISU mob bought the club for a song, sold the ground, trousered the money, moved into a new stadium that had been built at least in part with public money, spent nine-tenths of f*ck all on the team, and are now complaining that they're not being given a sweetheart deal. By comparison, they make Nigel Wray and Irving Scholar look like Sheikh Mansour.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on July 04, 2013, 04:40:50 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23147193

I was half tempted until I saw the price of the tickets.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 04, 2013, 04:48:48 pm

Here's the thing with Coventry, they're busy trying to paint the stadium owners as the bad guys but as far as I can tell this SISU mob bought the club for a song, sold the ground, trousered the money, moved into a new stadium that had been built at least in part with public money, spent nine-tenths of f*ck all on the team, and are now complaining that they're not being given a sweetheart deal. By comparison, they make Nigel Wray and Irving Scholar look like Sheikh Mansour.


They were already in the Ricoh before SISU took over and they were in a financial mess then. There were, of course, the normal expectations/promises that they were going to spend a fortune and take them back to their 'rightful' Premier League place.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on July 04, 2013, 04:58:44 pm

They were already in the Ricoh before SISU took over and they were in a financial mess then. There were, of course, the normal expectations/promises that they were going to spend a fortune and take them back to their 'rightful' Premier League place.


Ok, so I understand why SISU would want out of the £1.3m per season rental + zero matchday revenue deal that had been agreed with the stadium owners.

But now the stadium owners have said they can play there rent free next season, why are SISU still looking to make them play in Northampton? Is it just a childish spat between the two organisations being conducted in public?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dj bobbins on July 04, 2013, 11:13:34 pm
Leicester have been awarded category one academy status
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Todd on July 05, 2013, 01:39:19 am

Ok, so I understand why SISU would want out of the £1.3m per season rental + zero matchday revenue deal that had been agreed with the stadium owners.

But now the stadium owners have said they can play there rent free next season, why are SISU still looking to make them play in Northampton? Is it just a childish spat between the two organisations being conducted in public?


The offer for rent free, as I understand it, lasts for as long as they are in administration.  Once out of it, they'll presumably have to pay normal rent.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on July 05, 2013, 07:39:14 am
So Leicester have category one academy status. We have category two. What are the implications of this?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on July 05, 2013, 07:55:41 am

So Leicester have category one academy status. We have category two. What are the implications of this?


We can't take sex offenders and violent criminals.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on July 05, 2013, 08:20:47 am

So Leicester have category one academy status. We have category two. What are the implications of this?


They get better sandwiches in the canteen
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on July 05, 2013, 09:09:21 am

So Leicester have category one academy status. We have category two. What are the implications of this?


They're going to have some brilliantly witty terrace songs when we play them next season.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on July 05, 2013, 09:17:02 am

They're going to have some brilliantly witty terrace songs when we play them next season.


They are going to have to go some to beat the all conquring classic prefered by certain sections of our support.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on July 05, 2013, 09:21:48 am

So Leicester have category one academy status. We have category two. What are the implications of this?


It means they will attract the top level talent, and we will attract second level talent.  I wouldn't worry too much about it though.  Fawaz and the Billies will just buy whatever they need, not develop it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on July 05, 2013, 09:29:14 am

It means they will attract the top level talent, and we will attract second level talent.  I wouldn't worry too much about it though.  Fawaz and the Billies will just buy whatever they need, not develop it and sell it off to PL clubs for peanuts.


FTFY.  Several lower level clubs have already closed their academies following the farce that EPPP has turned out to be - the costs of developing their rising stars are exceeding the amount they get from Chelskiunitedsenal.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on July 05, 2013, 10:14:14 am

FTFY.  Several lower level clubs have already closed their academies following the farce that EPPP has turned out to be - the costs of developing their rising stars are exceeding the amount they get from Chelskiunitedsenal.


It's a fair point. The system as it stands is riven with f*cknuttery, and there's not a compelling argument for pouring resources into youth development, if you can't secure the fruits of that work.  I can't imagine what the clueless chimps at the administrative centre of the game were thinking of...except for what is best for the 'big clubs'.  It seems obvious and sensible that 'compensation' for youth development should be related to the value of the contract that the developing club are prepared to offer their player, not the combined value of stuff that they had from the tuck shop over the course of their development.

...and when the rules change, it's entirely reasonable for the club to change it's strategy to not fall foul of them.

I know a player who has developed through the Forest youth team (I'm a friend of a family member), and is on a professional contract, but has not made first team level yet.  When SOD was here he was told that he would be joining up with the first team squad in a few months....I know that he's now looking for a loan deal elsewhere, and expecting to have to find another club to progress with, because it wont be happening at Forest.  I'm not saying that as a stick to beat anyone with - in my opinion he's not championship first team level, at least not yet.  It does highlight that difficulty of transitioning players from youth to first team level, and how a difference in approach of a changed club setup can have an effect.  Under the current system it's hard to envisage anything other than lower level clubs becoming development clubs for higher level clubs....it happens already to a degree.

It seems crazy that a system has come into being that means a small amount of top talent is concentrated in the big clubs, and lower level clubs just take hand me downs from there.  It massively reduces the pool of English talent, and makes it even harder for the progression of home grown players into the top level game.  I think that's where we are headed though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on July 05, 2013, 10:27:38 am
The category status is largely related to the size of the operating costs being ploughed into the academy. I know there are some benefits in terms of poaching future talent from cat 2 clubs, but I guess the club itself and league standing comes into play as well for a championship club, more than say for Arsenal or Chelsea.

Being Cat 1 didn't exactly help Wolves last season, either :)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on July 05, 2013, 10:29:31 am
You don't know that, they might have been even worse if they were Cat 2....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 05, 2013, 10:34:47 am
Isn't the principle behind EPPP to turn the big clubs into centres of excellence (for want of a better term) for coaching the best youngsters in an attempt to create an elite (of players, rather than clubs). Give the best prospects the best technical coaching, best fitness, best whatever else they need. Does it really suit the needs of the best youngsters if they are at Wycombe (or whereever) where the facilities and coaching standards aren't up to the mark. I can see it's good for Wycombe (so they have an asset they can sell) but not so sure for the player or, in the broader context, the England national team.

Probably the best way to have done that would be to take youth development out of the control of professional "clubs" altogether and bring it under the control of the FA. But they tried that at Lilleshall and that didn't work either.

Leicester getting cat 1 means that, in theory, they can watch any of our games and take any of our best prospects for a token fee until they are 16 (/18? not sure). But anyone else with cat 1 can anyway and I can't see the hour drive being a significant disincentive for Villa.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on July 05, 2013, 10:38:19 am

It means they will attract the top level talent, and we will attract second level talent.  I wouldn't worry too much about it though.  Fawaz and the Billies will just buy whatever they need, not develop it.


If they can buy top level English academy products from cosmopolitan Premier League clubs, who gives a flying one?

Or am I supposed to get sentimental that "young lad comes from down road"?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on July 05, 2013, 10:59:01 am
If they can buy top level English academy products from cosmopolitan Premier League clubs, who gives a flying one? Or am I supposed to get sentimental that "young lad comes from down road"?


Not at all. I think a well run club adapts to the environment it is exposed to, and the argument for pouring a lot of resource into youth development has been undermined.

I think it vastly increases the importance of the ability to spot value players who are ready for first team level. Personally I'd be more comfortable with a manager who could spot a McCleary, and minimised the number of Claude Davises, but YMMV. My current attitude to youth development is that the governing bodies don't seem to want to encourage us to do it, and we're seemingly not that great at it, so why bother?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on July 05, 2013, 11:15:49 am
Spotting value players is tricky though isn't it? Imagine, the mainstay of Preston's defence is a 25 year old centre back. He's helped to keep 24 clean sheets in 38 appearances. There's a real buzz about the guy which is why the club is asking for £3 million... you know who you've just bought, don't you?


Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 05, 2013, 11:21:41 am
Hitler?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on July 05, 2013, 11:25:39 am

Spotting value players is tricky though isn't it? Imagine, the mainstay of Preston's defence is a 25 year old centre back. He's helped to keep 24 clean sheets in 38 appearances. There's a real buzz about the guy which is why the club is asking for £3 million... you know who you've just bought, don't you?


That's why you need someone with an independent eye - someone who can see what a player can be, not what everyone else thinks they are.  It would take an absolute genius to spot a journeyman forward, and turn him into the footballer of the year at centre-half.  The skill of talent spotting doesn't often occur in the same package as a good man-manager skill set...it's why Clough was an awful lot more potent with Taylor doing the talent spotting.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on July 05, 2013, 11:31:13 am

Hitler?


I had to + that.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on July 05, 2013, 03:30:46 pm

You don't know that, they might have been even worse if they were Cat 2....

Is this the gradual progression from Cat 5 to fibre optic?

BT out!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 05, 2013, 05:03:33 pm
Oh look. Limiting inter country loans makes no difference at all to Watford as Udinese will just give them players they need: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11686/8809085/Sky-Sources-Watford-close-to-signing-eight-players-on-permanent-deals
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on July 05, 2013, 05:53:17 pm
What do Udinese get out of this?  Players with a bit more experience, shifting the wage bill a bit over to Watford?  Or is there something more sinister...? (probably not)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on July 05, 2013, 06:00:16 pm

What do Udinese get out of this?  Players with a bit more experience, shifting the wage bill a bit over to Watford?  Or is there something more sinister...? (probably not)


Lewis McGugan.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 05, 2013, 06:04:13 pm

What do Udinese get out of this?  Players with a bit more experience, shifting the wage bill a bit over to Watford?  Or is there something more sinister...? (probably not)


They have the same owner. It's clearly in his interest to get all three teams into their respective top divisions, so he can get three lots of TV money and bring three lots of players to wider attention. Don't think there's any more to it than that.

The principle is that they have a great scouting system and put the players they find into whichever of the three leagues suits them best.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on July 05, 2013, 06:54:49 pm

They have the same owner. It's clearly in his interest to get all three teams into their respective top divisions, so he can get three lots of TV money and bring three lots of players to wider attention. Don't think there's any more to it than that.

The principle is that they have a great scouting system and put the players they find into whichever of the three leagues suits them best.


it's a good strategy too. but i expect that the suits are already working our how they'll ban it. i think there are already rules preventing ownership of more than one club competing in uefa competitions. at the very least, these guys will, if things go particularly well, pick a favourite. at that point, the supporters of the other two might get a bit narked.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on July 05, 2013, 07:02:37 pm
Michael Johnson retires at 24.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/former-city-starlet-michael-johnson-1536887

Quote
Today devastated Johnson said: “I am more disappointed than anyone but that’s the way it goes.”

The midfielder added: “I have been attending the Priory Clinic for a number of years now with regard to my mental health.

"I would be grateful if I could now be left alone to live the rest of my life.”


It seems easy to say that it's hard to sympathise with someone making 25 grand a week for five years, but clearly some people aren't cut out for that kind of life. I hope they do as he asks, and I hope he finds some kind of happiness.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on July 05, 2013, 07:15:21 pm
After five years at 25k a week, I reckon I could at least find some drugs, booze, and hookers, sort of happiness.


.....I know, I know....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on July 05, 2013, 09:05:17 pm

Michael Johnson retires at 24.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/former-city-starlet-michael-johnson-1536887

It seems easy to say that it's hard to sympathise with someone making 25 grand a week for five years, but clearly some people aren't cut out for that kind of life. I hope they do as he asks, and I hope he finds some kind of happiness.


But this, or certainly those exact quotes, happened months ago. Daniel Taylor was reporting it at the time. It's still Christmas at the Mirror.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Psychobella on July 06, 2013, 05:32:27 pm
Real shame. He showed glimpses of being World Class. Moved and passed like Zidane at times.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Loafé on July 06, 2013, 10:13:31 pm

Spotting value players is tricky though isn't it? Imagine, the mainstay of Preston's defence is a 25 year old centre back. He's helped to keep 24 clean sheets in 38 appearances. There's a real buzz about the guy which is why the club is asking for £3 million... you know who you've just bought, don't you?


I am being dumb. Who?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on July 06, 2013, 10:16:18 pm
Claude Davis innit.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on July 06, 2013, 10:34:30 pm

I am being dumb. Who?


Quote from: d*rby county
In 18 months with the club Davis, during which d*rby were relegated from the Premier League after just one season, Davis played only 27 league games and was eventually freed from his contract despite it having two years left to run. Upon leaving he was described by one commentator as the club's "worst major signing" in its history.


Quote from: crystal palace
he was involved in a challenge with Roger Johnson that left the latter in hospital, resulting in a three match ban for violent conduct, ending his loan spell at the Eagles.


Quote from: crawley town
On 27 March 2012, following a 2-1 away win for Crawley Town, a post-match brawl broke out between players from Bradford City and Crawley Town in which five players were sent off and punches were thrown. Davis was deemed by many, including referee Iain Williamson, as instigating the fight and was sent off.


Quote from: rotherham united
On his league début on 26 January 2013, Davis conceded a penalty for the opening goal for Bristol Rovers and got sent off, both in the last 3 minutes of the first half.


I see what you're saying Graham, an understandable mistake, and our talent spotting future is safe with the billies.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on July 08, 2013, 12:33:06 pm
Isn't our talent spotting in the hands of Bob Down?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on July 08, 2013, 12:56:58 pm

Isn't our talent spotting in the hands of Bob Down?


Presumably the Billies is just 'advising, and recommending'?  If so, what was the problem before?  If not, be afraid.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on July 08, 2013, 01:03:18 pm

Isn't our talent spotting in the hands of Bob Down?


What relation is he to our billie?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on July 08, 2013, 02:43:37 pm
Lover.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mos on July 08, 2013, 06:38:00 pm
And Billie's sleeping with Bob's Icelandic brother, Eider
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on July 08, 2013, 06:55:13 pm

Lover.


Exactly.  When you said recruitment was in the hands of bob down, I immediately thought that you meant our Nat, when of course you really meant Bobby Downes. This is not a mistake that you'd want awr Billies to make, and it would leave a nasty taste in the mouth of our head of recruitment.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on July 08, 2013, 06:57:21 pm
Not forgetting Natalie "Go" Down, nee Jackson.

Allegedly.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on July 09, 2013, 11:01:27 am
Shouldn't you girls be reading OK Magazine rather than wasting your time on here?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on July 10, 2013, 08:32:58 am
He's Ebeneezer Goode in defence (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11703/8813934/Transfer-News-Sheffield-Wednesday-are-looking-at-Nortei-Nortey)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on July 10, 2013, 09:25:31 am

He's Ebeneezer Goode in defence (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11703/8813934/Transfer-News-Sheffield-Wednesday-are-looking-at-Nortei-Nortey)


Stolen. +1
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on July 10, 2013, 11:08:27 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23240104

This is great, and I just wonder how anyone involved would even remotely consider that these results wouldn't raise any eyebrows at all...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on July 10, 2013, 11:39:49 am

He's Ebeneezer Goode in defence (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11703/8813934/Transfer-News-Sheffield-Wednesday-are-looking-at-Nortei-Nortey)



That is one of my favourite things of the year.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on July 13, 2013, 08:19:09 am
Nice tache (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23297785).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: pantzcat on July 13, 2013, 10:26:04 am

Nice tache (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23297785).


I knew who that was going to be before I clicked the link!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on July 13, 2013, 10:34:10 am
Sorry for the spoiler!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on July 16, 2013, 11:25:22 am
I think I know how he made his money.

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvd_GjGAeMwPO1Yyo_Rzno0OMpiubO0T6KW76nJyld0SlKmPAjlg)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on July 17, 2013, 10:35:20 am
Apparently Man U have turned down a bid for Rooney by Chelsea.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on July 17, 2013, 10:56:08 am
I'd want to leave if I was Rooney. I think I'd be half bored and fancy a change, and half annoyed at not being first choice (wrongly). Though Chelsea seems a strange move.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on July 17, 2013, 11:18:38 am
Still, if you can undermine Moyes and unsettle the ManU squd before the season even kicks off, why not?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on July 17, 2013, 11:33:24 am

Still, if you can undermine Moyes and unsettle the ManU squd before the season even kicks off, why not?


See also Wes Morgan.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on July 17, 2013, 12:21:54 pm

I'd want to leave if I was Rooney. I think I'd be half bored and fancy a change, and half annoyed at not being first choice (wrongly). Though Chelsea seems a strange move.


I know it's mong tastic but I'd shut the f*ck up and count my money.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on July 17, 2013, 12:23:15 pm

I know it's mong tastic but I'd shut the f*ck up and count my money.


Can you count past 12...?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 17, 2013, 12:45:18 pm
I see d*rby's new away kit is red. Popular choice?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on July 18, 2013, 10:21:37 am
They'll be fine, their fans don't go to away games, nobody will notice.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 19, 2013, 11:45:13 am
Shock! Change to loan rules makes no difference to Watford (http://www.watfordfc.com/news/article/130719-eight-signings-909189.aspx?) as they just sign players from Udinese and Grenada "permanently".
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on July 19, 2013, 12:57:44 pm

Shock! Change to loan rules makes no difference to Watford (http://www.watfordfc.com/news/article/130719-eight-signings-909189.aspx?) as they just sign players from Udinese and Grenada "permanently".


The only surprise to me is that there have been no premier league bids for any of their players
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on July 19, 2013, 02:41:46 pm
Is this Money Laundering?

UEFA must look at this.  There appears to be little to stop these three clubs from moving players around.  I very much doubt that Watford are paying the market value of these players.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on July 19, 2013, 02:44:48 pm

Is this Money Laundering?

UEFA must look at this.  There appears to be little to stop these three clubs from moving players around.  I very much doubt that Watford are paying the market value of these players.


No it's clutching at straws.

This company seems to be at least 3 times smarter than UEFA which unfortunatley does not qualify you for any type of award. Fair play to them.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 19, 2013, 02:48:34 pm

Is this Money Laundering?

UEFA must look at this.  There appears to be little to stop these three clubs from moving players around.  I very much doubt that Watford are paying the market value of these players.


How would it be money laundering?

Udinese, Watford and Grenada have the same owner and they are free to charge (or not charge) whatever they want to move players between those clubs. Those owners want all three clubs in their respective top divisions, so they will do whatever they can to achieve that.

It drives a coach and  horses through FFP but it beggars belief that the rest of the league couldn't see this coming when they changed the rules. It was totally obvious to me.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on July 19, 2013, 03:47:27 pm
Got my season tickets today. Arsenal fans think they'e hysterically quaint. They just top up their cards apparently. Soulless peanut sellers.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on July 19, 2013, 04:36:49 pm

Got my season tickets today. Arsenal fans think they'e hysterically quaint. They just top up their cards apparently. Soulless peanut sellers.


I've never classed Arsenal fans as football fans. I've always seen them as repressed ballet or opera fans.  Do you have to get your card topped up to watch an opera these days?

I've also never classed Sheffield United, Stoke, Hull, Burnley, Bradford, Oldham or Tranmere fans as "football fans" albeit for entirely different reasons. They always strike me as people who attend football matches in the hope they'll actually end up being played out like rugby league. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on July 19, 2013, 04:43:49 pm

It drives a coach and  horses through FFP


i'm looking forward to sheik mansour taking over a bulgarian non-league team, buying messi for £200m, and then shipping him over to citeh for £12.00 and a goat called dave.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on July 19, 2013, 06:51:57 pm
Dave's a goat?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on July 19, 2013, 07:26:21 pm

Dave's a goat?


Shame, because Billy goat works so much better, on so many levels.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on July 19, 2013, 07:39:41 pm
It's a good job Witty's not around at the moment.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on July 25, 2013, 10:08:25 pm
Millwall sign Steve Morison from Stevenage for £130K. They sell him to Norwich for £2.8M, who then exchange him plus a bit of cash for Leeds' best player, and six months later Leeds send him back to Millwall on a season long loan. Good business, Leeds.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on July 26, 2013, 10:32:29 am
We don't have a specific d*rby thread do we?

Good business for a player in the last year of his contract (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23456875) but selling one of their best players is hardly laying down a marker for the play-off push Nigel was talking about.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on July 27, 2013, 06:59:35 pm
Watched quite a bit of Leicester 0 Monaco 3. I know it was just a friendly but Lestah looked quite sh!t.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on July 28, 2013, 11:23:16 am
Watched Leeds play Nuremberg yesterday and Leeds didn't have a meaningful attack all game. It was pre season and they were playing a Bundesliga side but they looked poor.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on August 02, 2013, 11:51:16 am
Never liked Coventry, but you have to feel for their fans about this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23548760
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on August 02, 2013, 01:24:35 pm

Never liked Coventry, but you have to feel for their fans about this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23548760


Or laugh at them. Sorry, my mate Pete. (Not really.)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: pantzcat on August 02, 2013, 01:31:40 pm
Coventry are one of those insignificant nothings of a club it's difficult to muster any f*cks to give either way.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on August 02, 2013, 01:53:40 pm

Coventry are one of those insignificant nothings of a club it's difficult to muster any f*cks to give either way.



Agreed. If a club has to go properly titsup to give everyone a wake up call, and it's not going to be Notts, then it might as well be Coventry.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on August 02, 2013, 06:22:01 pm
All the more galling for them that their neighbours in Leicester got away scot free with it some years ago.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 02, 2013, 07:24:07 pm
The League has deducted Coventry 10 points for entering the season in administration.

I realise I'm going to get accused of being a Leeds sympathiser here, but can anyone please tell me a sensible (i.e. not "because it's Dirty Leeds and they deserve it hurhurhur") reason why Leeds got 15 points and Coventry only get 10 for committing what, as far as I can tell, is exactly the same offence?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on August 02, 2013, 07:34:51 pm
According to Wikipedia (yeah, I know), 10 points for entering administration and an additional 5 for not exiting via a CVA.

I don't know if that makes it fair - but that's apparently what happened.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 02, 2013, 07:38:50 pm
Is that not exactly what Coventry have done? Or do they have an additional five points hanging over them which will be applied if they don't have a CVA in place by kick off tomorrow?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on August 02, 2013, 07:41:49 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/02/coventry-liquidation-15-point-deduction (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/02/coventry-liquidation-15-point-deduction)

Sheesh, do I have to do everything for you?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 02, 2013, 07:48:50 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23548760
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on August 02, 2013, 08:48:22 pm

The League has deducted Coventry 10 points for entering the season in administration.

I realise I'm going to get accused of being a Leeds sympathiser here, but can anyone please tell me a sensible (i.e. not "because it's Dirty Leeds and they deserve it hurhurhur") reason why Leeds got 15 points and Coventry only get 10 for committing what, as far as I can tell, is exactly the same offence?


i've not read up on this much. coventry are just too boring. but, if my vague understanding/memory is correct leeds football club went bust and it was a new entity that took the 'golden share'. the deduction was the price that fellow clubs demanded to ratify the transfer of said share. the coventry city that will play this season is the same coventry city that played last season... so, in legal form, it's an entirely different situation.

also, everyone hates leeds.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on August 02, 2013, 09:36:03 pm
It said on the radio prob i heard cov were going to face a minimum 15 point deduction
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on August 03, 2013, 07:47:27 am
I believe Cov will get the extra points deducted when they exit administration. At the moment there's still a possibility they'll have a CVA.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on August 03, 2013, 02:50:25 pm
If Remy stays at QPR I comfortably expect them to win the league. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on August 07, 2013, 02:22:48 pm


james Mclean apparently going to Wigan.  I remember him for Sunderland against Arsenal and he was immense.  Yes he is a bit of an arse, (but aren't all footballers mardy?) but Wigan at this rate are going to piss this league.

I reckon they will win followed by Watford and their transfer embargo breaking nastiness (oh yeah and err McGugan)>

The rest is all up for grabs.


Chicago: keen observer. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on August 07, 2013, 02:55:42 pm
Well Wigan have a huge fixture list due to their european schedule. That could easily take its toll, and of course who knows what injury problems they will have too. (And Coyle is a cant)

I see Watford as the most dangerous side in the division, beyond them I don't know. 'They Say' it takes 10 games to really see the runners and riders for promotion....lets just hope we are up there by then
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on August 07, 2013, 11:04:36 pm
Luis Suarez and Liverpool are in in many  ways a perfect  combination which should not be divided.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fcs-luis-suarez-showing-5677358


It's hard to fathom why Arsenal would want him.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on August 08, 2013, 12:14:33 am
To really piss off a bunch of scouse c*nts? A laudable aim, in my view.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on August 08, 2013, 09:45:32 am

To really piss off a bunch of scouse c*nts? A laudable aim, in my view.


and suarez himself should be praised for such a fine attempt to atone for his previous c*ntitude.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on August 08, 2013, 09:56:16 am
Daniel Taylor is pretty good today.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/07/luis-suarez-liverpool-arsenal-loyalty
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on August 08, 2013, 10:23:21 am
Worth it for the word Arseblog.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on August 08, 2013, 11:17:54 am
...bit mean of him to say that he's the sort of player to move every other year...on a normal three year contract that means he's moving on for a fee, rather than running his contract down. He's not a c*nt for that, it's the other stuff that's the problem.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on August 08, 2013, 04:45:10 pm

Daniel Taylor is pretty good today.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/07/luis-suarez-liverpool-arsenal-loyalty


That was a really good read. Interesting stuff from the Arseblog bloke as well - quite sad that people's values can change once the shirt colour matches their own, or in this case if there's even a chance it might.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on August 08, 2013, 05:05:36 pm
That was the point I alluded to a few posts above. Arsenal fans want big money signings; so desperate are they that they would be happy to see £50m chucked at a player who will be wanting off in a year's time, because his employer lacks ambition/the press are nasty/he's been banned for racism and is keen to get out of English football.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on August 08, 2013, 10:11:41 pm
To be honest, I don't see whats shocking about the whole Suarez thing

Insanely talented player with bad boy reputation, gets an opportunity - at a point where he should be coming into his peak - to play Champions League football and live in London, rather than scrap around in a 2nd rate european competition and live in some desolate north-west dreary town. Many supporters of the club looking to buy him overlook some of his bad-boy antics because despite their size and fashionable-status the last time they won a trophy they were kicking around a pigs bladder and most of the first team had wax moustaches. The club executives are willing to finance the deal because they know he probably won't stay around long, and could well fetch more money when a bunch of sombrero wearing spaniards come in for him.

It's not even a surprise when Liverpools pig-faced manager starts bleating about loyalty, which is a stupid argument in most places of employment at the best of times, and moreso when Suarez is such a saleable commodity.

The only thing that surprises me is this 'release clause' thing in the contract. If, as has been said, the clause triggers the ability for clubs to 'talk' to the player but doesn't actually set a price he can leave at, then it seems a completely pointless and stupid clause, and one which is only likely to result in a situation like this. I can't see how the clause was in either parties interest.

But rather like the Berbatov thing the other year, it's getting boring now as no-one seems to talk about anything else. The sooner Bale, Rooney and Suarez make their moves the better. All this inane chatter about it makes me want to stab the radio everytime i turn it on. These c*nts wasting their time debating it all should think themselves lucky that they are not chewing over the relative attributes of Marcus Tudgay and Simon f*cking Gillet.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on August 08, 2013, 10:28:59 pm

Many supporters of the club looking to buy him overlook some of his bad-boy antics because despite their size and fashionable-status the last time they won a trophy they were kicking around a pigs bladder and most of the first team had wax moustaches.


That's a touch harsh on Liverpool and very much harsher on Arsenal. In fact, it would probably be a more appropriate description of us :(

I'm liking the passion though - bring it on, take it to the games and we can live the impending relegation dream next year after we've opened up wage clauses and spunked jazzillions on people we've never heard of.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on August 08, 2013, 10:44:17 pm

To be honest, I don't see whats shocking about the whole Suarez thing

Insanely talented player with bad boy reputation, gets an opportunity - at a point where he should be coming into his peak - to play Champions League football and live in London, rather than scrap around in a 2nd rate european competition and live in some desolate north-west dreary town. Many supporters of the club looking to buy him overlook some of his bad-boy antics because despite their size and fashionable-status the last time they won a trophy they were kicking around a pigs bladder and most of the first team had wax moustaches. The club executives are willing to finance the deal because they know he probably won't stay around long, and could well fetch more money when a bunch of sombrero wearing spaniards come in for him.

It's not even a surprise when Liverpools pig-faced manager starts bleating about loyalty, which is a stupid argument in most places of employment at the best of times, and moreso when Suarez is such a saleable commodity.

The only thing that surprises me is this 'release clause' thing in the contract. If, as has been said, the clause triggers the ability for clubs to 'talk' to the player but doesn't actually set a price he can leave at, then it seems a completely pointless and stupid clause, and one which is only likely to result in a situation like this. I can't see how the clause was in either parties interest.

But rather like the Berbatov thing the other year, it's getting boring now as no-one seems to talk about anything else. The sooner Bale, Rooney and Suarez make their moves the better. All this inane chatter about it makes me want to stab the radio everytime i turn it on. These c*nts wasting their time debating it all should think themselves lucky that they are not chewing over the relative attributes of Marcus Tudgay and Simon f*cking Gillet.


All of which is fair, and well put. Bale is massively overpriced and Spudz should get rid whilst the offer is on table. Rooney - past his best and the same applies. Suarez - the interest lies in the fact that Arsenal fans are stupid enough to want him, and the club hierarchy likewise.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on August 08, 2013, 10:47:25 pm

very much harsher on Arsenal. In fact, it would probably be a more appropriate description of us :(


Perhaps, but thats how Arsenal supporters see things - at least the ones I have heard spouting off on the wireless

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on August 08, 2013, 10:53:47 pm

All of which is fair, and well put. Bale is massively overpriced and Spudz should get rid whilst the offer is on table. Rooney - past his best and the same applies. Suarez - the interest lies in the fact that Arsenal fans are stupid enough to want him, and the club hierarchy likewise.


If I was the Spurs chairman I would snap off their hand and try and try and hijack the Suarez deal, merely to piss the neighbours, fully intending on flogging him to Real Madrid when they realise their treatment table suddenly develops a Bale-sized arse print and come looking for another 'marquee' signing :)

And use the rest of the money to pay off the new training ground, and buy Miller, Blackstock and Collins for £5m each

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on August 08, 2013, 11:42:33 pm

Suarez - the interest lies in the fact that Arsenal fans are stupid enough to want him, and the club hierarchy likewise.


I'd still like to believe that Wenger doesn't really want him, hence the procrastination even at 40 million plus the obviously derisory pound on top.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on August 09, 2013, 02:35:22 am

I'd still like to believe that Wenger doesn't really want him, hence the procrastination even at 40 million plus the obviously derisory pound on top.


Wenger is a wily old fox, with a plain nasty streek. I wouldn't put it past him to have found out about the clause, and tabled a bid for disruption purposes...you can always fail to agree terms with the player, or fail him on an eye test.

For me, I hate the transfer silly season, and don't get involved in speculation. Tell me when you've signed a player, then get on with playing football. You c*nts.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on August 09, 2013, 09:19:39 am
Ha. Ha ha. Ha: http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Hull-Tigers-Allam-s-changing-Hull-City-s-dropping/story-19637882-detail/story.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on August 09, 2013, 09:43:50 am
Arseblog is very amusing today.



It seems to me that ultimately Madrid won't buy Bale (although Spudz should wise up and take the huge sum currently on offer), and Liverpool won't sell Suarez to a Premiership team, so can you guess where Suarez will end up?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on August 09, 2013, 10:27:55 am
As long as Suarez leaves Liverpool on Transfer Deadline Day - so Liverpool can't buy any replacements - the football world can be happy.

On the bad side, though, the Scousers will have £50m to spend in January and will be able to put a lot of considered thought into who they can get (i.e. not shed their load on someone like Andy Carroll). However, unless in January they're riding high in the league - no-one any good would join them.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on August 14, 2013, 09:53:06 am
Liverpool put in a bid for Will.I.Am.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/13/willian-liverpool-anzhi-makhachkala
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: donnyred on August 17, 2013, 06:50:13 am
Doncaster Rovers fans were on cloud nine last night, according to them not only did they beat Blackburn they
outplayed them all over the pitch.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23628246

It seems the media agree.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on August 17, 2013, 10:45:18 am
Blackbum have lost 3 out of 4 games this season. The only team not to beat them? Direby c*nty.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on August 17, 2013, 12:17:09 pm
Leeds have just held a minutes applause for any Leeds fans that have died over the past 12 months. I don't think even Liverpool do that.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on August 17, 2013, 12:36:26 pm

Leeds have just held a minutes applause for any Leeds fans that have died over the past 12 months. I don't think even Liverpool do that.



Presumably those fans that died before they got rid of Bates?.....Pretty sad....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on August 17, 2013, 01:30:51 pm
And presumably Liverpool held a minister's silence for the 100th anniversary of the death of their dignity?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on August 19, 2013, 09:44:18 am
Just thinking about Sharp. Is he just sat in Southampton's reserve team at the moment then? Real shame if so.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on August 19, 2013, 10:42:41 am

Just thinking about Sharp. Is he just sat in Southampton's reserve team at the moment then? Real shame if so.


He was on the verge of a move to Sheffield Weds last week but it broke down due to his wage demands.

To be honest, unless he is asking for stupid wages, there has to be a reason why we haven't gone in for him and I wonder if just as the only thing that made sense in re-signing Tudgay for a season was that he is a good influence in the changing room and on the training pitch, perhaps Sharp wasn't? He always came across as a pretty intense guy. Perhaps that translates to 'does not fit in well' behind the scenes. It has always seemed odd how he has a very decent scoring record and yet seems to fall out of managers plans rather easily.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on August 19, 2013, 10:45:16 am
Southampton. If you had told me when they were relegated to League one in administration in 2009 that 4 and a bit years later they would be signing a 15 million quid striker I would have had you sectioned.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on August 19, 2013, 02:53:34 pm

Southampton. If you had told me when they were relegated to League one in administration in 2009 that 4 and a bit years later they would be signing a 15 million quid striker I would have had you sectioned.


Still very much has the potential to end in tears. Bet a few down the coast at Pompey are looking on with as much interest as envy.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on August 19, 2013, 03:04:26 pm
The problem with shelling out what they are doing (£12m and £15m) is that you are turning a moderate (and understandable) gamble into a really high-stakes situation, if it doesn't work out. Clubs like Soton cannot absorb a huge loss on deals like these, if they turn out to be poor buys for whatever reason. It doesn't take much fall in value for the £27m combined fees to drop by £10m, which is a huge impact if they are relegated.

I would scoff and say they are heading for a fall and in a way I hope they do, but I fear that IF we were to get promoted, this could well be the model we will be following as well....

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 19, 2013, 03:07:32 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/7ab75Kp.png)

Apparently the Ajaccio keeper was as good as the stats suggest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S2TCPEuz_M
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JellyHead on August 19, 2013, 03:19:19 pm
39 shots, 22 off target.  Have PSG signed Gerrard?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: donnyred on August 19, 2013, 03:25:42 pm
Billy Sharp is on 25k a week if rumours are true, also Saints want at least 20k from a loan deal. Nobody will pay him what he wants and what Saints want for a transfer.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on August 19, 2013, 04:25:39 pm

The problem with shelling out what they are doing (£12m and £15m) is that you are turning a moderate (and understandable) gamble into a really high-stakes situation, if it doesn't work out. Clubs like Soton cannot absorb a huge loss on deals like these, if they turn out to be poor buys for whatever reason. It doesn't take much fall in value for the £27m combined fees to drop by £10m, which is a huge impact if they are relegated.

I would scoff and say they are heading for a fall and in a way I hope they do, but I fear that IF we were to get promoted, this could well be the model we will be following as well....




Except that Saints are owned by a very rich family (after the death of the previous owner) - The Liebherr family. I understand that they have underwritten the expenditure - I think it is a completely different situation to before.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on August 22, 2013, 09:47:43 am
Seems to be a lot of speculation around that Liverpool are about to pay somewhere between £6m and £10m for Will Hughes. If true, and assuming d*rby's owners don't just bank the money, it's a big test for Nigel as the first time he'll have proper money to spend. In the short term, they should be much better off with £6m worth of players than Hughes, good as he may turn out to be in the long run...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on August 22, 2013, 10:19:41 am

Seems to be a lot of speculation around that Liverpool are about to pay somewhere between £6m and £10m for Will Hughes. If true, and assuming poohole's owners don't just bank the money, it's a big test for Nigel as the first time he'll have proper money to spend. In the short term, they should be much better off with £6m worth of players than Hughes, good as he may turn out to be in the long run...


He's a very good player and would be a real miss for them. A number of their lot are less than convinced Our Nige would be given much of the cash to spend.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on August 22, 2013, 10:58:19 am
From the outside looking in, you get the feeling they'd give him a million or two and bank the rest.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on August 22, 2013, 11:47:59 am

From the outside looking in, you get the feeling they'd give him a million or two and bank the rest.


i sure hope they don't use that money to try and sign another forest favourite that we're desperate not to lose. dexter blackstock, for instance.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on August 22, 2013, 11:54:58 am
There are so many we have to keep safe and not alert them to - Miller, Greening, d*rbyshire, Collins it's worrying times
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on August 22, 2013, 12:01:45 pm

There are so many we have to keep safe and not alert them to - Miller, Greening, d*rbyshire, Collins it's worrying times


I don't know what I'd do if they decided to fill their midfield gap with Gillett or Moussi.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 22, 2013, 03:59:56 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2400021/Nicolas-Anelka-walks-West-Brom.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on August 22, 2013, 05:21:57 pm
I had no idea he'd even gone there....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on August 27, 2013, 09:32:26 pm
Notts 2-2 at the scouse at the moment, almost full time.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 27, 2013, 09:43:52 pm
OIFBC and the bindippers have gone to extra time.

Reading lose 6-0 at Peterborough. Sunderland score three times in the last four minutes to avoid a home defeat to Franchise FC.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on August 27, 2013, 09:48:11 pm

OIFBC and the bindippers have gone to extra time.


the only way there can be a 'winner' there is if oibc scrape it and finally shut the f*ck up about charlie palmer.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 27, 2013, 10:12:29 pm
Liverpool are down to ten and 4-2 up.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 27, 2013, 10:19:02 pm
Apparently a Yeovil player did a Michael Branch to equalise against Birmingham in the 90th minute, so at the beginning of extra time they let Birmingham score a goal unopposed in order to give them the lead back. Now 3-3.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 27, 2013, 10:45:36 pm
Dougie Freedman might start to fear for his job soon.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on August 27, 2013, 10:59:50 pm

Dougie Freedman might start to fear for his job soon.


You can cheer him up with a similar comment to that you gave Pratley. I think Bolton is looking nicely set for an implosion this year. Excuse me if I don’t cry about it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 28, 2013, 02:16:33 am

You can cheer him up with a similar comment to that you gave Pratley.


I did what now?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on August 28, 2013, 10:09:30 am
I see that Patrick Bamford scored again for Franchise last night.  Livin' the dream after his transfer... in Division 3 for a club everyone despises (mind you, that last bit will prepare him nicely if he ever does make the first team at Chelsea).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on August 28, 2013, 01:17:41 pm

Apparently a Yeovil player did a Michael Branch to equalise against Birmingham in the 90th minute, so at the beginning of extra time they let Birmingham score a goal unopposed in order to give them the lead back. Now 3-3.


seems to be a bit of a fuss about this. i thought we'd now agreed that only the ref gets to stop play for an injury.. which means that if you kick the ball out then it belongs to the other team and they can do whatever the f*ck they want with it. it might be 'ungentlemanly'.. but so is pretending to be badly injured in order to waste time or disrupt play. as such, leave gentlemanlyness out of the whole thing and play to the whistle and to the rules.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on August 28, 2013, 02:10:59 pm

seems to be a bit of a fuss about this. i thought we'd now agreed that only the ref gets to stop play for an injury.. which means that if you kick the ball out then it belongs to the other team and they can do whatever the f*ck they want with it. it might be 'ungentlemanly'.. but so is pretending to be badly injured in order to waste time or disrupt play. as such, leave gentlemanlyness out of the whole thing and play to the whistle and to the rules.


I think the fuss was that after scoring, which leveled the game and sent it to extra time, Yeovil waited until they were 3-2 up to then let Birmingham score to level at 3-3 (Brum then won on pens). I heard Gary Johnson being interviewed and he indicated that he needed to think it through but couldn't make a decision straight away due to all the commotion - hence the delay in giving them a goal back which makes it look worse (as they only did this once scoring again themselves).

My view is also that the goal should have stood, and I wouldn't have let them have a goal back. It may seem the honourable thing to do, but thats only if you view the original goal as being non-sporting, which I don't think it was. I think Yeovil have done themselves out of a fair bit of money with the decision.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on August 28, 2013, 02:29:56 pm

seems to be a bit of a fuss about this. i thought we'd now agreed that only the ref gets to stop play for an injury.. which means that if you kick the ball out then it belongs to the other team and they can do whatever the f*ck they want with it. it might be 'ungentlemanly'.. but so is pretending to be badly injured in order to waste time or disrupt play. as such, leave gentlemanlyness out of the whole thing and play to the whistle and to the rules.


Exactly.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on August 28, 2013, 02:36:22 pm
Went to WBA last night to watch Newport play them in the cup, and it was quite possibly the best away atmosphere I've ever experienced at a football match. Just shy of 2000 Newport fans, singing non-stop for 90 minutes, even when 3-0 down. Tremendous stuff (appreciate that their support would not be quite so unconditional when playing a team we would be expected to beat).

But the real reason for posting is to talk about West Brom. I've been there before with Forest and forgot how much I like The Hawthornes. Similar sized to the CG (perhaps ever so slightly smaller, capacity wise) but very compact, clean, easy to get to and smart. Decent views everywhere and the staff there appear fairly reasonable. Fans also seem a cut above many too, and talking to one walking to the ground I had the impression this was due to their smallish catchment area and being sandwiched between other clubs like Wolves, Villa, Birmingham so having a more grounded view of the world.

Edit : Just changed this as I was singing the praises of their academy, and just googled it and found out its an 'academy' as in a 'secondary school' and not as in a 'football academy'. Impressive nonetheless
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 28, 2013, 03:05:35 pm
Apparently Gareth Bale has gone AWOL, was due in training this morning but hasn't made an appearance.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on August 28, 2013, 03:48:11 pm

Apparently Gareth Bale has gone AWOL, was due in training this morning but hasn't made an appearance.


That's hardly going awol, he's just pulling a sickie.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on August 29, 2013, 10:30:19 am

That's hardly going awol, he's just pulling a sickie.


It can't be long before someone sends him a nasty letter.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on August 30, 2013, 12:05:29 pm
Stay classy, Liverpool (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/30/liverpool-twitter-munich-air-disaster)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on August 30, 2013, 10:22:12 pm
The Super Cup is entertaining.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on August 31, 2013, 11:38:32 am

The Super Cup is entertaining.


I switched over with a minute to go thinking it was all over. I also turned of Bindippers v Notts at 2-0. Thanks goodness it is not my turn on the betting syndicate this week.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on September 01, 2013, 02:04:25 pm
Apparently there is some hoo haa at the bin dippers as Hodgson hasn't been given a seat in the directors box.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on September 01, 2013, 02:09:16 pm

Apparently there is some hoo haa at the bin dippers as Hodgson hasn't been given a seat in the directors box.


I'm sure you'll find that it's Hodgson's fault.  Minutes silence for the unfairly wronged, always classy, Liverpool Football Club, please.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on September 15, 2013, 04:48:48 pm
Why does Ravel Morrison have "Ravel" on the back of his shirt and not "Morrison"?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on September 15, 2013, 04:53:53 pm
Because he's a cock?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on September 15, 2013, 04:54:21 pm

Why does Ravel Morrison have "Ravel" on the back of his shirt and not "Morrison"?


He's either comparing Allardyce-ball to the Bolero, or he's a colossal bellend. I'll let you decide.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on September 15, 2013, 04:55:16 pm

Because he's a cock.


FTFY.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on September 15, 2013, 05:27:56 pm
Wow just wow
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/player-by-player-breakdown-of-what-pompey-owe-1-5468027
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on September 15, 2013, 05:32:08 pm
I thought Halford wrote off the money they owed him when he left.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on September 15, 2013, 07:53:04 pm
I make that just over £7m i total to players no longer in their employ. Staggering. Tits up again, about to go... rearrange as you will.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on September 15, 2013, 08:22:57 pm
Those players who have found employment elsewhere ought to be thinking about whether they really should be taking money from Portsmouth. I hope you're right about Halford.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on September 15, 2013, 08:55:43 pm

Those players who have found employment elsewhere ought to be thinking about whether they really should be taking money from Portsmouth. I hope you're right about Halford.


Why should they?  Most of them are young men, playing outside of the top tiers of football, most of them earning probably less than you do, most of whom have families to support (and not necessarily dual income ones). They will have to retire (if they're lucky) when they hit 35 and then be thrust into a world of uncertainty.  They've worked for an employer in good faith and not got a lot of money that they expected they would fairly get, which some of them may have already spent (on mortgages etc).  It's quite right that they are paid and that they expect to be paid by new owners who are aware of these liabilities.  This is Portsmouth Football club, not some humanitarian charity.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on September 15, 2013, 09:30:04 pm
I thought I heard a voice but it was probably only a troll with a mental illness so it was kinder to pretend no one was there.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on September 15, 2013, 09:31:31 pm
Shady was right. Pete Perky out!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on September 16, 2013, 07:49:02 am
Nice side-step, but I'll take that as a concession. You wouldn't write off £100k your employers owed you.  It's foolish to expect someone else to.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on September 16, 2013, 10:56:49 am
Got to say I agree with Perky, it's a shame and would be lovely to see them being so honourable but why should they?  Taking Halford as an example, when he signed for them there may have been other offers available and he could've stayed where he was.  I doubt he joined Portsmouth for the great fishing spots, sea air and easy access to the Isle of Wight.  It's his job. 

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on September 16, 2013, 11:48:36 am
I do remember Halford, when joining us, making some big deal about how the transfer will help Portsmouth out financially, and he would do everything he could to stop them going to the wall, or something similar to that. So there may be some mileage in him not calling in their debt to him.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on September 16, 2013, 12:05:14 pm

Nice side-step, but I'll take that as a concession. You wouldn't write off £100k your employers owed you.  It's foolish to expect someone else to.


i might if i already had £10m in the bank, and knew that demanding my £100k would hurt said former employer, and i gave enough of a sh!t about that former employer (or supporteres thereof) to take a little bit of a hit myself.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on September 16, 2013, 12:09:42 pm

I do remember Halford, when joining us, making some big deal about how the transfer will help Portsmouth out financially, and he would do everything he could to stop them going to the wall, or something similar to that. So there may be some mileage in him not calling in their debt to him.




My recollection is that he could have terminated his contract (as they weren't paying him at the time) but he chose to stay contracted so that they got a fee from us (which would have reduced the amount we paid him).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on September 16, 2013, 12:15:45 pm
Re Portsmouth.

On a previous incarnation of this board years ago I recall an unfavorable comparison made between Forest and Portsmouth. They had designs for a new stadium with shops, restaurants etc. The whole shebang was designed with an overall structure that looked like a large boat. Very fancy. Very ambitious. Wonder what happened to those plans...?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on September 16, 2013, 12:20:41 pm

Re Portsmouth.

On a previous incarnation of this board years ago I recall an unfavorable comparison made between Forest and Portsmouth. They had designs for a new stadium with shops, restaurants etc. The whole shebang was designed with an overall structure that looked like a large boat. Very fancy. Very ambitious. Wonder what happened to those plans...?


They were torpedoed.












Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on September 16, 2013, 11:40:53 pm
Apparently d*rby have reduced the number of tickets they're giving to Leeds compared to last year.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on September 17, 2013, 02:07:13 pm
Oo-err, Leeds resort to spine-chilling waving tactic:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24125800
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on September 17, 2013, 02:23:20 pm
Hilarious.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on September 17, 2013, 02:39:17 pm
That's just weird.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on September 17, 2013, 02:40:26 pm
I hope they bring back sock tags with numbers on. Those are proper scary.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on September 17, 2013, 03:13:50 pm
To be fair, it's probably scareir than that Blair Witch thing.

(Not Cherie. She is f*cking scary.)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on September 18, 2013, 07:54:29 pm
Nazi Leeds?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on September 18, 2013, 08:43:09 pm

Nazi Leeds?


Shame on you - forgetting to add in 'dirty'.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on September 18, 2013, 08:55:49 pm
I was going too, but it seemed even clumsier than Norman Hunter after 16 pints.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on September 22, 2013, 06:54:43 pm
Manure has always been full of arseholes so it was fun to see Citeh rip them a new one today.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on September 22, 2013, 07:05:59 pm
My enjoyment of prem games revolves around who I have in my fantasy team. However, happily I have Navas and Aguero. Boom. Have that, Man Ure.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on September 22, 2013, 07:49:28 pm
I hate this new expression where pundits describe teams as being "in a good moment". I can forgive it when it comes from someone who doesn't speak English as his mother tongue, but it seems to be seeping into this country's footballese. I've heard both Brendan Rodgers and Gary Neville use it this weekend alone.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on September 22, 2013, 09:33:03 pm
Rumours that Sunderland have sacked Di Canio.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on September 22, 2013, 09:34:24 pm
It's on SSN if you pop that channel on.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on September 22, 2013, 09:37:02 pm
Who saw that coming?

Oh yes, everyone.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on September 23, 2013, 09:42:56 am
Hasn't Di Canio just recruited a small country's population worth of players over the summer?

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on September 23, 2013, 10:09:41 am
I would say Vatican City but that would be less funny now Nazi Pope has moved on.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on September 23, 2013, 10:20:51 am

Hasn't Di Canio just recruited a small country's population worth of players over the summer?


Well their DOF did, and there was some suggestion that Di Canio wasn't happy with all purchases.

What Di Canio needs is a club where the DOF or General Manager is also his cousin, and he has a pretty much free reign.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on September 24, 2013, 10:27:20 am
Just for Ned:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/di-canio-regains-control-of-sunderland-in-military-coup-2013092479731

That might well be a parody of our club in about 12 months time.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on September 24, 2013, 10:28:49 am
Randomly going to Fulham v. Everton tonight as a mate is an Everton fan and has nobody to go with.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on September 24, 2013, 01:12:25 pm

Randomly going to Fulham v. Everton tonight as a mate is an Everton fan and has nobody to go with.


I think hes spun you a line there. Now if he had been a Wigan fan it would have been believable.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on September 24, 2013, 10:54:33 pm
This can be filed under 'error of judgement'...

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24223028
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on September 24, 2013, 11:06:26 pm

This can be filed under 'error of judgement'...

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24223028


Foul.  tw@t.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on September 28, 2013, 03:19:01 pm
Just turned on the Man U v West Brom game. On the little widget in the top left that shows the scores, West Brom's name has been abbreviated as per usual to WBA, but Man U's is MUN. Is this the result of a North American producer naive to the history of English football, or is it the same on the English broadcast?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on September 29, 2013, 01:11:25 am
Sheffield United, bottom of League 1. Its grim up north.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on September 29, 2013, 12:56:08 pm

Sheffield United, bottom of League 1. Its grim up north.


I'm stealing some of that.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on September 29, 2013, 02:08:28 pm
Blimey.  Just checked Scottish League 2 on spec, and the good old Shire are top of the league, 4 points clear after 7 matches!  They're usually propping the table up from day one.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on September 29, 2013, 11:11:46 pm
Just seen Ruiz's goal for Fulham on MOTD2. Absolutely delicious.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on September 30, 2013, 09:25:07 pm
Lukaku showing why Chelsea are flipping loons.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on October 03, 2013, 03:36:03 pm
Metgod-esque.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh-2eGezFeI
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on October 03, 2013, 07:45:34 pm

Metgod-esque.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh-2eGezFeI


Fine strike. Probably as impressive, however, is the quality of St Neots Town's in-house TV station.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on October 04, 2013, 12:55:42 pm
Gary Madine banged up for 18 months for chinning a fan.  Not what the Wendies need at this point.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on October 04, 2013, 05:18:04 pm
Two different fans wasn't it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on October 04, 2013, 05:27:53 pm

Gary Madine banged up for 18 months for chinning a fan.  Not what the Wendies need at this point.


He's only played one league game this season, although I wouldn't remind him of that.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on October 05, 2013, 12:10:05 am

He's only played one league game this season, although I wouldn't remind him of that.


Not played since his conviction.
Also not been paid - defence barrister said today he would struggle to pay the £1,500 comp and £4,200 costs he was ordered to pay and he was struggling to pay his mortgage. Almost feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on October 05, 2013, 02:08:10 am

Not played since his conviction.
Also not been paid - defence barrister said today he would struggle to pay the £1,500 comp and £4,200 costs he was ordered to pay and he was struggling to pay his mortgage. Almost feel sorry for him.


Quote
Sheffield Wednesday striker Gary Madine, 23, who has a previous conviction for knocking a man out in a Carlisle pub, punched Wednesday fan Daniel Beresford in the Paris Bar in Sheffield city centre in February last year, breaking his nose.

Four weeks later, he punched bricklayer and Sheffield United fan Reece Hall in the city's Viper Room club, shattering his cheekbone.


f*ck him.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on October 05, 2013, 05:44:27 am
Quite. Not sure why yobbo who plays football for a living is any more deserving of sympathy than yobbo who digs holes for a living.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on October 05, 2013, 10:42:20 am
Digging holes is a noble proffession.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on October 05, 2013, 10:50:51 am

feck him.


Apparently the United fan got a smack in the face simply for answering "United" when asked who he supported. Nice.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on October 05, 2013, 11:41:13 am

Digging holes is a noble proffession.


Unlike spelling.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on October 05, 2013, 05:39:43 pm

Apparently the United fan got a smack in the face simply for answering "United" when asked who he supported. Nice.


Madine was ordered to pay £1,500 compensation to the Wendies fan, but none to the Blunt.
The Blunt's fan's dad rang us the morning after the assault (while son still receiving medical treatment) to ask us if we were interested in the story. We said yes, to which he asked how much we'd pay for it. When we said nothing he stropped off to ring the Sun. I don't think they paid him either.

The Blunts fan also changed his story in court to say he wasn't sure it was Madine who hit him as he didn't see him - he was pretty adamant it was Madine straight after it happened and in police interview...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on October 07, 2013, 11:05:01 am

Digging holes is a noble proffession.


If only you knew when to stop...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on October 07, 2013, 05:12:49 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/05/sweden-penalty-lebers-disease
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on October 07, 2013, 08:27:48 pm
Interesting choice: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24438051
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on October 08, 2013, 07:25:03 pm
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11728/8963734/football-association-hands-blackpool-manager-paul-ince-five-match-ban
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on October 09, 2013, 03:43:10 pm
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24454963

Now get on with going bust and f*cking off to the League of Wales where you belong, and take that other sh!thouse Welsh team with you.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on October 09, 2013, 03:44:26 pm
+30
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on October 09, 2013, 04:59:32 pm
Would Mr Mackay please report to The City Ground where a slightly less c*nty manager would be welcome?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on October 09, 2013, 05:11:44 pm
The thought had crossed my mind. But his leaving Cardiff and Billies falling out with Fazzer probably won't coincide.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on October 10, 2013, 05:25:11 pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24454963

Now get on with going bust and f*cking off to the League of Wales where you belong, and take that other sh!thouse Welsh team with you.


Bonkers, but not complaining.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on October 10, 2013, 07:52:26 pm
Could go in former forest player watch, but

Nigel and/or Pulis (there's a fcukin dream team) being heavily linked with the blunts job at the moment.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on October 10, 2013, 11:16:53 pm

Could go in former forest player watch, but

Nigel and/or Pulis (there's a fcukin dream team) being heavily linked with the blunts job at the moment.


Pulis is apparently confident the Fulham or Palace jobs will soon be available and within his grasp. He's far too arrogant to go anywhere near the Third Division now. Nigel might be more realistic, given the geography. And if the Blades are looking for a few seasons of midtable action, he's their man.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on October 11, 2013, 10:11:59 am

Would Mr Mackay please report to The City Ground where a slightly less caaaanty manager who has got a team promoted automatically would be welcome?

Thanks.


FTFY
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on October 11, 2013, 10:23:15 am
I think anyone who saw Mackay spend a game kicking Eugen Bopp while bantering with the referee will be under no illusion as to his essential c*ntiness.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on October 11, 2013, 11:56:25 am

Pulis is apparently confident the Fulham or Palace jobs will soon be available and within his grasp. He's far too arrogant to go anywhere near the Third Division now. Nigel might be more realistic, given the geography. And if the Blades are looking for a few seasons of midtable action, he's their man.


I think thats a tad unfair on Tony Pulis. If I had taken an unfashionable, small club to the premier league and kept them there would it really be 'arrogance' for me to hope for another premier league job at a similar sized club?

Nigel is a different situation, and I would expect a drop down one division to manage an underachieving side would be quite a tempter.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on October 11, 2013, 12:12:18 pm
Chris Kiwomya must be under a bit of pressure.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on October 11, 2013, 01:26:55 pm

I think anyone who saw Mackay spend a game kicking Eugen Bopp while bantering with the referee will be under no illusion as to his essential c*ntiness.


I had completely forgotten about that, but Eugen's biggest problem was Rob@stard Lee.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on October 11, 2013, 04:04:32 pm
Lee can take the credit for ending Bopp's career aspirations but Mackay was fouling him all match. It was the first time that I saw his head go down because he was just a kid, getting horribly fouled and got no protection from the referee. In the same circumstances, Roy Keane would probably have kicked him back. I guess that's all part of making it as a professional. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on October 11, 2013, 05:30:01 pm
Do you think he's implying it was us?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24494468
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on October 11, 2013, 05:31:23 pm
Oh, United have sacked their manager by the way. Sheffield that is, not Manc.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on October 11, 2013, 05:49:15 pm

Do you think he's implying it was us?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24494468


f*ck knows. What's the big deal with a loan?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on October 11, 2013, 06:03:33 pm

f*ck knows. What's the big deal with a loan?


Seemed a bit fishy to me, to be honest. Probably hoping he unsettles the 'amazing' Jamaal. I wasn't even aware until this story was published that they were in for in, and like you say - who cares about a loan?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on October 12, 2013, 11:46:15 am

Lee can take the credit for ending Bopp's career aspirations but Mackay was fouling him all match. It was the first time that I saw his head go down because he was just a kid, getting horribly fouled and got no protection from the referee. In the same circumstances, Roy Keane would probably have kicked him back. I guess that's all part of making it as a professional.


Nigel on the other hand used to just keep getting up and getting on with it. Although he was kicked throughout his career I only ever saw him take "revenge" on anyone when he felt one of his teammates had been kicked.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on October 13, 2013, 06:54:04 pm
Nigel always looks bloody angry about something though. He may never have reacted but I don't think he's ever forgotten.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on October 18, 2013, 04:13:59 pm
Real Madrid given 600 tickets for away game at Barcelona - have sent 200 back as couldn't sell them
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on October 18, 2013, 04:51:48 pm

Real Madrid given 600 tickets for away game at Barcelona - have sent 200 back as couldn't sell them

Not sure what's more surprising, only 600 or that they can't sell them anyway.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: pantzcat on October 19, 2013, 10:01:48 am
The Spanish don't really do away game travel.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on October 19, 2013, 11:49:42 am

The Spanish don't really do away game travel.


If I was a Real Madrid fan, I'm not sure I'd fancy traveling in colours deep into enemy territory....particularly if there aren't many of you around. Seems like a smart one to miss.  I imagine it can be carnage.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on October 19, 2013, 12:24:09 pm
Or just not wear colours?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on October 19, 2013, 01:29:48 pm

Or just not wear colours?


It's a fair point, and I never have.  It rarely stops opposition thugs lying in wait near the away end, and lamping anything that moves, though. Yes Stoke/Port Vale/Birmingham....I'm talking about you.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on October 19, 2013, 03:35:35 pm
This is ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uUcjadx7sU&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on October 19, 2013, 07:31:04 pm
Sunderland have one point from eight games. Eleven more to go please, Gus.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on October 20, 2013, 08:42:27 pm
I'm more worried about palarse and that record, seeing as they spawned it up in the first place.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on October 21, 2013, 06:48:34 am
I see SoD is still building for the future. Damn wish we still had him.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on October 21, 2013, 09:33:45 am

I see SoD is still building for the future. Damn wish we still had him.


Yes, Brizzles might win a game in 2015....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on October 21, 2013, 10:36:14 am
Sunderland players: appreciated.

http://t.co/ZkSo6Y0svA
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on October 22, 2013, 03:10:06 pm
Pick that out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXxtMqTnQ94
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mos on October 22, 2013, 06:56:44 pm
Kasami's last night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOaduNidwBM) was pretty special too.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on October 22, 2013, 07:07:01 pm
Sidwell's wasn't too shabby. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWwYjbuT2ag)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on October 28, 2013, 10:24:44 am
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Banned-paper-helped-save-Port-Vale/story-19996214-detail/story.html

Port Vale having similar 'issues' with Chairman v local paper. The comments section under the story reveals a familiar-sounding split of opinion about the value of coverage in the Sentinel.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on October 29, 2013, 11:20:11 am
I had a dream last night where it was announced we had paid £12m to Burnley for both Sam Vokes and Danny Ings and the rest of the football world were going into meltdown at our ridiculous spending.

Thats all
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on October 29, 2013, 02:12:01 pm
Vokes and Ings for a third of an Andy Carrol sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JellyHead on October 29, 2013, 02:44:50 pm
From the BBC
---
Real Madrid coach Carlo Ancelotti calls FIFA president Sepp Blatter's comments on Cristiano Ronaldo's demeanour on the field disrespectful.

Blatter, 77, described the Portuguese as being "like a commander on the pitch" and joked he spent more money on his hairstyle than Barcelona rival Lionel Messi in an audience with Oxford University students last week.

Ancelotti confirms that Real president Florentino Perez has sent a letter to FIFA asking them to rectify Blatter's comments.

"It seems to me like a lack of respect," Ancelotti said. "I haven't spoken with Cristiano about it. Today he trained very well as he always does."
---

Seriously. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on October 29, 2013, 03:15:36 pm
There has always been a secret rule which requires Premiership teams and their employees to create as much publicity for football, however daft and trivial, as possible. It seems that UEFA has now enacted a similar rule for the champions' league.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on November 02, 2013, 04:27:38 pm
Bloody hell.  Who woke up the Owls?  5-1 vs Reading.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on November 02, 2013, 04:37:29 pm
Conor Wickham scored. A striker who scores goals whodathunkit...?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 03, 2013, 12:05:12 am
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-transfer-news-joe-kinnear-2670971
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on November 03, 2013, 03:12:49 am
I believe I told you about that a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 03, 2013, 07:46:44 am
It's possible I wasn't paying attention.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on November 03, 2013, 03:22:55 pm
He has people to do that for him. Sack 'em jp, the slackers.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 05, 2013, 09:42:43 am
John Barnes in today's Guardian has an interesting take on racist foreign  fans. Their attitude matters less than the unspoken but endemic discrimination which occurs in the UK, he says.

"I'm not interested in what happened to Yaya Touré at CSKA Moscow – as far as I'm concerned their supporters can abuse who they want because, for me, what happened in Russia is the tip of a wider issue and, quite frankly, something of a smokescreen. For instance, how many black coaches are there in this country? Very few, yet all we're focusing on is CSKA Moscow, and the more we push for clubs like them to get banned or have their stadiums shut down the more we don't need to look at what is going on here.

The truth is that those at the top of British football do not care about getting rid of racism, they just don't want to hear it or see it. As soon as someone like Touré or Danny Rose gets abused in Eastern Europe there is shock and outrage from players, clubs and the authorities, yet no one is speaking about the people living in inner cities like Brixton who, because of their appearance and their background, have become completely disenfranchised from society. Why don't they care? Because the powers-that-be have enough wealth to not worry about these people."
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on November 05, 2013, 09:48:26 am
To be fair Brixton is on the up. It's got a great cinema and market that's always full of white people.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: red source on November 05, 2013, 09:53:08 am

To be fair Brixton is on the up. It's got a great cinema and market that's always full of white people.


Racist
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on November 05, 2013, 10:00:33 am
Wow.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Loafé on November 05, 2013, 10:08:51 am
And so a new Talkback meme is born, Jim the white supremacist.

Interesting fact, I was born in Brixton in the 70s. Only white baby on the ward. Always been ahead of the curve.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 05, 2013, 10:13:42 am

And so a new Talkback meme is born, Jim the white supremacist.




Aye.

(But just to be clear, I don't think for a moment that he is a racialist.)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on November 05, 2013, 10:14:31 am
I used to go to Brixton regularly in the mid-late eighties.  It was at the other end of the tube line from Finsbury Park and an easy get. It was hardly a no-go zone for honky folk.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on November 05, 2013, 10:23:42 am

Interesting fact, I was born in Brixton in the 70s. Only white baby on the ward. Always been ahead of the curve.


That's not really very intresting.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on November 05, 2013, 10:25:47 am
(I *was* being sarcastic guys. Or maybe ironic if you like. Whichever, I wasn't serious.)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on November 05, 2013, 10:27:56 am

(I *was* being sarcastic guys. Or maybe ironic if you like. Whichever, I wasn't serious.)


That's what they all say.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on November 05, 2013, 10:43:34 am

That's what they all say.


That's London for you. When they do it it's all clever and smart, and when Donny does his West Indian chap routine he's captain of a slave ship.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on November 05, 2013, 11:31:59 am

John Barnes in today's Guardian has an interesting take on racist foreign  fans. Their attitude matters less than the unspoken but endemic discrimination which occurs in the UK, he says.

"I'm not interested in what happened to Yaya Touré at CSKA Moscow – as far as I'm concerned their supporters can abuse who they want because, for me, what happened in Russia is the tip of a wider issue and, quite frankly, something of a smokescreen. For instance, how many black coaches are there in this country? Very few, yet all we're focusing on is CSKA Moscow, and the more we push for clubs like them to get banned or have their stadiums shut down the more we don't need to look at what is going on here.

The truth is that those at the top of British football do not care about getting rid of racism, they just don't want to hear it or see it. As soon as someone like Touré or Danny Rose gets abused in Eastern Europe there is shock and outrage from players, clubs and the authorities, yet no one is speaking about the people living in inner cities like Brixton who, because of their appearance and their background, have become completely disenfranchised from society. Why don't they care? Because the powers-that-be have enough wealth to not worry about these people."


So Barnes thinks we shouldn't worry about overt racism in the european game because it indicates we are taking our focus off more general social problems at home? He thinks the paucity of black managers is due to some form of institutional racism and not due to the numbers of black players choosing not to take this route? (Incidently, when was the last time you heard of a black player who complained about not being allowed to take his badges or take up a coaching position due to his colour? I can't remember it).

To be honest, the bloke sounds like a bit of a mentalist with a racially-tinged chip on his shoulder
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 05, 2013, 12:24:26 pm

So Barnes thinks we shouldn't worry about overt racism in the european game because it indicates we are taking our focus off more general social problems at home? He thinks the paucity of black managers is due to some form of institutional racism and not due to the numbers of black players choosing not to take this route? (Incidently, when was the last time you heard of a black player who complained about not being allowed to take his badges or take up a coaching position due to his colour? I can't remember it).

To be honest, the bloke sounds like a bit of a mentalist with a racially-tinged chip on his shoulder


Err... there has been a lot of discussion of this issue in the media over the last couple of years. If you think that there aren't a lot of black players who have got their badges but feel they can't get a job, then you might want to look a little deeper into the subject.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/6282?cc=5739
http://www.kickitout.org/513.php
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22194042
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24725469

...were just a few results from a quick google search.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on November 05, 2013, 12:44:26 pm
To be fair that kick it out mob are always banging on about it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 05, 2013, 12:54:54 pm
...which may discredit the argument in some people's eyes.

But why are there so few black managers? I don't know the answer.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on November 05, 2013, 01:43:47 pm
He thinks the paucity of black managers is due to some form of institutional racism and not due to the numbers of black players choosing not to take this route?


Have you at least considered the possibility that black players don't choose to take the route because of racism in the game?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Deano on November 05, 2013, 01:46:33 pm
I moved into a new flat in Brixton on Saturday.  Don't have a lot else to add to the debate, but I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 05, 2013, 01:47:11 pm
How many football managers have you met?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Deano on November 05, 2013, 01:51:45 pm

How many football managers have you met?


None yet.  I did met Nigel Quasie in the queue outside a club in east London a few years ago.  He was behind me in the queue.  I said "you look like Nigel Quasie".  He told me he was Nigel Quasie.

Again, I'll keep you updated.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Loafé on November 05, 2013, 01:52:10 pm
Are you a whitey spook face?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on November 05, 2013, 02:46:12 pm
I think the problem is that not enough black players take the coaching route. Now if that is due to some perceived institutional racism I don't know although with organisations like kick-it-out and the national media telling everyone how hard it is for black people to go the coaching/management route, this probably doesn't help encourage people to do it in the first place!

Those articles posted by JP often imply that black managers are not hired for the long term purely due to race, rather than due to competence.

Barnes himself was given a chance as manager of one of the biggest clubs in the country and royally f*cked it up. Nothing to do with his race.

Some of the other names mentioned have not covered themselves in glory from a competence perspective either. One article implies that racism is what kept the late Keith Alexander from managing higher than League 2. Really? Don't get me wrong - nice guy and all that, but never came across as someone who should be managing in the top leagues. Terry Connor is also mentioned - a manager who failed to win in 13 games during his stint in charge of Wolves.

There are clearly some very good black managers. Hughton has done well wherever he has been, Ince is proving some of the doubters wrong it seems and Powell is doing a great job at Charlton (and I wouldn't be unhappy if he ended up at Forest one day).

I'm sure there are valid reasons for the low numbers of black managers, just as there are for the high number of Scottish managers - I am skeptical that it is down to racism across the board though, although that may be the case in isolated examples.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 05, 2013, 02:52:39 pm
When you say ' the coaching route', what do you mean? There seem to be lots of black former players studying for, and getting, coaching badges. And then not being able to get employed. Or that is the complaint that they are making.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on November 05, 2013, 03:03:28 pm

When you say ' the coaching route', what do you mean? There seem to be lots of black former players studying for, and getting, coaching badges. And then not being able to get employed. Or that is the complaint that they are making.


Is there?

What percentage of black former players who gain coaching badges move into league club management compared to the percentage of non-black former players?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on November 05, 2013, 03:12:26 pm

I'm sure there are valid reasons for the low numbers of black managers, just as there are for the high number of Scottish managers - I am skeptical that it is down to racism across the board though, although that may be the case in isolated examples.


People have a pretty fixed idea of what a manager looks like, how he acts and how he sounds. There's an element of cause and effect - there have been lots of successful Scottish (and, in particular Glaswegian) managers, so they get appointed more easily and, once in place, find it easier to command the respect of their players. Doesn't help if they are no good but if they are any good they will retain the faith of owners, players (and fans) for much longer.

The reverse (probably) is true of black managers. That is undeniably a form of racism (both ways) but, if I was a club owner putting millions of pounds a year into the club I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to appoint a black manager if I suspected he would lose respect from players and fans quicker than his Glaswegian alternative (however confident I was that I could avoid that kind of subconscious racism).

Although that is all a very good reason for introducing a "Rooney Rule" equivalent in the UK.

Although Barnes' argument seems a little muddled as he seems to combine saying that millionaire players' problems with racism aren't significant but they are once they decide they want to become a manager.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 05, 2013, 03:13:37 pm
I don't know Dave. You said that not many were going down the coaching route, so I imagine you have the figures for that.

I pointed out that the argument made by black former players is that they ARE doing coaching qualifications but very few are getting jobs afterwards. But you can disprove that, presumably, with the figures that underpin your assertion of 'not many going down the coaching route'.

Or are you just speculating?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Loafé on November 05, 2013, 04:21:00 pm
He's another racist like that JimShady
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 05, 2013, 04:32:56 pm
Dave could be right. I don' t know what the answer is. I just think you have to do a bit better than mere 'gut instinct based on no experience of the issue'.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on November 05, 2013, 04:38:15 pm
Some black players are absolute c*nts, but as managers seem surprisingly level headed and reasonable.  If Paul Ince was the measure for everything, I'd definitely rather appoint a black manager, than a black player.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on November 05, 2013, 04:57:14 pm

I don't know Dave. You said that not many were going down the coaching route, so I imagine you have the figures for that.


Quote

I pointed out that the argument made by black former players is that they ARE doing coaching qualifications but very few are getting jobs afterwards. But you can disprove that, presumably, with the figures that underpin your assertion of 'not many going down the coaching route'.

Or are you just speculating?


I'm doing the same as you, armed with the same volume of background information. We shouldn't start getting on pedestals about it.

I have not once suggested the argument made by 'black former players' is untrue, as I don't think there is an argument to be had there. It may well be spot on. There does seems to be a number of media reports where people are saying that is the case, but few from actual former players from what I can tell and seemingly no firm numbers, and this is the key point.

I still haven't seen any actual data on percentages of black players taking badges and becoming league managers in comparison with percentage of non-black, which I think may be much more telling and I am surprised isn't available. I am suggesting (note JP - this is just opinion, you know - like we have on a discussion board) that it is likely that there will be a correlation in the data (ie. the % of white managers compared to coaches is equally small). I am happy to be proved wrong on that point - as I said, its just an opinion.

What does bug me is the view that black former players are not managing lots of clubs in the big leagues *purely* because of racism within the boardrooms of football clubs and not only that...but this situation is far more pressing problem that young black players in 2013 having to play in front of crowds aiming direct racist abuse at them.

I know there will be racism in football board rooms, just as there still racism in many walks of life (I mean, just look at Jim). I'm just questioning whether it is as widespread or direct as Barnes has indicated in his article.

As for the 'Rooney Rule', personally speaking I am flat against any form of positive discrimination for positions where aptitude for the job should be paramount, and I extend that to the selection of MPs amongst others.

I am all for increased involvement in football coaching and management by black players. I just think that people like Barnes trotting out a racism-card as the reason for the lack of them is copping out and not really looking to address things.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on November 05, 2013, 05:01:44 pm

Some black players are absolute c*nts, but as managers seem surprisingly level headed and reasonable.  If Paul Ince was the measure for everything, I'd definitely rather appoint a black manager, than a black player.


What? You're not saying that Paul Ince, Manager, is level-headed are you?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on November 05, 2013, 05:13:27 pm
Some quotes found on previous news reports looking the lack of black managers in the game. Once you get through all the usual finger pointing about racism, there is some stuff in there about coaching (as opposed to management)..

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Despite the shortfalls in the recruitment processes of many clubs, Notts County striker Jason Lee says black coaches themselves are partly to blame for their plight.

The former Nottingham Forest forward is in the twilight of his career and beginning to take his coaching badges.

"I don't think enough black players are pushing themselves," he told BBC Sport.

"I think more internationals, some of the better players, should be pushing themselves. I don't think enough of them have done the badges and put the time and effort in.

"I'm frustrated with some of my black colleagues who don't give it a real go. It's easy for me to say at the minute, because I haven't applied for these jobs yet and been given knock-backs.

"But if I start to get rejected in favour of people less qualified than me then I'd start to break it down and wonder why I wasn't getting the job.

"If you can't find any reason, it's easy to say 'well I'm black and he's white'. I think that's just the way of the world and some people just need a reason."

Former Newcastle and England striker Les Ferdinand is currently taking his Uefa B coaching licence and told BBC Sport "you don't see black faces on the courses".

Brendon Batson MBE, one of the first top black footballers and now a consultant to the Football Association on issues of equality and diversity, says a lack of role models is a big problem.

"There haven't been any role models for young black coaches, which has led to a mindset among black players of 'this isn't for us'," he told BBC Sport.


Also found some recent stats, albeit high level

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The PFA says about 18% of players on their coaching courses are black or from other ethnic minorities
There are 192 Uefa Pro Licence owners in England and 14 of those are black coaches
Around 30% of players in the professional game are non-white


The above would indicate that black former players are not electing to move through the coaching route in high enough numbers, which is a key concern. That may be because lack of role models, it may be because they are predicting their careers will be curtailed due to racism, it could be some other factor completely.



Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on November 05, 2013, 05:19:02 pm

What? You're not saying that Paul Ince, Manager, is level-headed are you?


I am saying that I find Paul Ince, manager, a whole lot less irksome than Paul Ince, player. I'm taking baby steps towards trying to be a better person.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on November 05, 2013, 05:27:30 pm
As a manager, it's more difficult for him to rake somebody's achilles and get away with it but this is still pretty grim. (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/blackpools-paul-ince-shouted-ill-2462651)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 10, 2013, 10:29:42 pm
Watching the highlights of the Sun v Man City game, it's extraordinary how much space Sunderland were allowed, and how little the Man City players were pressing the ball.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on November 11, 2013, 10:26:17 am
When I saw that Lescott and Richards were playing, I wondered how seriously they were taking it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on November 13, 2013, 11:42:19 am
FFP, whats that then??

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/european/10443730/Paris-Saint-Germain-sponsorship-deal-eclipses-all-rivals-but-opens-questions-about-Financial-Fair-Play-regulations.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on November 13, 2013, 02:44:33 pm
Ha! I love that it's backdated!!  A backdated sponsorship deal!? How the f*ck does that work then? Brilliant.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on November 13, 2013, 02:49:22 pm
According to Ingipedia, " in 2008 the state allocated some $17bn for tourism development through 2014, most of which is going towards hotels, exhibition space and infrastructure".

In that light, 50 million euros p.a. looks like small (non-alcoholic) beer.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on November 13, 2013, 03:24:28 pm
'Ingo pedia"?

You want to be careful trusting Ingo's online knowledge base.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on November 13, 2013, 04:18:15 pm
€200m per year!!  LOL.  They're just saying to UEFA that they don't have the balls to go and get them.  And they're probably right.  It dwarves all other sponsorship deals in soccer.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on November 13, 2013, 04:24:00 pm
I think they're probably daring UEFA to try and challenge a commercial agreement in court. I don't see how UEFA can possibly make a legitimate argument to know more about what represents a fair market value for a commercial arrangement between two parties than those two parties themselves, nor can I see how UEFA would have any powers to legitimately penalise such an arrangement.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on November 13, 2013, 04:27:05 pm

I think they're probably daring UEFA to try and challenge a commercial agreement in court. I don't see how UEFA can possibly make a legitimate argument to know more about what represents a fair market value for a commercial arrangement between two parties than those two parties themselves, nor can I see how UEFA would have any powers to legitimately penalise such an arrangement.


That's pretty much Jim Prices' point about FFP isn't it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on November 13, 2013, 04:47:42 pm

€200m per year!!  LOL.  They're just saying to UEFA that they don't have the balls to go and get them.  And they're probably right.  It dwarves all other sponsorship deals in soccer.


Apart from Manchester City's £400m ($642.2m) sponsorship deal with Etihad Airways/Abu Dhabi.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on November 13, 2013, 04:48:52 pm
Isn't that over 10 years?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on November 13, 2013, 04:56:54 pm
Yes. It was dismissed at the time as "stretching credulity to the limits". How little they knew.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on November 13, 2013, 05:14:14 pm
So City's deal is worth £350m over 10 years? (so £35m per year, compared to United's £53m per year from Chevrolet)  Who cares?  PSG's is €200m per year over that four year period, €800m is a little bigger.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on November 13, 2013, 05:27:54 pm
Who can say that a sponsor shouldn't be allowed to offer a massive deal? If by making that investment, they think that the club can make a step change in performance and dominate in the competition it enters, the publicity may be worth that to the sponsor.  Is it illegal? No, I don't think so. Is it for the football authorities to cap what they think should be spent on sponsorship? That would be a departure from how football currently operates.

If FIFA/UEFA are serious about this sort of stuff they need to limit what is allowed through the rules for entering their competitions. Anything else is just posturing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on November 13, 2013, 09:01:00 pm
It's PSG so Platini won't have a problem with it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on November 21, 2013, 02:44:17 pm
Many whites down the market?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on November 29, 2013, 08:50:49 pm
Heard Pat Murphy's interview with Romelu Lukaku on Five Live tonight. Came across incredibly well. Intelligent, articulate, interesting and so humble for a young footballer of such obvious talent. Multi-lingual too (he's currently learning Portugese) and speaks better English than Wayne Rooney.

Also went up even further in my estimation when he said that despite it being the norm among modern players, he has no earrings or tattoos, and has absolutely no intention of getting any.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on November 30, 2013, 07:36:14 pm

Many whites down the market?


You clearly haven't heard Platini speak about English football and compared it to his reaction when PSG were bought. Your ignorance rather than mine.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on December 02, 2013, 04:16:27 pm
I didn't know that both Cox and Henderson are products of Reading's Academy.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on December 02, 2013, 07:13:59 pm
Neil Warnock has refused to rule himself out of the Wednesday job. That would be f*cking brilliant to watch.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on December 02, 2013, 09:33:14 pm

Neil Warnock has refused to rule himself out of the Wednesday job. That would be fecking brilliant to watch.


One day a week probably suits Colin at this stage in his life. Is it voluntary work? If it's teaching young people how to kick lumps out of each other in an unsporting manner then he's no doubt in with a shout.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on December 02, 2013, 09:43:23 pm
Warnock said about ten years ago that he would love the Wednesday job so that he could waste all their money and take them down. I'm paraphrasing.  The Wednesday fan's reactions would be interesting.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: donnyred on December 02, 2013, 10:14:05 pm

Warnock said about ten years ago that he would love the Wednesday job so that he could waste all their money and take them down. I'm paraphrasing.  The Wednesday fan's reactions would be interesting.


He recently admitted saying this on talksport, it would be interesting if he did go for the job.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Psychobella on December 03, 2013, 09:28:11 am
Dave Whelan is doing something of a hatchet job on Owen Coyle

"Sometimes you are unlucky enough to get a manager that doesn't get on with me; doesn't get on with the team and doesn't get on with the fans"

I can only assume that Coyle didnt swallow.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on December 03, 2013, 10:48:17 am

Dave Whelan is doing something of a hatchet job on Owen Coyle

"Sometimes you are unlucky enough to get a manager that doesn't get on with me; doesn't get on with the team and doesn't get on with the fans"

I can only assume that Coyle didnt swallow.


Maybe he didn't mention that Whelan broke his leg in a FA Cup Final enough times
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on December 03, 2013, 10:57:20 am
Coyle? Wigan? Meh.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on December 03, 2013, 09:45:46 pm
Blackpool had three players sent off - a second yellow 12 seconds from the end of the 90, a straight red to Ricardo Fuller 1:46 into stoppage time (BBC says for fighting but as far as I'm aware the offence is violent conduct), and then a second yellow 4:45 into stoppage time.

I imagine that Mr Ince will have some choice words for the officials.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on December 03, 2013, 10:01:56 pm
Fuller nutted someone according to SSN bloke.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on December 03, 2013, 11:14:07 pm

Fuller nutted someone according to SSN bloke.

He's allegedly got form for similar behaviour in stoke nightclubs.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on December 04, 2013, 08:40:40 am
This is quite amusing though...

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Potters-hero-Ricardo-Fuller-wages/story-20253433-detail/story.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on December 04, 2013, 10:03:55 am

I imagine that Mr Ince will have some choice words for the officials.


Mr Ince suggested that the ref had lost it.

Those watching the incidents on SKY would suggest that the ref got it spot on.  None of the dismissals was undeserved!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on December 04, 2013, 06:21:52 pm

Fuller nutted someone according to SSN bloke.
yup, ref was about 6 foot away
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on December 07, 2013, 02:02:59 pm
Blackpoo down to 9 with 2 minutes still left. Why the f*ck couldn't they have done this against us?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on December 07, 2013, 02:12:48 pm
And why didn't Steve Maclaren start like this for us?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on December 07, 2013, 02:19:03 pm
Because he went there outside of the transfer window and couldn't buy a load of sh!t?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on December 08, 2013, 08:45:41 pm
I wish we were playing Blackpool on Saturday, half their first team must be suspended.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on December 09, 2013, 08:57:41 am

And why didn't Steve Maclaren start like this for us?


He's inherited quite a different environment there to be fair. I've not noticed their skipper waving strikers through to score against them for example.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on December 09, 2013, 11:44:35 am

He's inherited quite a different environment there to be fair. I've not noticed their skipper waving strikers through to score against them for example.


Exactly. I still maintain that Chambers was responsible for much of our defensive record during his tenure
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on December 09, 2013, 02:31:07 pm

Exactly. I still maintain that Chambers was responsible for much of our defensive record during his tenure


As do I
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dj bobbins on December 09, 2013, 03:37:51 pm
I still have nightmares about his performance v Birmingham, when we lost 3-1 at home (I think it triggered the end of Steve McLaren).

Jack Hobbs is of a different class.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on December 09, 2013, 06:58:04 pm

I still have nightmares about his performance v Birmingham, when we lost 3-1 at home (I think it triggered the end of Steve McLaren).

Jack Hobbs is of a different class.


I lost count of the number of times McLaren cited 'individual errors' for our defeats, when everyone could see Chambers was the primary cause of these 'errors'. This wouldn't have been so bad in itself, if Chambers himself wasn't - as captain - spouting off in the press all the time about how 'the TEAM need to stop silly errors'.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on December 09, 2013, 08:01:55 pm

This wouldn't have been so bad in itself, if Chambers himself wasn't - as captain - spouting off in the press all the time about how 'the TEAM need to stop silly errors'.


Paging Cook, Alistair.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on December 09, 2013, 08:30:31 pm

Paging Cook, Alistair.


In fairness, I think has acknowledged that he is as guilty as anyone and that he has to lead by example. Not sure that Chambers did that.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on December 09, 2013, 08:40:58 pm

Not sure that Chambers did that.


He didn't. He had one good season playing alongside a very capable Championship centre back, and both he and the club got a bit carried away. Always struck me as a bit of a cnut.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on December 10, 2013, 08:11:19 pm
Watching United on the box is more interesting. All of a sudden they look an accident waiting to happen, even at Old Trafford.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on December 10, 2013, 09:10:53 pm
It's interesting stuff. I like Moyes - testing times ahead for him with the squad, fans and, more importantly, the board.

In the meantime I've been enjoying Arsenal's rise back to decency. Some of their stuff has been magical.

I've always been a bit of a Wenger fan and he's taken a truckload of abuse for underachievement. What a difference a building process and a balanced batch of talent can make. I really hope they take the title this year and quite a few more.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on December 10, 2013, 09:17:17 pm

Watching United on the box is more interesting. All of a sudden they look an accident waiting to happen, even at Old Trafford.


But can you explain why ITV think the mid-table Mancscum at home to some Russians is more interesting than title-chasing Man City away to the European Champions?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on December 10, 2013, 09:19:53 pm

Watching United on the box is more interesting. All of a sudden they look an accident waiting to happen, even at Old Trafford.

Some luck finally seems to be rubbing off on them though, I thought Luton had looked by far the better team up until the goal.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on December 10, 2013, 09:23:32 pm

But can you explain why ITV think the mid-table Mancscum at home to some Russians is more interesting than title-chasing Man City away to the European Champions?


I suspect it's more to do with determining who their advertising partners think will draw a bigger audience.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on December 10, 2013, 10:04:25 pm

I suspect it's more to do with determining who their advertising partners think will draw a bigger audience.


I know - still annoys me though.
I read an interview a while back with some senior ITV guy who said redscouse and mancscum matches get double the viewing figures of games they're not involved in. So you can understand the decision. Maybe BT will be better.
Just wish the FA had insisted on some balance when it comes to the FA Cup contract. I think there's only one or two FA Cup games involving either side which ITV haven't shown in the last five years - giving the club's about £100,000 each time.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jeff_K on December 11, 2013, 09:17:31 am

I know - still annoys me though.
I read an interview a while back with some senior ITV guy who said redscouse and mancscum matches get double the viewing figures of games they're not involved in. So you can understand the decision. Maybe BT will be better.
Just wish the FA had insisted on some balance when it comes to the FA Cup contract. I think there's only one or two FA Cup games involving either side which ITV haven't shown in the last five years - giving the club's about £100,000 each time.

It's longer than that for United - every FA Cup tie since 2005 has been live on TV
http://www.artslondonnews.com/2013/02/25/fans-frustrated-by-uniteds-fa-cup-tv-domination/ (http://www.artslondonnews.com/2013/02/25/fans-frustrated-by-uniteds-fa-cup-tv-domination/)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on December 11, 2013, 09:24:09 am
That's f*cking insane.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on December 11, 2013, 10:33:17 am

I like Moyes - testing times ahead for him with the squad, fans and, more importantly, the board.

In the meantime I've been enjoying Arsenal's rise back to decency. Some of their stuff has been magical.


For sure Everton were dealt the best hand this summer.  Martinez will do a better job at Goodison.  The Arsenal-Everton game on Sunday was great to watch, two sides both wanting to get the ball down and pass it.

Purely because most of the pundits have said they cannot do it, it would be great to see Wenger's boys life the trophy at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on December 11, 2013, 10:56:10 am
......Purely because most of the pundits have said they cannot do it, it would be great to see Wenger's boys life the trophy at the end of the season.


I'm feeling pretty smug.  In the summer I predicted Giroud would come good this season, Mertesacker would adjust to the English league, and Arsenal would improve and compete because the rest of the team/squad is sound.  This was prior to Ozil, who has only  made things better.

While the other teams around them decline Arsenals long term value building with a strong playing identity allows for incremental improvements (like a grown up Swansea). They may not win the title, but they're going to be there or there abouts.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on December 11, 2013, 07:38:28 pm

It's longer than that for United - every FA Cup tie since 2005 has been live on TV
http://www.artslondonnews.com/2013/02/25/fans-frustrated-by-uniteds-fa-cup-tv-domination/ (http://www.artslondonnews.com/2013/02/25/fans-frustrated-by-uniteds-fa-cup-tv-domination/)


And again in the third round. Yawn.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on December 12, 2013, 08:40:41 am
There's a nice article about Hartlepools and their manager in the Independent today.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on December 12, 2013, 08:49:57 am
He's made an excellent start and really pleased for him too, one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on December 18, 2013, 09:32:34 am
Interesting (to me but maybe not to your friend) piece about Cortese and Southampton on the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25420261 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25420261)

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on December 18, 2013, 09:40:48 am
Is it interesting? I ask for a friend.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on December 23, 2013, 05:26:55 am
Palace fans. Hard to argue.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1477925_335529399919282_1759608839_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on December 23, 2013, 08:25:08 am
It's Petrojet v El Geish in the Egyptian premier  league group 2 tomorrow.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dj bobbins on December 23, 2013, 12:53:55 pm
Leicester Fosse now 'debt-free'...

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Future-City-secure-owner-wipes-huge-debts/story-20352762-detail/story.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on December 23, 2013, 01:01:34 pm
It certainly must be nice to be a Fosse or d*rby fan and hearing all this good news, coupled with good results - just before xmas
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on December 23, 2013, 03:38:55 pm
Wait till they see the belated Xmas present to Billy from Fawaz. A striker surplus to requirements at another club on a loan till May...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on December 28, 2013, 09:09:26 pm
Can't really work this one out.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/nicolas-anelka-gesture-strikers-two-goals-overshadowed-by-controversial-celebration-after-alleged-antisemitic-gesture-9028298.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on December 29, 2013, 06:00:26 am
Anelka is an utter idiot. Hope that helps clear things up
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on December 29, 2013, 09:38:55 am
Dieudonné is an idiotic, French combination of Abu Hamza and George Galloway. Judge a man by the company he keeps.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on December 29, 2013, 09:41:28 am
That explains quite a lot. Ta.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on December 29, 2013, 09:24:38 pm

Dieudonné is an idiotic, French combination of Abu Hamza and George Galloway. Judge a man by the company he keeps.


I love the first sentence so much that I don't need the second. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on December 29, 2013, 11:56:54 pm
There was a huge helping of tautology on reflection. I should have added an equivalent provocative comedian to give the full flavour, think an anti Semitic Mark Thomas added to the mix.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on December 30, 2013, 08:15:39 pm
Apparently Bamford going to d*rby on loan in new year
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on December 30, 2013, 11:23:01 pm

Apparently Bamford going to d*rby on loan in new year


that would NOT be good
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on January 01, 2014, 11:25:56 pm
LTLF aflame with a story in a Hull paper about Jack Hobbs about to be recalled from loan, that'd not be good.  Excellent defender.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 01, 2014, 11:28:41 pm
RichB has a link to deal with that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on January 01, 2014, 11:44:34 pm
It's taking on the air of a badly drafted pre-nup. A lawyer should have been involved...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on January 02, 2014, 06:50:36 am

RichB has a link to deal with that sort of thing.


Oh such levity, such jest.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 02, 2014, 08:50:31 am
Thanks. I didn't even think about it for very long - I just bashed it out and pressed 'post'.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on January 02, 2014, 08:55:56 am

Thanks. I didn't even think about it for very long - I just bashed it out and pressed 'post'.


Did a servant appear with molten wax and a seal? Not a blubbery type seal of course.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 03, 2014, 01:56:31 pm
Charlton taken over

http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20140103-duchatelet-completes-charlton-takeover-1273149.aspx

by a Belgian who owns three other European clubs.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 03, 2014, 02:14:23 pm

by a Belgian who owns three other European clubs.


Is this an attempt to copy the Watford/Udinese model?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 03, 2014, 02:18:19 pm
Not by me.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 04, 2014, 12:19:51 am
Interesting interview with Gary Bowyer. I didn't realise he was the manager at Blackburn.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/blackburn-rovers/10550196/Blackburn-Rovers-manager-Gary-Bowyer-restores-clubs-historic-roots-ahead-of-FA-Cup-tie-with-Manchester-City.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on January 04, 2014, 03:58:24 am
He was on Talk Sport the other night. Came over equally as well.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on January 04, 2014, 09:44:09 am

Interesting interview with Gary Bowyer. I didn't realise he was the manager at Blackburn.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/blackburn-rovers/10550196/Blackburn-Rovers-manager-Gary-Bowyer-restores-clubs-historic-roots-ahead-of-FA-Cup-tie-with-Manchester-City.html


Really good interview. I know it lacks "ambition" to say it but that's the sort of thing I'd like to see happening at Forest. One day we might be forced into it by the "mistakes of the past and present".
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 04, 2014, 10:06:04 am
It's the kind of interview ("steady progress...step-by-step...club traditions...supportive owners") that Sean O'Driscoll could have given 13 months ago. I give him three weeks.

(Anyway, he's lying in that interview. He says Jordam Rhodes won't be sold this window when any fule noes Billy is about to swoop.)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on January 04, 2014, 01:55:02 pm
The commentator (McManaman I think) is paning the referee in the City v Blackburn game when I agree 100% with the two decisions he'd just been criticised for. Annoying.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 04, 2014, 02:33:40 pm
It's Michael Owen, Jim.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on January 04, 2014, 02:55:38 pm
Ah yes. It is.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 04, 2014, 02:58:22 pm

It's Michael Owen, Jim.


"...but not as we know it."
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 04, 2014, 05:57:20 pm
Why is the Arsenal/Spurs game being played with a pink ball?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 04, 2014, 06:00:05 pm
Apparently all the FA Cup games this season are. And it's apparently 'Mango'. Which doesn't really clear up the whole "why" thing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on January 04, 2014, 06:08:04 pm
Is it worth six when you score with it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 04, 2014, 06:16:49 pm
No - the winner gets a year's supply of Um Bongo.

Which is quite racist.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on January 04, 2014, 06:18:22 pm
Is that a year's supply for the match day squad of 18 or the whole club?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 04, 2014, 06:20:08 pm
The scorer. 365 cartons.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 04, 2014, 06:23:13 pm
A friend of mine once won a year's supply of Chewits, from Zzap! magazine. The competition was sponsored by Chewits as a tie-in with a King King game that was out for the Commodore 64...Chewits having a tv advert involving King Kong at the time, if you recall.

He received a consignment of 365 packets of Chewits. And a "Zzap!" t shirt.


What an amazing memory I have.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on January 04, 2014, 06:29:30 pm
So the standard measure of a year's supply is one a day then?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 04, 2014, 06:31:29 pm
On a similar note, in school we had some assignment in English that for some reason required us to write a formal letter to a company. They weren't to be sent, but one of my classmates did actually send his to the company who made Pacers, complaining that having consumed several packets of their confectionery they had proven to be disappointingly ineffective at making green stripes appear on his white clothing. A few weeks later he received a parcel from them with a load of packs of Pacers, and a green and white striped T-shirt.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on January 05, 2014, 12:18:45 am
I once won a years supply of Pedigree Chum. Might've been useful if I'd had a dog.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on January 05, 2014, 01:24:11 am

To be fair every time you get into a relationship you do seem to end up dog food.  So I would say that was quite apt...






Chicago: Making connections
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on January 05, 2014, 06:41:15 am

Which is quite racist.


Do you have any evidence that it isn't actuay consumed in the Congo, wouldn't just one carton would be enough to make it not racist?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 06, 2014, 02:29:08 am
I watched most of the d*rby/Chelsea game on the treadmill. Now that Clough has gone, if you take away the shirt and Jamie Ward that is a very difficult team to dislike.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on January 06, 2014, 10:22:35 am
As has been said elsewhere, d*rby have now got a talented player on loan that Forest had to sell to pay for the appalling signings made by Agent SMC... As for your point I agree. There are other ways to advance without losing £20m a year.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on January 06, 2014, 10:56:25 am

As has been said elsewhere, d*rby have now got a talented player on loan that Forest had to sell to pay for the appalling signings made by Agent SMC...


Thats a rather simplistic view though. Surely, the reason we were battening down the hatches and having to flog players like Bamford was more to do with our Chairman/Owner deciding he wanted out?

And although I have no evidence whatsoever to support this - I suspect 'his' signings were more the TAP/Keith Burt, although he clearly sanctioned them. Greening was rumoured to be on his way whilst Davies was here previously, and after the Verhoek deal fell through Mark Arthur said Forest had been tracking him for 2 or 3 years before making the bid.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 06, 2014, 11:28:36 am
McClaren is more of a continental "head coach" type than a manager, as such. You get the feeling that at both d*rby and Forest, he's fitted in with the existing club ethos and tried to make it work. Forest's approach from Megson onwards was to (try to) buy our peers' best players - it worked when we were in the third division but after promotion it has just led to overpaying or failing to sign targets.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on January 06, 2014, 04:18:51 pm

Thats a rather simplistic view though. Surely, the reason we were battening down the hatches and having to flog players like Bamford was more to do with our Chairman/Owner deciding he wanted out?

And although I have no evidence whatsoever to support this - I suspect 'his' signings were more the TAP/Keith Burt, although he clearly sanctioned them. Greening was rumoured to be on his way whilst Davies was here previously, and after the Verhoek deal fell through Mark Arthur said Forest had been tracking him for 2 or 3 years before making the bid.


Quite a large coincidence that of his 5 signings 3 used to play for Boro. Bit of a David Platt scenario. Ultimately SMC could have said no to any of the signings.

ND took his ball away due to the reaction of part of the crowd to some poor results and performances. He may have already been looking for a way out, but SMC provided it for him in any case. I acknowledge that he was the poor sap to follow Davies and that didn't help.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 06, 2014, 04:33:41 pm
Mewo get Holloway.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on January 06, 2014, 05:50:37 pm

Quite a large coincidence that of his 5 signings 3 used to play for Boro.


I make it 2 - Greening, who was strongly rumoured to be joining us some time before SMC arrived, and George Boateng, which does sound like his choice (perhaps experienced senior player he already had rapport with)

None of Reid, d*rbyshire or Miller had played for Boro at the time AFAIK

The only players I am aware of him stating HE wanted were ones he didn't get - Lloyd Dyer and Michael Kightly.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 06, 2014, 05:52:13 pm

I make it 2 - Greening, who was strongly rumoured to be joining us some time before SMC arrived, and George Boateng, which does sound like his choice (perhaps experienced senior player he already had rapport with)

None of Reid, d*rbyshire or Miller had played for Boro at the time AFAIK

The only players I am aware of him stating HE wanted were ones he didn't get - Lloyd Dyer and Michael Kightly.


Didn't he offer to pay some of Routledge's wages?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 06, 2014, 07:21:48 pm
Walcott has done his ACL and is out of the World Cup.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 06, 2014, 07:32:34 pm
There's a rumour on tw@tter that a mystery club, possibly Man City or PSG, has bid 400M euros for Messi. That's around 330M pounds, or half a billon dollars.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on January 06, 2014, 07:34:06 pm
Is it us?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 06, 2014, 07:42:16 pm

Is it us?


I hope so. I can't wait to find out what his favourite biscuit is; some kind of crazy Argentinian digestive, I'll wager.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 06, 2014, 07:52:19 pm

Is it us?


If it is, there'll be no better test of the League's willingness to try and enforce FFP.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 06, 2014, 07:58:07 pm

There's a rumour on tw@tter that a mystery club, possibly Man City or PSG, has bid 400M euros for Messi. That's around 330M pounds, or half a billon dollars.


US or Canadian dollars? Or Australian?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 06, 2014, 09:40:28 pm

US or Canadian dollars?


Yes. Pretty much the same value. Dunno about Australian.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 06, 2014, 09:43:16 pm
Australian Dollar is a bit under 2 to the pound, it'll be about 600 million of them.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 06, 2014, 10:19:24 pm
I doubt it would be Barcelona's preferred method of payment though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on January 06, 2014, 10:24:07 pm

There's a rumour on tw@tter that a mystery club, possibly Man City or PSG, has bid 400M euros for Messi. That's around 330M pounds, or half a billon dollars.


Probably worth it, for the best player who has ever lived.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Psychobella on January 06, 2014, 10:42:40 pm

Walcott has done his ACL and is out of the World Cup.

Which is a real shame. Mainly because he'll miss the World Cup and I thought there was a real chance for him top be played up front with little expectation with a tiny chance of something a bit Roy of the Rovers. Walcott and Rooney as a forward pair could be really very effective.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on January 06, 2014, 11:13:18 pm


well I was looking forward to it.  Guess I will be in Brazil for three matches and out which was always a possibility anyway.

At least I can have a holiday and only get mugged a few times.  Good times.  Get well soon Theo.  Always liked that lad because when he was a fast headless chicken he reminded me of me. He improved...I didn't.



Chicago: Out of control.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 07, 2014, 01:00:14 am
Much as I like the little fella, I'm not sure that Theo was going to be the difference between England qualifying for the knockout phases or not.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on January 07, 2014, 03:02:13 am

Much as I like the little fella, I'm not sure that Theo was going to be the difference between England qualifying for the knockout phases or not.


Maturing as a finisher, pace always a threat. I'd rather have had him, than not. Here's hoping Sturridge gets, and stays, fit.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Psychobella on January 07, 2014, 09:14:05 am
^WHS^
And I suspect we often still forget he is only 24, an age when many decent players are only just starting to establish themselves.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on January 07, 2014, 11:26:32 am
(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/318693/article_img.jpg)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: pantzcat on January 07, 2014, 03:02:16 pm

I doubt it would be Barcelona's preferred method of payment though.


I think they would prefer 2640 Andersons

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on January 07, 2014, 06:40:29 pm
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1535747_10202350495859926_2008438929_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on January 07, 2014, 06:43:52 pm
thats excellent. surprised someone hasn't done that before!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on January 07, 2014, 07:31:24 pm
Stealing that.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on January 07, 2014, 08:14:10 pm
I think I may have to as well...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on January 07, 2014, 08:37:54 pm
Sunderland 1 nil up... o dear o dear. 

Goal by : Giggs, R (OG).

Snigger.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 09, 2014, 01:58:20 pm
Can I be the only person to say that I think the Chris Smalling "Jaegerbomber" fancy dress is actually quite funny.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JRs Cigarette on January 09, 2014, 02:38:37 pm

Can I be the only person to say that I think the Chris Smalling "Jaegerbomber" fancy dress is actually quite funny.


No, I'm with you.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on January 09, 2014, 04:04:49 pm
Fancy dress is never funny
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 09, 2014, 09:16:55 pm

Fancy dress is never funny


Plus.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 10, 2014, 08:53:31 pm
Leicester are spanking d*rby. Only 2-0 so far, but Leicester have hit the woodwork at least three times and missed an open goal.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 10, 2014, 09:08:20 pm
d*rby bundle one in from a corner. 50 seconds later, Leicester get a penalty, score, and then score another within five minutes. 4-1.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on January 10, 2014, 09:11:08 pm

d*rby bundle one in from a corner. 50 seconds later, Leicester get a penalty, score, and then score another within five minutes. 4-1.


This is typical of football, kicking my personal aesthetics in the teeth.  d*rby are borderline admirable under McClaren, and they're being handed their arses on a plate by the loathsome Nigel Pearson and his gang of mercenaries.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 10, 2014, 09:13:57 pm
d*rby's goal has actually been given to De Laet as an OG, they're 4-1 down with 0 shots on target.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 10, 2014, 09:17:05 pm
Pop.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 10, 2014, 09:20:21 pm
Assuming they lose this, they'll have won one of their last four league games. Next two games are home to Brighton and away at Blackburn, which aren't walkovers.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on January 11, 2014, 11:40:16 am
I know it didn't determine the overall scoreline, but I see Leicester had yet another penalty. How many have they had now? They must be into double figures.....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on January 11, 2014, 12:05:35 pm

I know it didn't determine the overall scoreline, but I see Leicester had yet another penalty. How many have they had now? They must be into double figures.....


I don't know how influential it's been but that knockheart (?) has very slippy shoes in the penalty area.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 11, 2014, 12:47:53 pm

I don't know how influential it's been but that knockheart (?) has very slippy shoes in the penalty area.


I think that post provides a good excuse to watch this again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59E-kVQ3ZlU
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on January 11, 2014, 12:57:16 pm
Welcome to It's A Knockaert, where Leicester have played their joker - Anthony Knockaert.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on January 11, 2014, 01:15:21 pm

I think that post provides a good excuse to watch this again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59E-kVQ3ZlU


Nah, this is the best one http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uqxA1f5Gfcg
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 11, 2014, 04:11:57 pm
Jason Puncheon missed a penalty today. By quite a bit: http://balls.ie/football/gif-jason-puncheon-hits-worse-penalty-season/?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on January 11, 2014, 05:05:36 pm
Fat Sam lives to fight another day (week).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 11, 2014, 06:56:16 pm

Jason Puncheon missed a penalty today. By quite a bit: http://balls.ie/football/gif-jason-puncheon-hits-worse-penalty-season/?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter


View from the stands: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paf3D0rzM6k
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on January 12, 2014, 11:20:24 am
Leicester have had ELEVEN penalties this season. Nugent has scored eight of them. It massively inflated his position in the goal scoring charts I think.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on January 12, 2014, 11:24:28 am

Fat Sam lives to fight another day (week).

Tosser, cost me £266 beating Cardiff.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 12, 2014, 11:36:44 am

Leicester have had ELEVEN penalties this season. Nugent has scored eight of them. It massively inflated his position in the goal scoring charts I think.


Note ti Jim: goals scored from penalty kicks are goals.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on January 12, 2014, 11:38:37 am
I knew someone would say that. But you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 12, 2014, 11:42:13 am
You mean, "This is interesting: Nugent has scored three goals from open play this season."
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hans on January 12, 2014, 12:01:35 pm

Leicester have had ELEVEN penalties this season. Nugent has scored eight of them. It massively inflated his position in the goal scoring charts I think.


Is that 'been awarded' or 'scored' eleven penalties? Their style of play - quite direct, lots of pace, front four getting in the box etc - means they'll always get a lot more than us with our pedestrian build-up. Palace did the same thing last season.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 12, 2014, 12:49:12 pm

You mean, "This is interesting: Nugent has scored three goals from open play this season."


That is interesting. I thought the football league had a rule whereby David Nugent was not allowed to be credited with any goal from open play, because of him being David Nugent.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on January 12, 2014, 02:03:37 pm

Is that 'been awarded' or 'scored' eleven penalties? Their style of play - quite direct, lots of pace, front four getting in the box etc - means they'll always get a lot more than us with our pedestrian build-up. Palace did the same thing last season.


pedestrian build-up?

Are we watching the same side? You can accuse Forest under Billy Davies as being a lot of things, but pedestrian wouldn't be one of them.

I don't know why they get awarded so many, but it has been a major factor in their recent run - effectively giving them a goal head start in many games
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on January 12, 2014, 03:53:44 pm
Welcome to Newcastle...

https://vine.co/v/hLaFLIbWPgW
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on January 12, 2014, 04:15:39 pm

pedestrian build-up?

Are we watching the same side? You can accuse Forest under Billy Davies as being a lot of things, but pedestrian wouldn't be one of them.

I don't know why they get awarded so many, but it has been a major factor in their recent run - effectively giving them a goal head start in many games


The penalty against d*rby when they were 2-1 up seemed to be very generous on my first and only viewing (East Midlands Today) so far.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on January 12, 2014, 05:09:44 pm

The penalty against poohole when they were 2-1 up seemed to be very generous on my first and only viewing (East Midlands Today) so far.

Nah, stupid and unnecessary tackle by Forsythe, definite penalty.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 12, 2014, 05:12:06 pm
I don't understand the "controversy" about Newcastle's disallowed goal. Looks like a pretty easy decision to me.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 12, 2014, 05:14:37 pm

I don't understand the "controversy" about Newcastle's disallowed goal. Looks like a pretty easy decision to me.


In which direction? According to the current rules, it's a goal as none of the Newcastle players were in Hart's  sight line. The only excuse would be if the ref thought one of them touched it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on January 12, 2014, 05:16:41 pm

I don't understand the "controversy" about Newcastle's disallowed goal. Looks like a pretty easy decision to me.


I think in the main because they've pissed about with the law so much over recent years that there's no consistent understanding of 'interfering' and 'active/inactive'.  If to be interfering, Gouffran needed to be in Hart's line of sight, then he wasn't.  But there's certainly a strong argument that if he's standing on the six yard line then he's interfering, regardless of where the keeper is.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 12, 2014, 05:19:23 pm

Nah, stupid and unnecessary tackle by Forsythe, definite penalty.


I agree. Definite penalty.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 12, 2014, 05:19:49 pm

I think in the main because they've pissed about with the law so much over recent years that there's no consistent understanding of 'interfering' and 'active/inactive'.  If to be interfering, Gouffran needed to be in Hart's line of sight, then he wasn't.  But there's certainly a strong argument that if he's standing on the six yard line then he's interfering, regardless of where the keeper is.


It can be the strongest argument you like, but it's explicitly not the law of the game.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/81/42/36/log2013en_neutral.pdf

Look at picture 7 on page 113 and picture 2 on page 110.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 12, 2014, 05:20:05 pm

In which direction? According to the current rules, it's a goal as none of the Newcastle players were in Hart's  sight line. The only excuse would be if the ref thought one of them touched it.


I agree. Definite goal.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 12, 2014, 05:22:09 pm
The referee in the Stoke v Liverpool game appears to be in the employ of LFC. Denies a blatant penalty for Stoke in the first half, and has just given the softest penalty you'll ever see to Liverpool.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on January 12, 2014, 05:22:45 pm

It can be the strongest argument you like, but it's explicitly not the law of the game.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/81/42/36/log2013en_neutral.pdf

Look at picture 7 on page 113 and picture 2 on page 110.


Completely agree.  I don't think the law helps refs.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 12, 2014, 05:24:03 pm
I don't think the law helps refs.


?? Don't get this. The law is clear. Just apply the law. (Judge Dredd-stylee.)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on January 12, 2014, 05:46:56 pm
'Playing or touching the ball' - if not the same, then what is 'playing the ball'?  Ducking to get out of the way?  I genuinely don't know.  There are too many variables - I'm not sure why they had to mess around with the law.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on January 12, 2014, 06:08:07 pm
'Playing the ball' i.e. kicking it, heading it etc. etc. or even just 'touching the ball' i.e. it brushing past your arse when you're ducking to get out of the way. Yes, 'touching' covers all of that, but it's still clear - if you touch it at all, it's offside. If you don't (see Greg Halford v QPR) it's not.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on January 12, 2014, 06:08:48 pm
A bad day to have Mignolet and Skrtel but not Suarez in your fantasy team. f*cking scousers. Why can't they just win 1-0?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on January 12, 2014, 11:54:18 pm
I'm firmly in the OBE camp on this one. If they aren't interfering with play, what are they doing on the pitch?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 13, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
(http://i.snag.gy/I0gC5.jpg)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on January 13, 2014, 03:48:55 pm
Does that constitute coming out Puncheon?

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on January 13, 2014, 04:30:31 pm
Can't believe he'd betray Warnob like that. Puncheon Judas.


That's the way to get my coat.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 13, 2014, 06:21:02 pm
Toronto FC just signed Michael Bradley and Jermain Defoe. For the MLS, that's a fantastic pair of signings - neither of them would look amiss in a decent Premier League side.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on January 13, 2014, 06:23:05 pm

Toronto FC just signed Michael Bradley and Jermain Defoe. For the MLS, that's a fantastic pair of signings - neither of them would look amiss in a decent Premier League side.


I don't understand why Defoe isn't more highly prized than he is.  Quick, direct, and a genuine quality finisher. Except that he's a bit of a knob, of course.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on January 13, 2014, 06:27:19 pm

Toronto FC just signed Michael Bradley and Jermain Defoe. For the MLS, that's a fantastic pair of signings - neither of them would look amiss in a decent Premier League side.


Indeed. If they can both be arsed, then Toronto will surely run away with the league. You can imagine Defoe getting 30+ goals.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 13, 2014, 06:27:37 pm

I don't understand why Defoe isn't more highly prized than he is.  Quick, direct, and a genuine quality finisher. Except that he's a bit of a knob, of course.


He can't play on his own up front though and that's the formation most teams (apart from Spurs, weirdly) favour these days.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on January 13, 2014, 06:29:06 pm

He can't play on his own up front though and that's the formation most teams (apart from Spurs, weirdly) favour these days.


I'd dispute that.  He can split the defenders, and run in behind them, with the best of them. Clearly no use as a knock-down target man, though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 13, 2014, 06:46:29 pm
I'm presuming that the signing of Defoe will mean the end of Super Robbie Earnshaw as a red.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on January 14, 2014, 11:33:38 am

I'm presuming that the signing of Defoe will mean the end of Super Robbie Earnshaw as a red.


CDAJFU
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 14, 2014, 11:40:53 am
Guardian says Toronto move is a bit daft.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jan/11/jermain-defoe-tottenham-toronto-world-cup

Defoe says its a great idea (and no doubt his accountant agrees).

http://m.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/01/13/dead-end-toronto-fcs-jermain-defoe-responds-takedown-column-uk-daily-guardia
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on January 14, 2014, 12:35:18 pm

Guardian says Toronto move is a bit daft.


£19M over 4 years. What a loser.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on January 14, 2014, 12:38:14 pm

£19M over 4 years. What a loser.


By which time he'll be 35. I assume that Canadian football isn't too demanding.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 14, 2014, 03:09:56 pm

By which time he'll be 35. I assume that Canadian football isn't too demanding.


MLS. He gets paid a bucketload of money to live in one of the best cities in North America and probably be one of the top players in the league. The Guardian article linked by Simon is a little unfair; when TFC first started the fans were rabid, because Toronto is a melting pot city full of immigrants and they sold out the stadium every week. They may be a little jaded of late, but as soon as the team shows signs of being decent I have no doubt they'll come flooding back.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on January 14, 2014, 03:11:27 pm
Pleased to see Marlonhio join Coops and Nialle Rodney at Hartlepool. God bless them all, every one.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on January 15, 2014, 10:22:03 am
I'm slightly disappointed that Sean hasn't passed his usual comment following last night's victories for Birmingham and Watford.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on January 15, 2014, 10:55:43 am
Apologies - that was rather slack of me - both out at the same time, too. It's a rare and lovely thing...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on January 15, 2014, 01:21:22 pm

Pleased to see Marlonhio join Coops and Nialle Rodney at Hartlepool. God bless them all, every one.


I agree - despite myself I now find that I check Hartlepool(s)'s results third (after ores and Salisbury City); I was and am a big Colin Cooper fan.  After all, it's not like anyone else started a half-decent managerial career at Victoria Park, is it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 15, 2014, 02:19:41 pm

I agree - despite myself I now find that I check Hartlepool(s)'s results third (after ores and Salisbury City); I was and am a big Colin Cooper fan.  After all, it's not like anyone else started a half-decent managerial career at Victoria Park, is it?


Mike Newell? Mick Docherty?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 16, 2014, 08:41:52 am
That Kevin Phillips has signed for Leicester.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on January 16, 2014, 08:57:14 am
That surprises me. Haven't they got loads of strikers? Still, I imagine he was cheap. 6-7 sub appearances and a likely goal or two and he'll have been worth it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on January 16, 2014, 09:00:36 am

That Kevin Phillips has signed for Leicester.


I have a soft spot for Phillips from his time at Sunderland, pity he had to join those scumbags
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on January 16, 2014, 09:05:02 am
That spell at Sunderland when his goals stopped Forest getting promoted?!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on January 16, 2014, 09:50:54 am

That spell at Sunderland when his goals stopped Forest getting promoted?!


Yeah that..........apart from that never happened.

Phillips scored a bucket load when they made the play offs and we were promoted as Champions and then the next season when they were promoted as champions as we were relegated in a farcical season that saw us finish bottom.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on January 16, 2014, 11:40:37 am
Funny how quickly things go wrong at football clubs.  Not that I'm particularly fond of them but if I could pick up another club and plonk them down by the Trent it'd probably have been Southampton: playing nice football, half the first team are home grown from a seemingly fantastic academy, well off.... 

All of a sudden the owner's daughter (I think) is pissing people off, chairman resigns, manager to follow plus a bunch of their highly rated home grown players in all likelihood.  Not great timing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on January 16, 2014, 11:51:49 am
The original owner who brought Cortese in and was right behind his plans for the club died, passing ownership to his daughter. Since there things have been uneasy between her and Cortese, she seems to want out and doesn't feel Cortese has played his role in finding a buyer for her, but they haven't got along particularly well since day one of her taking over. It has come to a head with Cortese walking out and as a result many players will probably now leave.

I read an interesting piece on Cortese when Pochettino was being linked with Spurs which detailed how it is his vision and leadership that has lifted Southampton to their current position and that many at the club are bought into his ideas. The suggestion was that losing the manager wasn't an issue but losing Cortese would be catastrophic for the club.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on January 16, 2014, 01:35:30 pm


I read an interesting piece on Cortese


This? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25420261)
Someone tweet it to Fazzer please.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 16, 2014, 01:48:45 pm
A bent Scottish lawyer whose only experience of football is processing his mate's bags of cash is close enough.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on January 16, 2014, 01:49:19 pm

This? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25420261)
Someone tweet it to Fazzer please.


Done.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on January 16, 2014, 05:08:55 pm
Chabolah about to sign for Middlesborough on-loan until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on January 16, 2014, 05:20:21 pm

Chabolah about to sign for Middlesborough on-loan until the end of the season.


That'll be Leadbitter to us then.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on January 16, 2014, 05:28:11 pm
Everyone's been pretty scathing of Chalobah, and not without reason. But you can imagine that a cultured midfield player might be a bit irritated, after working with Mourinho and Zola, to find that his new gaffer's tactics amount to "run around very quickly until the ball breaks kindly enough (and often enough) for us to score once, then waste as much time as you can and hope the opposition can't do the same".
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on January 16, 2014, 05:34:54 pm

Everyone's been pretty scathing of Chalobah, and not without reason. But you can imagine that a cultured midfield player might be a bit irritated, after working with Mourinho and Zola, to find that his new gaffer's tactics amount to "run around very quickly until the ball breaks kindly enough (and often enough) for us to score once, then waste as much time as you can and hope the opposition can't do the same".


Appreciate it's a small sample but if you watch the youtube clips of the Forest goals of the season do you really think the bit in quotes works even as a simplification/parody of how we play?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on January 16, 2014, 05:42:18 pm

Appreciate it's a small sample but if you watch the youtube clips of the Forest goals of the season do you really think the bit in quotes works even as a simplification/parody of how we play?


As a simplification, perhaps not. As a parody, undoubtedly yes.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 16, 2014, 06:36:12 pm
Apparently this is worth a six hundred quid fine and a three year banning order:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIdzzRhCZS0#t=97

Seems a little harsh.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on January 16, 2014, 06:45:23 pm
Russ in defending Leeds scum shock... ;-)

(It does seem a bit tough)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on January 16, 2014, 06:47:26 pm
Gipton's finest - Love the YouTube comments.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on January 16, 2014, 08:34:04 pm

Russ in defending Leeds scum shock... ;-)

(It does seem a bit tough)


B@llocks. Some fat, drunk, middle-aged cnut arsing around and looking like a complete tw@t. It's isn't particularly funny watching it now and certainly wouldn't have been if you'd gone to the game with your missus or kids and they needed the toilet beforehand. Negotiating a group of p!ssheads chanting, pogo-ing around and chucking beer everywhere would have been interesting.

You do hear some genuinely funny humour on the terraces but that sort of stuff is just scum letting off steam. If he got banned and fined, fcuk him. Probably make following Leeds away more enjoyable for the next three years. Tw@ts like that make me question why I watch football matches.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on January 16, 2014, 08:51:54 pm

B@llocks. Some fat, drunk, middle-aged cnut arsing around and looking like a complete tw@t. It's isn't particularly funny watching it now and certainly wouldn't have been if you'd gone to the game with your missus or kids and they needed the toilet beforehand. Negotiating a group of p!ssheads chanting, pogo-ing around and chucking beer everywhere would have been interesting.

You do hear some genuinely funny humour on the terraces but that sort of stuff is just scum letting off steam. If he got banned and fined, fcuk him. Probably make following Leeds away more enjoyable for the next three years. Tw@ts like that make me question why I watch football matches.


The rugby turned you away for being to pompous?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on January 16, 2014, 08:59:51 pm

The rugby turned you away for being to pompous?


You genuinely find that sketch amusing? Fair enough.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on January 16, 2014, 09:04:14 pm

You genuinely find that sketch amusing? Fair enough.


Which sketch? Genuiney haven't a scooby what you are refering to.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on January 16, 2014, 10:19:12 pm
A fat bloke creating an impromptu slip'n'slide with beer is moderately amusing.

I understand the whole "family atmosphere" argument, but at the same time it's not exactly threatening behaviour and it's certainly not worth the punishment handed out, I think.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JRs Cigarette on January 16, 2014, 10:22:21 pm
I'm pretty sure my kids (10 and 6) would have found that funny if they'd been there.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on January 16, 2014, 10:32:30 pm
Barnsley sign Liam Lawrence. Another escapee from the Greek league.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on January 18, 2014, 04:38:24 pm
Bamford scores for d*rby. Twitter meltdown imminent.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on January 18, 2014, 04:45:25 pm
It is a little annoying.  Not as bothered as I might have been now Paterson is scoring.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on January 18, 2014, 04:50:22 pm
Freedman might be looking over his shoulder fairly soon.  7-1 down at the moment and 4 points off the relegation zone.  I know they're broke but their team today has some pretty decent players in it, Eagles only made the bench.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on January 18, 2014, 04:53:41 pm
Saying that though according to the bbc stats Reading have had 7 shots on target!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on January 18, 2014, 05:00:18 pm
Did we really only draw with Bolton last week?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on January 19, 2014, 08:23:16 am
Ian Edwards on the tw@tter made some reference to bamford's goal celebration at the sheep dip, but wasn't specific. Anyone any idea what he's talking about?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on January 19, 2014, 08:27:40 am
He ran off pointing at the sky.  Suggestion seems to be that it was about Doughty.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on January 19, 2014, 11:39:04 am

He ran off pointing at the sky.  Suggestion seems to be that it was about Doughty.


Ah. I see. Edwards was making out it was going to be a 'big thing'
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on January 22, 2014, 11:24:56 am
http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2014/jan/fa-statement
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on January 22, 2014, 05:38:06 pm
Sharp on loan at Donny. Hope he keeps them up.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on January 23, 2014, 09:01:14 am
Cluff on the Sheep...

http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/sport/sheffield-united/alan-biggs-pain-of-losing-d*rby-job-still-hurts-clough-1-6389781
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on January 23, 2014, 09:23:14 am

Cluff on the Sheep...

http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/sport/sheffield-united/alan-biggs-pain-of-losing-d*rby-job-still-hurts-clough-1-6389781


I like Nigel and I would have him back at Forest but he's dangerously close to talking about "the Nigels" in that interview!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on January 23, 2014, 11:42:35 am
He would be the opposite of the kind of manager who would 'fit' at Forest under the current ownership
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on January 23, 2014, 02:30:47 pm
But maybe what is required three years hence if the budget is drastically reduced.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on January 23, 2014, 02:48:21 pm

But maybe what is required three years hence if the budget is drastically reduced.


Yes. In the post-Fawaz apocolypse when we have no budget, no players and no hope. Someone like Nigel could probably come in and build a successful team given time. I'm sure there are other managers out there with similar credentials to do that as well though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on January 23, 2014, 02:50:01 pm
Yes, and then when the wage bill is trimmed, and the club stable, we'll sack him! And how we'll laugh! That'll learn ya!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on January 23, 2014, 03:26:26 pm

Yes. In the post-Fawaz apocolypse when we have no budget, no players and no hope.


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IuoJTrVYnGU/UH-Kn6sKOmI/AAAAAAAAH20/DNz4dGpQjcM/s1600/HennyPennySleeve.jpg)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JRs Cigarette on January 23, 2014, 05:08:18 pm
I forget the exact details but didn't something really bad eventually happen to Henny Penny (possibly eaten by a fox?)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on January 23, 2014, 05:31:30 pm

I forget the exact details but didn't something really bad eventually happen to Henny Penny (possibly eaten by a fox?)


Hey! What about a spoiler alert? Sheesh.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on January 23, 2014, 05:37:59 pm

I forget the exact details but didn't something really bad eventually happen to Henny Penny (possibly eaten by a fox?)


Almost. Henny Penny moved to Doncaster and became a postie.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on January 24, 2014, 08:53:07 am
SkySports transfer news from yesterday.  Gay week at Charlton.

"
19:14


Charlton Athletic have signed Standard Liege midfielder Anil Koc on a loan deal until the end of the season. "
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on January 24, 2014, 07:04:52 pm
Pennant released by Stoke...

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Jermaine-Pennant-parts-company/story-20496189-detail/story.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on January 28, 2014, 09:52:39 am
Today's offering from Retro Goals on Tw@tter. A reasonable strike...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGyYCrOuI2E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on January 28, 2014, 11:58:25 am
Crap first touch.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on January 28, 2014, 12:25:38 pm
i liked when he even sent the camerman the wrong way.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on January 29, 2014, 11:33:40 pm
Just been to Chelsea v west ham. Very enjoyable, watching 'John Terry Legend' and his men huff and puff to a 0-0 draw against a side we stuffed 5-0. And I walked there so didn't get a parking ticket.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on January 30, 2014, 04:26:25 pm
This... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjDK6wHwB0I&feature=c4-overview&list=UUyQcJHDN4uYfPa1DHzKVSnw

might be explained by this... http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/leeds-united-cellino-wanted-his-man-in-the-dug-out-1-6405257
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on January 30, 2014, 06:53:08 pm

This... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjDK6wHwB0I&feature=c4-overview&list=UUyQcJHDN4uYfPa1DHzKVSnw

might be explained by this... http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/leeds-united-cellino-wanted-his-man-in-the-dug-out-1-6405257


leaving billiz issues aside.. we do appear to have been blessed with one of the best nutty foreign owners going. i remember chatting to john pelling after the takeover (but before the billiz) and him talking about how the doughty family were determined to ensure that they didn't just flog to the first people to turn up with a chequebook and some promises. compared to what's gone on at some other clubs, we should occasionally take a moment to give due credit to both the former and the current regimes for, at the very least, appearing to have engineered us back to our apparent natural level.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on January 30, 2014, 07:10:03 pm

leaving billiz issues aside.. we do appear to have been blessed with one of the best nutty foreign owners going. i remember chatting to john pelling after the takeover (but before the billiz) and him talking about how the doughty family were determined to ensure that they didn't just flog to the first people to turn up with a chequebook and some promises. compared to what's gone on at some other clubs, we should occasionally take a moment to give due credit to both the former and the current regimes for, at the very least, appearing to have engineered us back to our apparent natural level.


Absolutely. Whatever mistakes Doughy made you can't doubt his love for Forest and his family obviously wanted to honour that. Things could have been a whole lot worse. Despite Cardiff and Hull being in the Premiership I would much rather be us. I feel really sorry for Leeds (not)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on February 02, 2014, 09:28:00 am
Watching the FL Show this morning, Benoit Assou-Ekotto looks a real dozy sod.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 02, 2014, 09:35:42 pm
http://www.isthmian.co.uk/

Look at the league table, and the win/draw/lose figures for Metropolitan Police.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 02, 2014, 10:49:48 pm
I feel a bit sorry for Heart of Midlothian (my Brother in Law's club*). The club's a total basket case, having amassed 5 points after 25 games this season (with 15 points deducted).

They were part of a fantastic league cup semi final game against Inverness today - I happened to watch whilst doing chores. I wouldn't normally bother.

They were 1 down, and then Inverness had a man sent off, Hearts scored 2, Inverness had another man sent off in injury time......clearly this was going to be a real boost for an otherwise catastrophic season for Hearts.


Inverness scored in injury time, after going down to 9 men. They parked the bus in extra time. They won the penalty shoot-out.


It's a massive deal for a football club based in a very remote place. A bit like Exeter getting to the Carling Cup final. But Hearts get another huge kick in the teeth. They would probably have felt better if they'd been knocked out in the 3rd round.








*Although he doesn't bother these days and concentrates on Liverpool. I can sort of understand it, as Dalglish was his big hero when he was a boy in the early 80s. But as a 42 yr old scottish football supporter he's f*cking full of it at the moment, now that the bindippers are doing quite well, which makes it pretty hard to keep quiet about what a horrible club he supports. He hasn't been to Liverpool, ever, as far as I can make out.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 03, 2014, 11:33:39 pm
Kinnear resigns from Newkassel.

To commemorate, this is worth listening to again.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/audio/2008/oct/03/joe.kinnear?CMP=twt_gu
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on February 04, 2014, 09:26:52 am
Nookassul is a seemingly never ending comedy train wreck of a club these days. Pet, man, howay etc...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on February 04, 2014, 11:12:27 am

http://www.isthmian.co.uk/

Look at the league table, and the win/draw/lose figures for Metropolitan Police.


I must be missing something. What is remarkable about that?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: hancocp on February 04, 2014, 11:21:05 am
Could be the

W  D  L
9  9  9

bit ...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on February 04, 2014, 11:40:02 am

Could be the

W  D  L
9  9  9

bit ...


Ahhhh I see
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on February 04, 2014, 11:45:08 am

I must be missing something. What is remarkable about that?


Shame you did not make that post 3 posts later.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on February 04, 2014, 11:57:54 am

Shame you did not make that post 3 posts later.


eh?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on February 04, 2014, 12:00:20 pm
Look at your post count.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on February 04, 2014, 12:19:36 pm
good god, I'm slow on the uptake today.

I'm blaming work
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 04, 2014, 06:15:09 pm
There are strong rumours that Leeds have been or are about be served with a winding up petition.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on February 04, 2014, 06:20:07 pm

There are strong rumours that Leeds have been or are about be served with a winding up petition.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26038937
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on February 04, 2014, 07:05:25 pm

I feel a bit sorry for Heart of Midlothian (my Brother in Law's club*). The club's a total basket case, having amassed 5 points after 25 games this season (with 15 points deducted).

They were part of a fantastic league cup semi final game against Inverness today - I happened to watch whilst doing chores. I wouldn't normally bother.

They were 1 down, and then Inverness had a man sent off, Hearts scored 2, Inverness had another man sent off in injury time......clearly this was going to be a real boost for an otherwise catastrophic season for Hearts.


Inverness scored in injury time, after going down to 9 men. They parked the bus in extra time. They won the penalty shoot-out.


It's a massive deal for a football club based in a very remote place. A bit like Exeter getting to the Carling Cup final. But Hearts get another huge kick in the teeth. They would probably have felt better if they'd been knocked out in the 3rd round.


Thirty odd years ago the Hearts' badge for Panini stickers was as rare as rocking horse sh!t. Fifty odd swaps I needed to get it. I remember in my head it being rather beautiful, but it seems that Hearts have had umpteen different badges over the years; such that I cannot identify it. Their full name has always seemed rather romantic as well. I would hate reality to distort my view of them.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 04, 2014, 07:29:34 pm
Yes I always liked their badge (especially in foil). And their name.

But the reality is.... Well, don't go to Gorgie. It's not pretty.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on February 04, 2014, 08:27:01 pm

There are strong rumours that Leeds have been or are about be served with a winding up petition.


how do i sign it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 04, 2014, 08:27:53 pm

how do i sign it?


You have to lend them at least seven hundred and fifty quid, I think.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 04, 2014, 09:18:26 pm
I just realised that the centre half that d*rby sold to Cardiff in the summer for well over a million quid, John Brayford, is playing for Sheffield United. Apparently he has only made two appearances for Cardiff, both in the Rumbelows Cup. Cracking bit of business by the sheep.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on February 04, 2014, 09:22:20 pm

I just realised that the centre half that poohole sold to Cardiff in the summer for well over a million quid, John Brayford, is playing for Sheffield United. Apparently he has only made two appearances for Cardiff, both in the Rumbelows Cup. Cracking bit of business by the sheep.


He's a decent player, too, although really a right full-back. A very good loan signing for Sheffield United. I guess Cardiff write-off the million quid if they stay up, or have a very capable Championship defender if they don't.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on February 04, 2014, 10:08:04 pm
Why has Brian Laudrip been sacked?

As for Leeds, I don't believe in tempting fate so feel it is just to be regarded as one of those situations in life where may as well all laugh so hard that we sh!t ourselves.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on February 05, 2014, 12:58:14 pm
Rams launch ‘Bring a Friend or Family Member’ offer for the iPro Stadium clash against Queens Park Rangers.
d*rby County have launched a ‘Bring a Friend or Family Member’ offer to Season Ticket Holders for next Monday's home game against Queens Park Rangers.

The special offer is available to 2013/14 Season Ticket Holders ONLY.
Season Ticket Holders can bring an Adult/Senior Citizen/Young Adult friend for just £10 or an Under 18 for £5 as a thank you for their continued support over the course of the season, with the offer limited to two tickets per Season Ticket Holder.
d*rby County’s Chief Operating Officer John Vicars said: “The ‘Bring a Friend or Family Member’ offer proved to be popular with our Season Ticket Holders last season, and we hope it has the same effect for our game against Queens Park Rangers.
“We want to get as many people inside the iPro Stadium and create the best possible atmosphere in front of the Sky Sports TV cameras for what will be a key game in our season.”
He added: “We also feel it is important to continue to thank our Season Ticket Holders for their support with offers like this during the season.”
Upon request, d*rby County's Digonex Ticket Office staff can move season tickets holders from their normal match seat for this game so they can sit with their friend or family member.
Fans should note the ‘Bring A Friend Or Family Member’ offer only applies when buying before the day of the game from the Digonex Ticket Office or by calling 0871 472 1884 (option 1), and NOT online.

Read more at http://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/article/qpr-ticket-offer-launched-230114-1312574.aspx#kpTeDhkptookstjimmysvirginityTuoxCQbsSg5.99

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Rams fans encouraged to play their part in driving the team on against Queens Park Rangers next month.

d*rby County are encouraging fans to ‘Bring a Scarf’ to next Monday’s Sky Bet Championship fixture against Queens Park Rangers at the iPro Stadium.

In what is a key game for Steve McClaren’s side at the top end of the Championship, the Club is calling on supporters to help raise the atmosphere for the clash with Harry Redknapp’s side - and help make home advantage count.
d*rby currently sit fourth in the table and four points behind Rangers, who occupy second spot with just under three months of the season to play.
Tickets for the game are still available; starting from £20 for Adults, £14 for Senior Citizens and £11 for Under 18s.
Sky Sports have selected the match for live coverage and the Rams are determined to ensure they put on a show for the cameras, both on and off the pitch.
Supporters were asked to bring their scarves to the FA Cup Third Round tie with Chelsea earlier this year and the response from the crowd helped generate a tremendous atmosphere.
As a result, d*rby are encouraging supporters to bring their black and white scarves to the QPR game, no matter what era it’s from in the club’s history, and help create a sea of black and white as the players emerge from the tunnel ahead of kick-off.
d*rby County's Chief Operating Officer John Vicars said: “Once again the driver for this initiative has come from the fans via social media sites - and we’re keen to put it in place for the Queens Park Rangers game.
“Our fans know it’s a big game for us to close the gap on one of the sides sitting above us in the table and it’s great to see everyone is determined to create a positive atmosphere for the players.
"The iPro Stadium was rocking before the Chelsea game, which was brilliant, and to see so many fans waving their scarves in the air as the teams came out of the tunnel was a brilliant sight - so it would certainly be fantastic to see something similar next week in front of the Sky Sports TV cameras.”
A limited number of scarves are available from the DCFCMegastore and can be purchased during normal opening hours, or by visiting: dcfcmegastore.com.

Read more at http://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/article/bring-your-scarf-against-qpr-0302-1337511.aspx#lPB3d8mrmetgodfiddleswithdogsBQdbvykZ17.99
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 05, 2014, 03:32:35 pm
David Beckham has confirmed that he is exercising his option to start up a new MLS franchise, and he is doing so in Miami. Smart move IMO, there should be a huge market for football there.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on February 05, 2014, 03:36:51 pm

David Beckham has confirmed that he is exercising his option to start up a new MLS franchise, and he is doing so in Miami. Smart move IMO, there should be a huge market for football there.


It's also warm and has hot latino burds.  Sign me up as a fan.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 05, 2014, 03:54:50 pm
The weather's great, and it's close to the Caribbean. There must be some sort of advisory role suitable for me.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on February 05, 2014, 05:45:20 pm

The weather's great, and it's close to the Caribbean. There must be some sort of advisory role suitable for me.


Sure; you can sell tickets to your Jockanese friends.  It will require you to be based in Dingwall, I'm afraid, but your advice will be hugely appreciated.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 05, 2014, 05:59:12 pm
Shucks.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RC on February 05, 2014, 06:37:49 pm
You mean 'crivens'.

This is another word I only know because of The Beano. I was bitterly disappointed that during my single visit to Scotland I didn't hear it uttered once. I imagine they all waited until johnny Foreigner had gone and then went off to point at planes 'crivens! It's a shiny flying beastie!'
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on February 05, 2014, 08:44:36 pm

You mean 'crivens'.

This is another word I only know because of The Beano. I was bitterly disappointed that during my single visit to Scotland I didn't hear it uttered once. I imagine they all waited until johnny Foreigner had gone and then went off to point at planes 'crivens! It's a wee shiny flying beastie!'


FTFY
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RC on February 05, 2014, 08:51:26 pm
I did hear someone say wee. I had wondered if they really did. It would seem that the 'Jocks & Geordies' strip in The Beano (Dandy?) wasn't lying on that score.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on February 05, 2014, 08:55:00 pm

I did hear someone say wee. I had wondered if they really did. It would seem that the 'Jocks & Geordies' strip in The Beano (Dandy?) wasn't lying on that score.


from my years in Scotchland, I can confirm 'wee' is very much part of the vocabulary. As is 'barm pot' 'ned' and 'ya daft English b@stard'
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on February 06, 2014, 11:43:25 am
Brighton losing £14.7 million in a year? They are barely trying http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/05/brighton-losses-increase-premier-league
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 07, 2014, 01:59:57 pm
This will further endear Moyes to the United faithful.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26078800

Can't imagine it happening with Ferguson in charge.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on February 07, 2014, 02:56:29 pm
When United are celebrating the return of Darren Fletcher, you know that they are in deep sh!t.  Ferguson baled out just in time. I do have sympathy for Moyes, there is so much dross to shift - including the entire back four.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on February 07, 2014, 03:13:28 pm

When United are celebrating the return of Darren Fletcher, you know that they are in deep sh!t.  Ferguson baled out just in time. I do have sympathy for Moyes, there is so much dross to shift - including the entire back four.


When Johnny Evans is apparently favourite to be the new club captain, you know they are in trouble.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on February 07, 2014, 03:18:24 pm
Brilliant. I hope it gets worse and worse. f*ck um.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on February 07, 2014, 03:20:59 pm

When Johnny Evans is apparently favourite to be the new club captain, you know they are in trouble.


Chris Smalling makes him look good.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on February 07, 2014, 03:22:52 pm

Chris Smalling makes him look good.


And not in the same way that Des Walker and Colin Cooper used to make Steve Chettle look good.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on February 07, 2014, 04:32:36 pm

  Ferguson baled out just in time.


Definitely. His management and RVP carried a very poor United team to the title by 11 points. But Fergie knew Mourinho was coming back (someone who beat him to the title both times they were up against each other), Man City were going to come back strong.
Definition of quitting while you're ahead or taking the cowards way out and running away.
Makes you think he never really liked Moyes though giving the mess he left for him.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on February 08, 2014, 01:01:49 pm
Not enjoying the early kick-off in the Premier League. Michael Owen's partisan commentary is not helping one bit. He shouldn't be on Liverpool games. Gary Neville is far better at keeping a lid on it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 08, 2014, 01:05:36 pm
I think it's a great game to watch so far. Though agree about Owen's commentary.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on February 08, 2014, 01:08:28 pm

I think it's a great game to watch so far. Though agree about Owen's commentary.


I like Arsenal a lot, and really don't like Liverpool, so not exactly neutral.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on February 08, 2014, 01:14:30 pm
Mourinho had a good point about co-commentators/pundits being pretty much all from the bindippers
Thompson, Owen, Murphy, Hansen, Lawrensen - even saw David James at Deepdale this week.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 08, 2014, 01:17:46 pm

I like Arsenal a lot, and really don't like Liverpool, so not exactly neutral.


I've got Peter Drury and someone else whose voice is familiar but whose name is escaping me, and I can assure you it's still not pleasant to watch. I don't remember Liverpool FC ever having a more loathsome squad and manager than they do right now. If you offered me relegation for Liverpool on condition that d*rby and Leicester got promoted I'd take it without even thinking about it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on February 08, 2014, 01:24:27 pm
I have the sound muted and Skrtel in my fantasy team so I was happy enough at 2-0. At least the uberc*nt hasn't scored. Yet.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 08, 2014, 01:31:56 pm

I have the sound muted and Skrtel in my fantasy team so I was happy enough at 2-0. At least the uberc*nt hasn't scored. Yet.


I know who you're referring to, but there are at least four players in the Liverpool team who fit that description. There's also at least one on the touchline.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on February 08, 2014, 01:50:56 pm
Who - apart from Suarez and presumably Gerrard - make up your less than fab 4?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 08, 2014, 01:56:01 pm
Skrtel and Sterling.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on February 08, 2014, 02:01:57 pm
Obviously 'a bit c*nty' is the default setting for footballers, especially Liverpudlian ones, but I wasn't aware that Sterling had joined the cliterati.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 08, 2014, 02:03:38 pm
He's a piece of sh!t hoodrat who has twice been charged with assaulting girlfriends.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on February 08, 2014, 02:07:13 pm
I shall now consider myself aware.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 08, 2014, 02:10:22 pm
Apparently the second time he was in court for it, which was last year, he claimed and was given Legal Aid despite earning thirty grand a week.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on February 08, 2014, 02:15:03 pm
5-0 up and Stevie G had to concede a penalty. f*cking bell end. 12 points disappear in one brainless lunge.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: donnyred on February 08, 2014, 02:52:55 pm
I hope Arsenal's season doesn't implode again but history looks like being repeated.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mos on February 08, 2014, 03:44:05 pm
Watford have taken their standard 2-0 lead at the Crispy Bowl. 3rd time lucky?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on February 08, 2014, 03:59:36 pm

I hope Arsenal's season doesn't implode again but history looks like being repeated.


When did it last implode?

I hope so too, but they have been playing better than they are, they haven't significantly strengthened and they have lost important players through injury.  It is no surprise therefore that Chelsea or Man City will win this title, probably irksome Chelsea and their Bionic Megson of a manager.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on February 08, 2014, 04:09:47 pm
Someone on TV earlier said he supported Arsenal because he loved the underdog. Arsenal?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 09, 2014, 03:26:26 pm
f*ck off scouse c*nts. (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-jamaal-lascelles-summer-3126545#ixzz2smCmmHn5)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on February 10, 2014, 12:13:57 pm
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-26110357

Tickets on "sale", for an event that will be oversubscribed by those loveable scousers, urged to arrive early, what could possibly go wrong?......
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on February 10, 2014, 08:18:34 pm
d*rby currently leading 1 0 against QPR. In good news, it's turning into something of a kicking match.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 10, 2014, 08:21:29 pm
Only one booking and no injuries though, so not much use to us yet. A couple of red cards and a season ending injury for Bamford would be ideal.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on February 10, 2014, 08:27:46 pm

Only one booking and no injuries though, so not much use to us yet. A couple of red cards and a season ending injury for Bamford would be ideal.


Jamie Ward's going off injured now.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 10, 2014, 08:29:28 pm
Good, he's a nasty little sh!t.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on February 10, 2014, 09:19:44 pm
QPR close to signing Ravel Morrison on loan, apparently. He must be really poisonous for West Ham to consider letting him go.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dj bobbins on February 10, 2014, 09:27:43 pm
It was only a few weeks ago when people were talking about him going to Brazil?!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 10, 2014, 09:43:54 pm
A d*rby win wasn't my first choice of result, but I can take a positive from any result tonight. We still have to play d*rby so overtaking them is still in our control.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Psychobella on February 10, 2014, 09:55:27 pm

QPR close to signing Ravel Morrison on loan, apparently. He must be really poisonous for West Ham to consider letting him go.

Friends of mine who used to work at Carrington and are obsessive United fans thought he was a nasty little sh!t and they were well rid of him despite his obvious talent.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on February 11, 2014, 03:43:22 pm
Will be interesting to see what Mr Barton makes of him in training, if attitude rumours are true to the mark
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Loafé on February 12, 2014, 01:58:14 pm
Any news on the Sheffiled United match tonight?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 12, 2014, 01:59:00 pm
Please see here: http://trentend.co.uk/index.php?topic=364.0
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on February 12, 2014, 04:01:46 pm

Any news on the Sheffiled United match tonight?


OFF
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 12, 2014, 04:55:39 pm
There are concerns about Sundays game.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 12, 2014, 04:56:17 pm
Yeah, me for one, our players are going to be knackered.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on February 12, 2014, 05:25:42 pm
Pitch is absolutely saturated at the present - and it's still chucking it down here.

Needs a lot of work to be ready for Sunday.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 12, 2014, 07:55:21 pm
Manchester United have ten men behind the ball in the first ten minutes at Arsenal. This is a very different MUFC than we're used to seeing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 13, 2014, 03:18:21 pm
41 or 17? You decide....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26162408
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 14, 2014, 07:23:30 pm
Presumably Billy Davies will be the next managerial target for Fulham after Paul Mcgrath has failed to keep them up.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 15, 2014, 04:27:07 pm
Say it quietly, but Bournemouth are currently beating Burnley...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on February 15, 2014, 04:33:07 pm

Say it quietly, but Bournemouth are currently beating Burnley...


You just had to, didn't you?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 15, 2014, 05:01:40 pm
Finished 1-1. That's not a bad result for us, although not as good as it was until Jim ruined it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 15, 2014, 05:17:01 pm
Sorry guys.

Reading v QPR tomorrow. If we're ambitious then a Reading win please. I'd happily settle for a draw though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on February 15, 2014, 05:22:25 pm

Sorry guys.

Reading v QPR tomorrow. If we're ambitious then a Reading win please. I'd happily settle for a draw though.


Got to be looking for a Reading win, we are already nailed on for the top 6, all that matters is what goes on above us.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on February 15, 2014, 05:35:53 pm

Got to be looking for a Reading win, we are already nailed on for the top 6, all that matters is what goes on above us.


Is it just me that gets nervous at statements like this? We're approaching the traditional 'Davies team runs out of steam' portion of the season.  The previous parts of the season have broadly followed the normal pattern.  Anything could happen. I mainly expect that we'll limp over the line into the play-offs (probably playing players who clearly need a rest as we do), and go out prior to a wemberley appearance.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 15, 2014, 05:39:13 pm
Exactly my thoughts Tricky. I'm expectant of a 5-6 match period where we barely get a point. As noted, there's precedent. I'd be more confident if we didn't have so many first team players injured. It feels in terms of numbers that we're actually where we normally are I.e. a bit short.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on February 15, 2014, 05:45:10 pm
We only need another 18 or 19 points from the remaining 16 games. No Davies season end has come close to being that bad (worst ever was 22 in his second season here). Top six is a (near) certainty.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 15, 2014, 05:46:35 pm
A playoff match up with d*rby is almost a foregone conclusion, the Davies/McClaren story is waiting to be written.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 15, 2014, 06:56:29 pm
Yep. Hopefully in the final rather than semi..
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on February 16, 2014, 05:27:38 pm
QPR losing 1-3 to Reading. Has cheered me up no end.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on February 16, 2014, 05:28:16 pm
Suarez cheating his way to another penalty has pissed me off again.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on February 16, 2014, 05:32:44 pm

QPR losing 1-3 to Reading. Has cheered me up no end.


I still don't think we can be consistent enough to get to second without Vaughan and, especially, Lansbury. Getting Guedioura in might go some way to convincing me.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on February 16, 2014, 05:57:05 pm
But Liverpoo losing has cheered me up enormously again.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 16, 2014, 10:38:25 pm

But Liverpoo losing has cheered me up enormously again.


Wish it had been a league game rather than the Cup though. I can't imagine the awfulness of those scum winning the League.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on February 18, 2014, 09:39:52 pm
Is Patrick Bamford starting to really piss off anybody else?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on February 18, 2014, 09:40:43 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 18, 2014, 09:48:19 pm
Yep
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 18, 2014, 09:56:30 pm
At least we've got The Terrorist.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on February 19, 2014, 09:48:21 pm
Well, the only team in the league who have a manager who has got a ballbag for a face have signed Ravel Morrisson.  Just look at their ridiculous squad, then look at our's a point behind and with +7 better goal difference and tell me with a straight face that Billy is not doing a good job.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 19, 2014, 09:53:15 pm
Can we compare with Burnley and d*rby or are we just comparing with the team who had a documentary made about them showing them to be complete basketcases?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on February 19, 2014, 10:10:06 pm

Can we compare with Burnley and d*rby or are we just comparing with the team who had a documentary made about them showing them to be complete basketcases?


d*rby are freaks.  I can't explain it beyond that. They have a doughnut managing them and, even with Patrick van Bastenford leading their line they surely cannot sustain this run.

While it's tempting to automatically think of Burnley as northern paupers, they have invested their premier league payouts well and have the likes of Shackell, Stanislas, Treacy, Marney, Trippier, David Jones, Wallace and Kightly on their books.   I doubt their wage bill is less than ours.  The real/only bargain magic there is Ings and Vokes who on paper are probably the weakest / cheapest players in the team.

Perhaps that's the secret.  Fill your team with quality but put two absolute sh!tters up front who you have no hope for and who have no pressure on them.  I wonder where we would be if we had just played, say, McGoldrick and Tudgay solidly for two years, told them to ignore the boos and develop a partnership between them while we installed Lansbury, Reid, Vaughan, Paterson, Abdoun etc behind them..... I doubt they'd have scored less than those who have been playing up front.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on February 20, 2014, 10:08:05 am

poohole are freaks.  I can't explain it beyond that. They have a doughnut managing them


A doughnut who has a good record in club management.  Had we given him the support that Davies has had I firmly believe we would be in the top two and not looking knackered after 70 minutes every game.

While it's tempting to automatically think of Burnley as northern paupers, they have invested their premier league payouts well and have the likes of Shackell, Stanislas, Treacy, Marney, Trippier, David Jones, Wallace and Kightly on their books.   I doubt their wage bill is less than ours.


Really?  You believe that?  remember we have Greening and Miller not even playing for us but commanding large salaries.  Add to that the likes of Wilson (who won't have come back here for nothing) and you have a large wage bill.  Bet there aren't many much larger than ours, QPR aside!

Perhaps that's the secret.  Fill your team with quality but put two absolute sh!tters up front .................. I doubt they'd have scored less than those who have been playing up front.


How about just letting strikers do what strikers do and not expect them to run around lots to the detriment of them scoring goals.  I would suggest that Matt Pooholeshire would score 20 goals if he were played regularly.  He just doesn't do the things that Billies likes, unlike Cox and Mackie.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 20, 2014, 10:20:46 am
Why are you people wasting time responding to this latest troll ?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 20, 2014, 10:50:18 am
It's a sad fact of this board that people cannot help themselves.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on February 20, 2014, 10:57:09 am
I agree, we all feel the need to constantly respond
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 20, 2014, 11:09:28 am
I resist.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on February 20, 2014, 11:24:43 am
I know, I also resist the need to constantly post
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 20, 2014, 11:48:15 am
How?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on February 20, 2014, 11:52:12 am
By just not bothering to post when I have nothing to add and not simply replying to things when I have nothing further to say that is of interest or of any use to anyone.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 20, 2014, 12:02:15 pm
Pretty much everything I say is of no interest or concern to anyone.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on February 20, 2014, 12:38:48 pm
Can I just thank you all from the heart of my bottom for all the pointless trivia which enables me to avoid doing something more useful instead.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on February 20, 2014, 12:49:54 pm
Yes, but in the interests of the planet we should all refrain from repeatedly posting things on the internet when we have nothing of interest to say, or indeed when we constantly repeat ourselves, or say the same things over and over and over again.

(sorry, I'm bored today)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on February 20, 2014, 12:54:58 pm

Pretty much everything I say is of no interest or concern to anyone.


Aren't you a solicitor? Do you get any clients?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 20, 2014, 02:21:10 pm
When I do, I never let them go.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 20, 2014, 02:21:37 pm
(And no, not a solicitor.)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on February 20, 2014, 02:33:09 pm

(And no, not a solicitor.)


It had me tittering that did.  In a bit like calling a surgeon a hospital porter sort of a way.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on February 20, 2014, 02:38:40 pm
What is JP then? A legal executive?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on February 20, 2014, 02:42:08 pm

What is JP then? A legal executive?


Pipe down and get on with your work.  You wouldn't want to lose your job as a data entry clerk.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on February 20, 2014, 02:43:27 pm
Data entry EXECUTIVE actually
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on February 20, 2014, 02:47:38 pm

Data entry EXECUTIVE actually


I'd argue semantics with you, but I have tea to make.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on February 20, 2014, 02:52:40 pm
Will you lot upstairs calm down, all this noise your makings is deafining us down here in the troll division.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on February 20, 2014, 03:11:20 pm

It had me tittering that did.  In a bit like calling a surgeon a hospital porter sort of a way.


Works in law but vague about it
Connections with Forest AND Scotland
"JP"

....so we are saying that JP *is* Jim Price then?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 20, 2014, 03:15:55 pm
Yes.

And all of you will be receiving letters (those sort of letters) soon.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on February 20, 2014, 04:43:12 pm

Will you lot upstairs calm down, all this noise your makings is deafining us down here in the troll division.


Jamie Paterson The Cow is looking very perturbed at the racket.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on February 20, 2014, 06:08:44 pm
She'll sleep so. Watch out for gas, cows fart well when they are asleep.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on February 20, 2014, 09:57:41 pm


Really?  You believe that?  remember we have Greening and Miller not even playing for us but commanding large salaries.  Add to that the likes of Wilson (who won't have come back here for nothing) and you have a large wage bill.  Bet there aren't many much larger than ours, QPR aside!



I do believe it, we have a skewed sense of important but if you look at what we have actually spent and who we have signed they have not been big money players.  An ageing Fulham reserve and a injury plagued west brom reserve are not exactly Ronaldo and Bale. 

Ings was a million too, which I hadn't realised.  Burnley have note exactly been frugal since their Premier League windfall.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on February 21, 2014, 12:39:44 pm
Manchester United being a bit sh!t this season has paid off for someone (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26287482).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dubya on February 21, 2014, 01:03:10 pm
Here in the Still in my dressing gown and farting around on the internet at 1pm division, I'm appalled that Rooney gets paid for doing bugger all....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on February 21, 2014, 09:09:49 pm

Manchester United being a bit sh!t this season has paid off for someone (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26287482).


That is spectacularly late even for the BBC. Everyone knew about this...five or six days ago?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on February 22, 2014, 08:09:37 am

That is spectacularly late even for the BBC. Everyone knew about this...five or six days ago?


Maybe they are waiting until it's confirmed, like you are with Brookes on the other thread?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on February 22, 2014, 10:23:18 am
With the proviso it is impossible to know what a jury of 12 is thinking.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on February 22, 2014, 01:41:21 pm

With the proviso it is impossible to know what a jury of 12 is thinking.


Not if you bug their phones.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on February 22, 2014, 01:43:40 pm

Not if you bug their phones.

Wrong. They are not allowed to discuss the case with third parties.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 22, 2014, 02:50:20 pm
They could be calling each other.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 23, 2014, 11:06:57 am
Managing Cardiff seems to be rapidly turning baby face Solskjaer into Gollum (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26310402).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 23, 2014, 04:55:30 pm
Looks more like Martin Freeman.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 24, 2014, 06:30:40 pm
What the f*ck is with the FA?

http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2014/feb/jason-puncheon-charged-over-twitter-comments

(http://i.imgur.com/J6Gfop0.jpg)

And Puncheon is the one in trouble here?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 24, 2014, 06:50:08 pm
Well he did name the bloke and accuse him of all sorts without proof.  I'd hope Warnock was in bother too but doubt he will be.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on February 25, 2014, 07:28:03 am

And Puncheon is the one in trouble here?


The word 'crooked' is the problem. Unless of course Puncheon has proof of what he is alleging, in which case Warnock could be in some bother.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on February 25, 2014, 08:37:33 pm
Is Warnock actually involved in football at the moment? If he isn't then Puncheon should get off with a slapped wrist and it's up to Warnock to involve the courts. If Warnock is involved in football then you can understand the FA wading in a bit more.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on February 26, 2014, 01:17:08 pm
Lovable scallies!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-26347081
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on February 26, 2014, 03:06:07 pm
Leeds sign Connor Wickham on loan until the end of the season
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on February 26, 2014, 04:06:06 pm
Oh good. Sigh. At the moment he's looking a much better bet than us spunking however many millions on the Terrorist.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 26, 2014, 04:42:19 pm
Leeds are 11th, seven points off the playoffs, with 15 games to play. It's a tall order but it's doable.

I have to assume that Forest weren't really interested because I can't believe that Wickham would rather join a team in Leeds' position than ours.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 26, 2014, 04:45:22 pm
Wonder when their European football ban is coming? Don't hold your breath.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-26351940
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on February 26, 2014, 05:04:25 pm

Wonder when their European football ban is coming? Don't hold your breath.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-26351940


I understand the sentiment, but it's not a football issue, rather a public one, surely?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 26, 2014, 05:09:50 pm
In the same way that hordes of English yobbos rampaging through the streets of Europe were.

UEFA can not allow Istanbul teams to host international fixtures if it's going to put visiting fans at risk.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on February 26, 2014, 05:10:54 pm

Leeds are 11th, seven points off the playoffs, with 15 games to play. It's a tall order but it's doable.


I'd guess they need about 30 points from those 15 games. However good Wickham might be, I don't think he can improve them by that much (I'm sure McDermott is regaling everyone up there with the story of how he got Reading up two years ago but that was nothing like as big an improvement).

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on February 26, 2014, 05:12:28 pm

In the same way that hordes of English yobbos rampaging through the streets of Europe were.

UEFA can not allow Istanbul teams to host international fixtures if it's going to put visiting fans at risk.


The English ban was for what happened inside the ground. It's a minor difference but an important one. The clubs can clearly be made responsible for what happens on their premises, I'm not sure they can or should be for what happens outside.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on February 26, 2014, 07:19:35 pm

The English ban was for what happened when scousers were allowed inside the ground. It's a minor difference but an important one. The clubs can clearly be made responsible for what happens on their premises, or what happens when scousers kill people on on someone else's premises. I'm not sure they can or should be for what happens outside.


ftfy
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 26, 2014, 08:54:25 pm
FFP off. (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/26/financial-fair-play-championship-clubs-threat-football-league?CMP=twt_gu)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on February 27, 2014, 11:49:52 am

FFP off. (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/26/financial-fair-play-championship-clubs-threat-football-league?CMP=twt_gu)


It's the opening salvo in what will almost certainly be a war against FFP, which I suspect will ultimately see FFP significantly revised before it is truly enforceable.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on February 27, 2014, 03:28:55 pm

It's the opening salvo in what will almost certainly be a war against FFP, which I suspect will ultimately see FFP significantly revised before it is truly enforceable.


It's a lovely idea but it will never fly properly. There are just too many loop holes and issues with it as a lot of the key factors are subjective. The only way it could possibly work is if all aspects of the clubs expenditure where controlled, great you can punish clubs for running up silly debts but that is surely the only goal you can work to.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on February 27, 2014, 10:02:38 pm
Epileptic fans, look away look away look away (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-26371625)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on February 27, 2014, 10:05:23 pm

Epileptic fans, look away look away look away (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-26371625)


Quite funny (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/new-scotland-kit-reflects-countrys-tradition-of-twee-indie-music-2014022784082).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 27, 2014, 10:09:39 pm

Epileptic fans, look away look away look away (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-26371625)


The socks look crap, but I don't hate the shirt at all.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on February 27, 2014, 10:12:11 pm
The shirt's a bit Heaven nightclub circa 1995.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 27, 2014, 10:30:09 pm
That's probably why I like it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on February 28, 2014, 08:11:11 am
Someone should introduce a Global Hypercolour football kit.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on February 28, 2014, 11:22:31 am

It's a lovely idea but it will never fly properly. There are just too many loop holes and issues with it as a lot of the key factors are subjective. The only way it could possibly work is if all aspects of the clubs expenditure where controlled, great you can punish clubs for running up silly debts but that is surely the only goal you can work to.


The main controls that you could make work are debt vs equity and making sure that bills are paid. Tax bills have been a way previously that clubs have increased their spending power whilst racking up huge debts with HMRC, you could easily sanction that. Likewise, payment periods on other debts and invoices could be controlled.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on February 28, 2014, 03:06:59 pm

Someone should introduce a Global Hypercolour football kit.


Ha! I had one of them circa 1991. Bonkers idea but someone made a few quid out of it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on February 28, 2014, 03:15:44 pm

The main controls that you could make work are debt vs equity and making sure that bills are paid. Tax bills have been a way previously that clubs have increased their spending power whilst racking up huge debts with HMRC, you could easily sanction that. Likewise, payment periods on other debts and invoices could be controlled.


Equity is complicated to calculate. I think the the only real way is to limit debt to a universal figure applied to each leauge. Otherwise it is all just to easy to dodge.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on February 28, 2014, 03:49:05 pm
What I meant was you limit the amount of debt that a club can have (whether to the owner or outside) but allow cash injections through equity. FFP has an element of this in it as it stands but also tries to limit equity injections. You could also have some metric that links the size of commitments through contracts into future years to cash reserves.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on February 28, 2014, 03:56:29 pm

What I meant was you limit the amount of debt that a club can have (whether to the owner or outside) but allow cash injections through equity. FFP has an element of this in it as it stands but also tries to limit equity injections. You could also have some metric that links the size of commitments through contracts into future years to cash reserves.


or you could have proper sanctions for those clubs that welch on their obligations, and leave those that don't to manage their affairs as they see fit.

because you either try and tie everyone into a standard financial structure (salary caps, etc) or you accept that some clubs are going to spend more than others - wherever it comes from - and you let them get on with it. any system that says it's ok for one club to spend a £50m parachute payment, but not for another to spend a £50m cheque from the owner is, to be frank, corrupt. FFP is, at every level, about protecting the established order of things.. and it can f*ck off.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on February 28, 2014, 04:11:01 pm
I sympathise with your view, but think the situation is slightly more complex.

Club A spends £50 million parachute payment, club B spends £50 million of owners money.  The parachute payment for A materialises, the owners cheque for B bounces.

Club A continues merrily on its way. Club B has the erstwhile owner f*ck off to Jail in Thailand (or some such), never to be seen again. Historic club B goes to the wall and disappears out of existence.

Should the football governing authorities have not done something to prevent it? Assess the spending power of owner? review every one of his spending decisions and plans? Prevent him obtaining credit from suppliers or banks? Really, what can they do.

So really, the stark choice is don't do anything, or restrict sanctions to how closely clubs spend to their income.

The only thing wrong is that owners should be allowed to write cheques to their club, and that count as legitimate income.  Running up debt is the big problem.....pretty much every owner of every club, ever, has not written cheques.  When they spend money, they put it into debt in the club.  This needs to be stopped.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on February 28, 2014, 04:40:20 pm

Should the football governing authorities have not done something to prevent it? Assess the spending power of owner? review every one of his spending decisions and plans? Prevent him obtaining credit from suppliers or banks? Really, what can they do.

like i say.. have proper sanctions. make all the people who are supposedly benefitting from the £50m cheque interested enough in whether it's going to clear. that includes fans, players, and other clubs. that means scrapping the 'football creditor' rule, making transfer of a 'golden share' conditional on establishment of a bond to 'make good' on bad debts, and, if necessary, allowing a 'historic' club to go bust.

but, really, it's not whether the cheque clears that's usually the problem (oibc aside) but whether the owner is going to ask for it back.

Quote
So really, the stark choice is don't do anything, or restrict sanctions to how closely clubs spend to their income.

The only thing wrong is that owners should be allowed to write cheques to their club, and that count as legitimate income.

but that 'only' wrong thing is absolutely fundamental.. which is why FFP is corrupt. it's not an oversight, it's the whole point. they're not trying to stop the problems that you're concerned with, they're trying to do something else.

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Running up debt is the big problem.....pretty much every owner of every club, ever, has not written cheques.  When they spend money, they put it into debt in the club.  This needs to be stopped.

but it's done that way for tax/convenience reasons. as we always used to point out during the latter doughty years.. our debt was effectively owed to ourselves (contrast with the early doughty years, where there was a third party lender and guarantees and the likes.. much murkier). i agree it's not ideal, because it makes it easier for owners to sell the club but maintain damaging claims upon it (see Pompey) but their having put everything in as equity wouldn't preclude them from manufacturing comparable positions if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Kemo Sabe on February 28, 2014, 07:29:27 pm
76 clubs under UEFA FFP investigation.... (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/28/manchester-city-inquiry-financial-fair-play) I'd be amazed if we're not one of them. Leicester and QPR must be on the list as well.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on February 28, 2014, 07:38:48 pm

76 clubs under UEFA FFP investigation.... (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/28/manchester-city-inquiry-financial-fair-play) I'd be amazed if we're not one of them. Leicester and QPR must be on the list as well.


Highly unlikely, given Forest, Leicester and QPR weren't involved in European competition this season. The only FFP that applies to us is that administered by the Football League.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on March 01, 2014, 08:07:12 am
Surely there need to be properly financed business plans for the length of any contracts with funds put in place for any amounts in excess of normal trading resources for the duration of any contract either in either equity and actual cash in the club or investments held in escrow or legally assigned, that can't be sold or moved without the club and FL consent. It does seem ludicrous you can't spend what you want, as long as future contracted liabilities are also properly funded and ring fenced.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RC on March 01, 2014, 04:38:31 pm
Alan Pardew has just been sent to the stands for head-butting a Hull player after an argument over a throw in.

Effort.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on March 03, 2014, 11:42:52 am
Does Suarez (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26414167) have any sort of case for breach of contract?  He probably wouldn't want to stir anything up now anyway as funny as it would be.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on March 03, 2014, 11:58:02 am

Does Suarez (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26414167) have any sort of case for breach of contract?  He probably wouldn't want to stir anything up now anyway as funny as it would be.


i would doubt it - the point, it seems, is that the clause didn't hold up.. so, therefore, no breach. more likely might be a case for misrepresentation of some sort.. if he wanted to argue that he'd been duped into a contract with a clause that the club didn't think it would have to honour.

</armchair lawyer>
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on March 04, 2014, 02:19:38 pm

Alan Pardew has just been sent to the stands for head-butting a Hull player after an argument over a throw in.

Effort.

Sorry if this has been picked up on a number of threads, it's the talkback way after all.  It seems he's in for a suspension and large fine.  When I saw it I thought it would be the ideal opportunity for Newcastle to get out of that ridiculously long contract they gave Pardew.  Doesn't he have about 6 or 7 years left on it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on March 04, 2014, 02:48:58 pm
Just seen the photo of Oakwell on the OS (some news report about ticket availability) and had to do a double take as the stand in their photo looks almost identical to our BC stand
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on March 04, 2014, 02:51:59 pm

Sorry if this has been picked up on a number of threads, it's the talkback way after all.  It seems he's in for a suspension and large fine.  When I saw it I thought it would be the ideal opportunity for Newcastle to get out of that ridiculously long contract they gave Pardew.  Doesn't he have about 6 or 7 years left on it?


He's doing alright really though ain't he, the country's 8th biggest club is 8th in the leauge.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 04, 2014, 02:53:56 pm

Just seen the photo of Oakwell on the OS (some news report about ticket availability) and had to do a double take as the stand in their photo looks almost identical to our BC stand


(http://www.footballgroundguide.com/barnsley/barnsley2.jpg)

It has two tiers, red seats and white writing, but so do lots of stands at lots of grounds.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 04, 2014, 04:20:49 pm
Leicester make record losses.

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-City-FC-remain-upbeat-despite/story-20749852-detail/story.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dj bobbins on March 04, 2014, 04:37:31 pm
I wonder when our accounts are due.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on March 04, 2014, 05:28:49 pm

I wonder when our accounts were due.


FTFY
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dj bobbins on March 05, 2014, 09:15:58 am
http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/midlands/109729-exclusive-nottingham-forest-fall-short-new-financial-rules?utm_source=eastmidlands_newsletter&utm_medium=top_story_article&utm_campaign=eastmidlands_news_tracker
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on March 05, 2014, 10:08:17 am
So losses about half of Leicester's. Bit odd that our income is dropping but I guess this year's "sponsorship" and TV deals will mean that it improves for the current season.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 05, 2014, 04:12:51 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/05/leeds-takeover-massimo-cellino-accused-tax-evasion-yacht?CMP=twt_gu

Oops. This could get messy.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on March 05, 2014, 04:34:43 pm
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/3/5/1394028651221/Massimo-Cellino-009.jpg)

Top Tip : if you're neck deep in mafia rumours, lose the sunglasses.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on March 05, 2014, 04:45:51 pm

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/3/5/1394028651221/Massimo-Cellino-009.jpg)

Top Tip : if you're neck deep in mafia rumours, lose the sunglasses.


Racist.

Bet you think that nice Vincent Tan is dodgy too.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on March 06, 2014, 11:32:40 am
It's a good job they photoshopped out the horse's head he was holding.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 06, 2014, 10:17:25 pm
As of May last year, QPR were in debt to the tune of GBP177M, and I can't imagine that has gone down in the last nine months.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on March 11, 2014, 03:50:30 pm
Pardew fined £60,000 and seven-game ban, first three to be stadium bans.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on March 11, 2014, 04:42:26 pm

Pardew fined £60,000 and seven-game ban, first three to be stadium bans.


Really taking him to task and setting an example then? Thats only two games longer than Davies' ban!

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on March 11, 2014, 04:44:47 pm
and knowing what we do now about touchline bans (ie. not allowed in dressing rooms 30 mins before kickoff or at halftime or fulltime), and only communicating with the bench via mobile phone from the stands, they are effectively stadium bans. In fact, if I was Davies I would be getting the game TV images streamed to my home in Glasgow and then just phone in the subs.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on March 11, 2014, 04:54:37 pm
Phone in the subs? Given how predictable they normally are, he could pigeon post them from Glasgow.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on March 11, 2014, 08:44:51 pm
Reading 1 up. Some bloke called McCleary. Must be about 2 years since the 3-7 Elland Road game.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on March 11, 2014, 09:31:00 pm
Leed conceded 4 now.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on March 12, 2014, 09:29:58 am
McDermott must be in trouble now, he's taken some heavy defeats, Leeds might well sack him.......again.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on March 12, 2014, 09:51:53 am

Really taking him to task and setting an example then? Thats only two games longer than Davies' ban!

Davies was banned for abusing the ref and supposedly pushing him wasn't he?  It wasn't in full view like Pardew but pushing the ref v placing his forehead on a player's head, I don't think there's a load in it. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Psychobella on March 12, 2014, 10:30:02 am
Bayern Munich have that Guardiolla team quality that Barcelona have. In that they foul early and cleverly to nip any threat in the bud. Schweinsteiger is as good at the tactical foul as anyone I have seen.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on March 12, 2014, 03:36:43 pm

Davies was banned for abusing the ref and supposedly pushing him wasn't he?  It wasn't in full view like Pardew but pushing the ref v placing his forehead on a player's head, I don't think there's a load in it.


I bet Davies is mad that he didn't nut the b@stard now. Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on March 12, 2014, 08:29:10 pm
The Wendies miss a penalty at Wigan.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on March 13, 2014, 04:17:43 pm
No Reid?

http://www.football-league.co.uk/flawards/news/20140313/sky-bet-championship-player-of-the-year-shortlist-announced_2293338_3711472
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 13, 2014, 04:25:52 pm
Why would you have Reid above any of those three?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on March 13, 2014, 04:37:02 pm

Why would you have Reid above any of those three?


he doesn't play for leicester or leeds.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on March 13, 2014, 07:13:43 pm

Why would you have Reid above any of those three?


I haven't looked at the list but I can guarantee he is head and shoulders above them. I can only assume he can't win that and the Ballon D'or in the same season.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on March 16, 2014, 02:39:21 pm
i don't like steven gerrard.. i don't think he's especially good, and i don't think he should be playing for england... but credit where it's due, he takes a mean penalty under pressure.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on March 16, 2014, 03:56:02 pm
3 Liverpool penalties and they only cheated for one of them. Which Gerrard missed. Shame.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 16, 2014, 04:57:05 pm
Jermain Defoe scored twice in the first 24 minutes of his Toronto FC debut. He quite a big deal over here.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on March 16, 2014, 04:59:57 pm

Jermain Defoe scored twice in the first 24 minutes of his Toronto FC debut. He quite a big deal over here.


I know he's on a fortune out there but I can't help thinking he's cashed in a couple of years too soon. Still good enough for a top-half Premier League club, for me. Quality player.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 16, 2014, 05:07:27 pm

I know he's on a fortune out there but I can't help thinking he's cashed in a couple of years too soon. Still good enough for a top-half Premier League club, for me. Quality player.


I doubt he's getting paid more here than he would be in the UK, I believe he's on the equivalent of around 60-70K a week; still a huge amount of money, but not unrealistic by Premier League standards.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on March 16, 2014, 05:16:54 pm

I doubt he's getting paid more here than he would be in the UK, I believe he's on the equivalent of around 60-70K a week; still a huge amount of money, but not unrealistic by Premier League standards.


This would suggest otherwise...

http://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2014/01/13/toronto_fcs_tim_leiweke_reaches_for_the_stars_kelly.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 16, 2014, 05:32:15 pm
$8M is around 4.3M pounds, which is a bit over eighty grand a week. I don't believe that Defoe was on twenty grand a week; there are Championship players earning that. He'll also be paying more tax than he would in the UK, marginal tax rate for someone earning $1M+ in Ontario is around 50% and it's very hard to avoid over here; it's a big problem for hockey, baseball and basketball teams in Canada trying to attract players ahead of US teams. It may well be a pay rise but there's a significant element of MLSE pumping their own tyres there, I think.

Defoe's been out of England contention for a while now and while not Premier League standard, football in the MLS is an order of magnitude better than it was even a few years ago. I can see why he'd want to be a top star here rather than a middling one in England.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on March 16, 2014, 05:51:00 pm

Defoe's been out of England contention for a while now and while not Premier League standard, football in the MLS is an order of magnitude better than it was even a few years ago. I can see why he'd want to be a top star here rather than a middling one in England.


His career stats to date are 220 goals in 378 games, the vast majority at top-flight level. That's hardly a middling return and he's still only 31. I reckon a United or Arsenal could have done a lot worse.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 16, 2014, 05:59:44 pm

His career stats to date are 220 goals in 378 games, the vast majority at top-flight level. That's hardly a middling return and he's still only 31. I reckon a United or Arsenal could have done a lot worse.


I don't disagree, but he couldn't get a regular game at Spurs. For whatever reason, he doesn't seem to be viewed as one of the elite players.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on March 16, 2014, 06:09:21 pm
Where's the E come from? What happened to MLS?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on March 16, 2014, 06:10:07 pm

I don't disagree, but he couldn't get a regular game at Spurs. For whatever reason, he doesn't seem to be viewed as one of the elite players.


Just think what he could have made of his career has Platty's inquiry to West Ham not been rebuffed circa 99/00. He could have partnered Mikkel Beck for a start. That sort of opportunity doesn't come along every day.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 16, 2014, 06:22:42 pm

Where's the E come from? What happened to MLS?


MLS = Major League Soccer = the North American football league in which TFC play

MLSE = Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment = the massive sports conglomerate that owns the Toronto Maple Leafs (hockey), Toronto Raptors (basketball), Toronto Argonauts (CFL) and Toronto FC
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on March 16, 2014, 06:23:17 pm
Thank you. That could confuse a stupid person.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 16, 2014, 06:24:18 pm

Thank you. That could confuse a stupid person.


I will forgive you your limited knowledge of North American sporting franchises, their owners and the leagues in which they compete.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on March 16, 2014, 09:03:36 pm

MLS = Major League Soccer = the North American football league in which TFC play

MLSE = Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment = the massive sports conglomerate that owns the Toronto Maple Leafs (hockey), Toronto Raptors (basketball), Toronto Argonauts (CFL) and Toronto FC


And they don't own the Blue Jays? Thats careless
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 16, 2014, 11:27:47 pm
Rogers (big Toronto cable and wireless media company) own the Blue Jays. Rogers and Bell (the other big cable and wireless media company) own MLSE between them.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on March 17, 2014, 08:51:17 am

i don't like steven gerrard.. i don't think he's especially good, and i don't think he should be playing for england... but credit where it's due, he takes a mean penalty under pressure.


He's missed 8 now for Liverpool out of about 40 and didn't he miss in a shoot out for England as well
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on March 17, 2014, 11:58:30 am
Tim Sherwood. Quite like him as a manager - seems to have a bit of the 'madness' about him but does come across as a winner and his default position is to play good football. Suspect he will need to leave Spurs and get a club promoted before he really 'makes it' though, as suspect his Spurs tenure will be quite short the way things are going.

Just saying...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on March 17, 2014, 04:16:22 pm

He's missed 8 now for Liverpool out of about 40 and didn't he miss in a shoot out for England as well


really? that's good then. i can go back to thinking he's entirely pointless.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on March 17, 2014, 09:13:09 pm

Tim Sherwood. Quite like him as a manager - seems to have a bit of the 'madness' about him but does come across as a winner and his default position is to play good football. Suspect he will need to leave Spurs and get a club promoted before he really 'makes it' though, as suspect his Spurs tenure will be quite short the way things are going.

Just saying...


Between him and Malky for the Naaaridge job, depending on when Hughton gets the boot.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on March 17, 2014, 09:25:32 pm
The FA are set to decide that Hull City cannot become Hull Tigers. Excuse me? If you buy a business, and if you want to change the name of that business and it's not offensive or anything, who is to stop you?

Hull Tigers is a far better name than Hull City anyway. If Pete Winkelman could move a whole f*cking club to a different f*cking venue just a decade ago, how come Hull City can't change one word? I'm all for the renaming of clubs, and look forwards to the days we welcome the Norwich Canaries, the Notts Magpies and the d*rby Sheep Molesters to the City Ground, or the Al-Hasawi Arena as it will soon be known.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 17, 2014, 09:37:38 pm

The FA are set to decide that Hull City cannot become Hull Tigers. Excuse me? If you buy a business, and if you want to change the name of that business and it's not offensive or anything, who is to stop you?

Hull Tigers is a far better name than Hull City anyway. If Pete Winkelman could move a whole f*cking club to a different f*cking venue just a decade ago, how come Hull City can't change one word? I'm all for the renaming of clubs, and look forwards to the days we welcome the Norwich Canaries, the Notts Magpies and the d*rby Sheep Molesters to the City Ground, or the Al-Hasawi Arena as it will soon be known.


I would imagine that the issue is less with the renaming of Hull City to Hull Tigers, and more with the precedent it sets; if they allow it, they have a problem when d*rby's owners announce that next year they will be known as the Acme Food Processing Rams.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on March 17, 2014, 09:43:57 pm

I would imagine that the issue is less with the renaming of Hull City to Hull Tigers, and more with the precedent it sets; if they allow it, they have a problem when d*rby's owners announce that next year they will be known as the Acme Food Processing Rams.


Not the same. Would you have a problem if we were called the Nottingham Hoods? Clearly most of the fans would, a massive one, but if that's what an owner wants to call us, why not?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on March 17, 2014, 09:52:18 pm
It's ridiculous. Surely there have been name changes throughout history for one reason or another. Whether you think Hull Tigers would create a better 'brand' for the club or not (it will), the FA shouldn't be standing in the way of the owners wishes.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 17, 2014, 09:56:48 pm

Not the same. Would you have a problem if we were called the Nottingham Hoods? Clearly most of the fans would, a massive one, but if that's what an owner wants to call us, why not?


Because it's stupid.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on March 17, 2014, 09:58:21 pm

Because it's stupid.


have you not noticed that the world is very often an incredibly stupid place?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 17, 2014, 10:41:30 pm

have you not noticed that the world is very often an incredibly stupid place?


It doesn't mean that we should allow increasing amounts of stupid to come into being without a challenge.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on March 18, 2014, 06:11:01 am

It's ridiculous. Surely there have been name changes throughout history for one reason or another. Whether you think Hull Tigers would create a better 'brand' for the club or not (it will), the FA shouldn't be standing in the way of the owners wishes.


The FA can do what the f*ck it likes.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on March 18, 2014, 07:49:20 am

really? that's good then. i can go back to thinking he's entirely pointless.


I was quite surprised because he always looks so confident stepping up
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on March 18, 2014, 08:25:57 am
Lucky that Leicester Fosse got in with their name change before this apparent rule change.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on March 18, 2014, 08:47:13 am

It's ridiculous. Surely there have been name changes throughout history for one reason or another. Whether you think Hull Tigers would create a better 'brand' for the club or not (it will), the FA shouldn't be standing in the way of the owners wishes.


If people start supporting Hull City because they have become Hull Tigers those people should be put in stocks in Hull's market square and ridiculed as idiots.

Obviously they don't do this in any way, but the FA should absolutely stand in the way of owners in preference to fans on such matters.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on March 18, 2014, 08:56:26 am
Whether you think Hull Tigers would create a better 'brand' for the club or not (it will)...


No, it won't, because the fans of the club don't like it. The Hull Tigers brand would be toxic from day one.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on March 18, 2014, 09:05:42 am
In Hull maybe but a lot of stuffs toxic in Hull. If he's going to make a lot of money from the club it aint going to come from Hull.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on March 18, 2014, 09:06:42 am
It looks like the FA will reject the plan, I wonder if Assem Allam will walk away now like he has threatened to
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on March 18, 2014, 09:28:07 am

In Hull maybe but a lot of stuffs toxic in Hull. If he's going to make a lot of money from the club it aint going to come from Hull.


But if you're a Malaysian or Japanese Premier League fan, are you going to start supporting a toxic club in 16th place, or Chelsea/Man United/Liverpool?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on March 18, 2014, 09:50:37 am

But if you're a Malaysian or Japanese Premier League fan, are you going to start supporting a toxic club in 16th place, or Chelsea/Man United/Liverpool?


Depends on what your favourite animal is.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on March 18, 2014, 09:56:25 am
Otter.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on March 18, 2014, 10:10:25 am

Otter.


You'll be wanting the Yeovil Otters, then.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on March 18, 2014, 10:20:27 am
Bolton surely.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on March 18, 2014, 10:32:30 am
Notters County?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on March 18, 2014, 11:12:51 am

Depends on what your favourite animal is.


If it's a tiger, why not support the Trowbridge Tigers (http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/trowbridgetigers/113773/Home)?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on March 18, 2014, 11:45:04 am

If it's a tiger, why not support the Trowbridge Tigers (http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/trowbridgetigers/113773/Home)?


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Nottingham Ballbois


Really? Now that's a name to usher in gay week.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on March 18, 2014, 12:01:49 pm

But if you're a Malaysian or Japanese Premier League fan, are you going to start supporting a toxic club in 16th place, or Chelsea/Man United/Liverpool?


Depends how much you like tigers really, I think they are quite big into them out there.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on March 18, 2014, 12:04:15 pm
are "they" rascist
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 18, 2014, 01:08:17 pm
The Italian bloke trying to buy Leeds has been found guilty of tax evasion, which means he's probably going to fail the Fit and Proper Persons' test.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on March 18, 2014, 01:50:34 pm

It looks like the FA will reject the plan, I wonder if Assem Allam will walk away now like he has threatened to


With any luck.  That way we get the joy of seeing that c*nt Steve Bruce raging helplessly as it all crumbles beneath him and the club end up back where they belong (somewhere around Division 4, where they spent most of my youth).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on March 18, 2014, 03:14:13 pm

if they allow it, they have a problem when d*rby's owners announce that next year they will be known as the Acme Food Processing Rams.


nobody posessed of rational thought could possibly have a problem with that.

what with this, the franchise dons, and cardiff changing their strip, it seems like there could be more and more of these little spats. i don't think it's the job of the football authorities to say what can or can't happen. either owners can do what they like, or we believe that football clubs are special and the supporters views' should be taken into account (this being deemed a 'price' of competing in our leagues) . if it's the latter then the f.a. need to decide what matters require supporter consultation, and what form that consultation should take. what the authorities themselves think should be irrelevant.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on March 18, 2014, 08:35:28 pm
QPR a goal and a man down against Sheffield Wednesday.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on March 18, 2014, 09:34:00 pm
Yevoli turn it around late at Wogan.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on March 18, 2014, 09:34:23 pm
Miller gets two in three minutes away at Wiggum.

Hmmm...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on March 18, 2014, 09:34:38 pm
and immediately it's 2-2.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on March 18, 2014, 09:37:11 pm
and 3-2 Wigan. It's the hope that kills you...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on March 18, 2014, 09:38:32 pm
That's all kinds of crazy.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on March 18, 2014, 09:42:44 pm
3-3.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on March 18, 2014, 10:17:28 pm

The Italian bloke trying to buy Leeds has been found guilty of tax evasion, which means he's probably going to slide another few bungs to the FA.


Fixed etc.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on March 18, 2014, 10:18:37 pm
My mate at work will be ecstatic with the Wendie's performance.  Not too shabby.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 22, 2014, 10:53:16 pm
Defoe scored the only goal of the game in TFC's win over DC United. 3 goals in 2 games to start his TFC career and a new hero is born.

f*ck Forest, I'm watching TFC from here on.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on March 22, 2014, 11:45:33 pm
the glorious melbourne heart now withing three points of, er, third bottom.. WITH A GAME IN HAND.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Todd on March 23, 2014, 04:10:45 am

the glorious melbourne heart now withing three points of, er, third bottom.. WITH A GAME IN HAND.


Whoever it was who got a membership got in at a very good time.  They were taken over by the owners of Manchester City a few months ago, so they SHOULD do a lot better over the next few seasons.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mangetout on March 23, 2014, 04:45:16 am
Injury-ravaged Phoenix lost 5-0. Our Jockish manager is a very likable man though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Todd on March 23, 2014, 06:33:38 am

Injury-ravaged Phoenix lost 5-0. Our Jockish manager is a very likable man though.


Yes, to my team.  Thanks very much for the help with our goal difference! ;)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on March 23, 2014, 09:16:02 am

Whoever it was who got a membership got in at a very good time.  They were taken over by the owners of Manchester City a few months ago, so they SHOULD do a lot better over the next few seasons.


That would be me, I'm not planning on going over to see them play again anytime soon so I will have only seen sh!te heart.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Todd on March 23, 2014, 11:08:45 am

That would be me, I'm not planning on going over to see them play again anytime soon so I will have only seen sh!te heart.


BT Vision have the broadcasting rights over there.  No idea who they are, but they have the rights.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on March 23, 2014, 03:40:15 pm
BT Sport show the games over here.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: east end tree on March 24, 2014, 12:53:40 pm
Ho ho ho ho ho...

Cellino barred from taking over Leeds... (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/24/massimo-cellino-leeds-united-football-league-bar-takeover)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on March 25, 2014, 09:14:40 pm
Ross Barkley has scored a goal tonight reminiscent of some of Stan's finer efforts.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on March 25, 2014, 09:18:42 pm
Reading 1 Barnsley 3. Madness. COME ON FOREST!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on March 25, 2014, 09:21:19 pm
Well done. Reading bound to win now.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 25, 2014, 09:24:09 pm

Well done. Reading bound to win now.


No, Forest are bound to concede an 86th minute winner.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on March 25, 2014, 09:34:48 pm
Brighton concede in injury time.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on March 25, 2014, 09:38:52 pm
Ipswich 2 d*rby 1.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on March 25, 2014, 09:42:35 pm

No, Forest are bound to concede an 86th minute winner.


82nd minute. Close.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 28, 2014, 02:30:06 pm
Cellino barred from taking over at Leeds, and now the players' pay hasn't gone through. Trouble at t'mill....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on March 31, 2014, 02:04:53 pm
This is pretty amazing. A Leeds fan got hold of a phone number for Cellino, called him and recorded the conversation; this is the transcript.

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Partial transcript follows - check against delivery:

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Ring tone

MC: [unintelligible]

TNS: “Hello”

MC “Hello”

TNS “Is this Massimo Cellino?”

MC “Who’s speaking please?”

TNS “It’s a… a .. a Leeds United fan”

MC “Yes, what can I do for you?”

TNS “Can we talk for about two minutes?”

MC [scoffs]

TNS “Please?”

MC yes –

TNS/MC crosstalk

TNS “Are you confident about tomorrow?”

MC “man, I’m just {unintel} my friend, I’m a little bit tired, and upset. What, what you need from me man?

TNS “You… what?”

TNS “Are you gonna pass

MC “What you need from me?”

TNS “Are you gonna pass tomorrow?”

MC “[unitel] … pass or not, I don’t know. Cause it not up to me people that .. [unitel]

TNS “Are you going to keep David Haigh on?”

MC “Forget it”

TNS “What? You don’t want David?”

MC “I’m drunk”

TNS “Do you want David Haigh?”

MC “Why”

TNS “Get .. get rid of GFH” – “OK?”

MC “It’s not up to me my friend”

TNS “You need to get rid of them, for sure”

MC “Why?”

TNS “Because they are the devil. They are the one that’s going to bring us to administration”

MC “Listen my friend, can you tell me who you are?”

TNS “I’m just a Leeds United fan. Concerned. Who needs clarity.”

MC “I tell you something, they’re hurting the fans so hardly that they... I, I’m from Italy I shouldn’t talk about the fans for Leeds but I feel bad for them … [unintel]

TNS “Thank you”

MC “They did something bad the last ten years to the Leeds fans, [unintel] you accept something like this.

TNS “yeah, so um…”

MC “David is a son of a bitch, he’s a witch, he’s dangerous, he’s a f*cking devil, he’s a big man

TNS “Who Dave?

MC “David”

TNS “You don’t like David?”

MC “Listen…, you think that I’m a fool?”

TNS “What?” “No I don’t think … [crosstalk}

MC “Because I want to buy Leeds, I should be a fool I know but when I take an engagement I respect my engagement, but I found out that the [unitel] is full of thieves and crooks

TNS “Yeah. So, so you don’t think you’ll get the club tomorrow?”

MC “What hope? You think that I’m going to take or not?”

TNS “Are you going to pass the appeal?”

MC “You realise, that the only chance is for Leeds that is got to survive is up to Italian [superguy?] like me [unitel] to buy the Leeds. The only one that bring money there and is able to work in the club, that’s me, and they’re kicking me out like a thief. Do you realise what they’re doing? Why are they doing that? Why? Whose [unintel] to buy the club?”

TNS “The Leeds United fans are really behind you. We really want you in charge. I think you’re excellen….”

MC “Well we got to win… we…. Listen, there is no one, unfortunately, is going to buy the club. No-one, for zero pounds, no one is coming there. Because is a bunch of theifs this club. Not the fans. Only the D..D.. David Haigh.. the people who work for him. They are really dangerous my friend, they are really bad people.

TNS “GFH are dangerous, yeah”

MC “Ken Bates! Ken Bates is still behind the sh!t you know that?”

TNS “Ken Bates is a scumbag, I agree”

MC “He is still behind David Haigh they were at dinner together Saturday. I was in Leeds.. because… I bought a house in Leeds. You think…. I bought a house in Leeds. I didn’t rent, I bought it, because they told me I was.. everything was alright. I spent a lot of money for Leeds. I bought a house. And I found out that Saturday David was.. Friday night David was dinner with Ken Bates. Can you imagine? ”

TNS “Yes, he had dinner last night”

MC “Isn’t that beautiful? Is that beautiful [unintel]. You know, Lets go in bankrupt last time, Leeds, Davi… Ken Bates.. to buy cheaper.”

TNS “Yeah”

MC “That’s the people that become Leeds. What belong David Haigh. What..where where he’d ever work in his life? What he never done his life? What he belong? Where’d he come from? I don’t [unitel] English, I don’t know what’s f*cking with this guy”

TNS “He’s an idiot. A horrible man”

MC “Not an idiot [unintel] he’s sick in his head

TNS “He’s sick in…”

MC “He’s f*cking dangerous”

TNS “Yeah, I agree, David Haigh is a scumbag”

MC “I don’t know what is scumbag, but, but he’s the worst person I never.. he’s . he.. he build the ship {sh!t?}, you know, he made the problem to show that he solve the problem. [Unintel] he take my picture, he try to… to to to blackmail me. What is f*cking f*cking arsehole is that?

TNS “Yeah I agree Massimo”

MC “And I tell…[unintel] I tell GFH, “Kick him out” because [unintel] and the didn’t, didn’t want to kick him out, because he’s blackmailing even Ken Bates.

TNS “Yeah. What about McDermott? Would you sack him?”

MC “Who?”

TNS “Brian McDermott”

MC [Unintel] “I tell you something. You remember the first thing that I done when I came here? In Leeds? I sack him. Because he came [unintel] I said, listen my friend I’m the owner here, I come to this situation, I said, “Listen my friend, I’m the owner here, I want a coach, not a manager, I manage the club” [unintel] me? You work with me, he [unintel} no I don’t give a f*ck. So I tell him ‘Charles.., Brian, get the f*ck out of here. And we won 5 to 1. OK? I have the balls to do it, and we won 5 to 1. And GFH took him back. I bought seven players [unintel] sign the contract with players, with my money, not with GFH’s money. They didn’t sign the players.OK? I pay the wages, I pay the accounts, the debt to Andrew Flowers the f*cking arsehole [unintel] Leeds, and they tell me Leeds, {unintel] that there was a welcome man there. And what’s happened my friend? You see with your eyes. The League, the league want truth, whose going to run the club, how much you going to pay, [unintel] .. you must be joking

And what about the Leeds fans? Forget the money and the law, but the Leeds fans? Who’s going to give back the passion? Listen, I’ve been running twenty three years a club. I know what it is to be fans. To be love a club. I was a fan before of my team in Italia When I came to Leeds they told me [unintel] the f*cking team. I love it. I love the fan, with the shirt, with the jersey, to the match, everybody was singing a song. Everybody was…. With a sh!t.. f*cking sh!t team. You got a sh!t [Unitel] The worst team I ever saw in my life. You have a coach that maybe is a good coach, but he doesn’t know to manage a club, and players. He get.. he’s always on television complaining about money, complaining about market, what does that f*cking work with the players. That talk. You just good talking with the f*cking television. Shut your f*cking mouth. Go to work.”

“I try to help him but I couldn’t because they don’t let me. They don't let me even go into training centre [unintel] If they accept me tomorrow, if I go back to Leeds I just do that before my engagement, because I engage, publicly. If not I will never know how they could lose all the money because there’s a bunch of evil snakes there. But if I go there, I promise to you that I kick the arse of everyone there. From the first to the last I don’t give a f*ck. Not the players, or the journalists, or the f*cking public, … err…. err.. PR, television, radio, I don’t give a f*ck. I don’t talk with television or radio. Have you noticed that? I don’t [read?] television, I don’t watch television. I don’t read papers. I don’t give a bloody damn. I know what I’m doing….”

TNS “so you….”

MC “…with my soul, with myself. That’s my way to work. OK. If they accept me tomorrow, believe me, [unintel] in fact I got to be f*cking [unintel] Unfortunately, I got to work a lot, but I expect from the club a lot of work. I don’t want money from the fans. They already pay enough, too much the fans.

TNS “yep”

MC “OK?

TNS “So you…”

MC “Too much. They get ripped off. You don’t need money you need some money cause Ken Bates steal your money that’s the problem.

TNS “Yeah. Are you gonna sack, are you going to sack McDermott?”
[pause]

MC “Can I tell you friend, I think that’s the last of our problems. McCormack has got seven year contract. Of £700,000 a year. Plus [prizes?], car, television. And the coach, more or less are all the same. I had so many coaches you know earlier. If he wants to work with me, if he’s going to do the right thing, and I believe that he can, that he can run the team, why should I throw money from the window. OK? If I realise that he’s not good for the team, I have to sack him. I don’t give a f*ck. For the team, I work for the team not for myself. But I can tell you something, I don’t like.. I didn’t like him… I don’t understand him very much. I’m from Italy you know, he is Irish. I don’t know very much the people. He seems very strange guy, but he’s not a bad person. The only thing that came out, that he still paid from Reading £800,000 a year, and he’s paid for three years from Leeds £700,000 per year.plus prizes. That is…

And if I [unintel] how would he resign? Who are they staying there. They don’t pay the wage, the don’t buy the players.. and still complain on television, still complain on television. Resign and get the f*ck out of here, true or not?”

TNS “Right, I understand Cellino. I can tell you’re angry right now. You don’t, are you not confident then, you’re not going to get the club?”

MC “No, my friend. Unfortunately I’m worried they’re going to give me the club because I tell you what I’m playing with my friend. If they don’t give the club to me, then the club will go bankrupt because nobody take the club even for free. It’s a dangerous club, it’s expensive club. It’s a big club. It’s not a little club you can run with a couple of million.

TNS “Huge club”

MC “You need a lot of money. And you need, you need experience to do that. Why I came to England, from Italy? To make money, to steal money from you? NO. Because I saw that Leeds is a potential big club with a lot of beautiful fans. And I told my sons, ‘maybe here if we run Leeds how I did Cagliari I can bring into the Premier League, make {da da da da da} level with Manchester United. [Unintel] Leeds in Championship because with Cagliari, Cagliari is a little club, you can not dream that way. You know? So was my [dream?] [Unintel]
And I put a lot of money. Clean money. My money…. I don’t [have petrol?], I don’t know [place of business?] I work in cereal[ry?]. My money’s true, it doesn’t come from a.. from a bank, easy finance sh!t like you see these people today.I come from a serious place a [unintel] ..[ a dishonest man?] As a [contrabandier?] You think a [unintel] or person in my position is going to bring a boat in Italy to save under £80,000 [unintel]. You think I’m so stupid? Come on my friend.”

TNS “Right, how much would yo..”
[crosstalk]

TNS “What would you spend on the club if you did get it?”

MC What I would…? What I give to spend?
[crosstalk]

MC “How much I pay the club?”

TNS “yes what…”

MC “How much I pay the club?

TNS “What…. What players would you get? Would you spend loads on the team?”

MC I was, I was, I was thinking… next.. listen, If I’m admitted the club, we need…. I promise you that… Not next season, but the 15/16 we will go Premier League. Next season, I don’t know if I’m able. It’s not a matter of money. If you understand soccer, its not just a matter of money. Because also if you had… five hundred million pounds if you don’t know what to do with money you can just waste money.”

TNS “Yeah I agree”

MC You have.. you have to have the right money, and to spend in the right way. Without money you can’t do it, but, with a lot of money if you don’t know how to do it you just waste money. You throw money from the window.

TNS “Yeah”

MC “I tell you something, Leeds has got £18,000,000 of wages per year. On the players, OK?

TNS “OK”

MC “OK.”

TNS “So…”

MC “With the income of £28,000,000 per year. Eighteen million on wages. For the sh!t team like that! You shouldn’t spend £5,000,000 on wages not eighteen. With eighteen million on wages you can make a team that can really compete or go in Premier League. With top players. I thought from the beginning to bring Italian players, because I come from Italy and know very well Italian players, but it is wrong because I am in England. I have to get most possible English guys, or international players. Because Italian players, they are good players, but, you know , I’m Italian, they, they don’t speak English in Italy. They very hard from them go from Italy to Leeds. It’s always raining there. You know? It’s a different country. They have different meals. They have the risk to… to … to fail, you know, very easily.

So I change my mind. You need here good English players. OK? And International players. Good quality, with good skills. With the right wages. And grow a beautiful team next year to get ready the year next to go into Premier. To stay! For good! Not steal the f*cking money from the people you know.”

TNS “Right”

MC “You see, have you, have you seen, I didn’t make the season tickets this year? Have you seen? Have you noticed?

TNS “Yeah”

MC “I worked there I said, no season ticket. Why [we have to rush?] Do the supporters get season ticket in February, its not fair. The season ticket you have to sell in May when they know which division we’re doing. When we’re going to tell them what we’re doing. When we’re going to buy back the stadium because the stadium belongs to Leeds, not to the f*cking people that ‘s threatening our stadium. Then we start the season ticket. In May. I no, I never did season ticket in February. What we should do that? And they told me, “because we don’t have the money to pay wages”, I’say ‘I pay the wages’ but we don’t pay the season ticket, OK?
They was going to selling McCormack to Cardiff, for £4,000,000. I stopped them, I said I don’t sell. A nice player, we shouldn’t sell.[unintel] … only one boot [unintel] we’re selling that. .

TNS “yeah”

MC “We’re selling it”

TNS “So you stopp….”
[crosstalk]

TNS “You stopped the transfer?”

MC “Yes. Call McCormack. Ross. I tell him. The 31st of January, he came in Leeds, OK, 5 o’clock in the afternoon. He came to talk with me, to ask me to be transferred to Cardiff for four million pound. I told him, “Get the f*ck out of here, I don’t sell anyone,. Go to train yourself”

TNS {laughs} Go on Massimo, good man. Good man.

MC {excitably] Its all good. Its all good. [unintel] Its like if you have a bar, [or a pub?] and you sell your refrigerator to buy the beer. Where you f*cking put the beer if you don’t own a refrigerator any more? [Unintel] the assets of the team [unintel] …. All the wages that they pay, that’s investment, that’s [unintel] because they’re the guys that make us laugh, that make us enjoy. The players, the good ones. Why you have to… I sell the bad ones, the good ones, I keep.

TNS “Haha. Yeah that’s um… so..”

MC “Listen, its not difficult. It’s very simple. It’s important. To say the truth. Don’t say lies. To don’t say bullsh!t to the fans. [I?} need a lot of f*cking love. You know. And their energy. And Leeds has got a lot of f*cking energy. Cause when I got there, the 18th January, for the first time, I saw the match. The lost One to Zero. On the last minute. OK? ”

TNS “Yeah”

MC “And I was there, I saw the fans, with the f*cking club, they stink of sh!t so big, with 30,000 people watching the match. And lost. And singing. Everybody [unintel] What the f*ck is that? That’s Championship. A f*cking team like that. [Unintel] I dream in my mind, can you imagine I bring good players , we win, become Premier League how good can be? You know? That’s my dream

TNS “Thank you Massimo, you…”
{crosstalk}

MC “… hurt me so much. My friend. And don’t give up. Tomorrow I think we’re going to win. Because, they don’t have a chance. I put them with the back on the floor. They can not roll away. If they want to say that I’m not allowed to go there, unfortunately, Leeds go to bankrupt. If Leeds go to bankrupt [unintel] I take him to the court. To the [unintel] court. They go to the jail, because they been ripping off the f*cking fans everyone. With [unintel], with the stadium, with the [privy?] centre, with insurance, with the f*cking Virgin Island company, Cayman Island company. They…You know ,they bought a player last year….”

TNS “Which player”

MC “From League One. I don’t remember his name. And they paid, the player, one million and a half. From League One. And they give him £22,000 a week. f*ck me! He wages was thousand seven hundred pounds a week, they give him £22,000 a week. From League One. Are you f*cking crazy?

TNS “Mad”

MC “They bought a forward, they called Hunt, I remember his name, Hunt. From Reading. That’s the club where used to play McCormack, you remember? Where used to coach McCormack? This player is being borrowed at one million eight hundred thousand pounds. He’s got £25,000 a week.
[Unintel]

TNS “I know, it’s ridiculous. Luke Murphy”

MC [Unintel (and very excitable] Who put the money? The fans? Season tickets, errr, matchday ticket, err jersey. All the sh!t. GFH, they never put one f*cking pound. “

TNS “One pound”

MC “Never. Nothing. Ever. No money. Just debt, debt, debt”

TNS “How much money have you given GFH?”

MC “Errr…. Less than £10M as of last night. And to the club the same.

TNS “Thanks Massimo, I think you are… I think it’s going to be a big blow if you don’t get the club”

MC “And believe me that money from me is not money come from… from rubbish. That’s money that belong to my company. For a long time. Is true money. I did that with a good purpose. Believe me.

TNS “Thanks Massimo, I think you’re great”

MC “I hope so. Thank you”

TNS “So um, good luck tomorrow Massimo.

MC “OK, don’t worry. Ciao”

TNS “I really hope you get the club”

MC [unintel]

TNS “Will you get the club tomorrow? One last question, will you get the club tomorrow?”

MC “I beg your pardon?”

TNS “Will you get the club tomorrow? Will you win?”

MC “Yeah”

TNS “Yes?”

MC “In fact, what I think, I think that unfortunately I’m going to win. You know why I say unfortunately? Because I’m just buying a lot of work, a lot of debt, and I don’t doubt that. But never mind, I engage I can walk out, you know?”

TNS “You can turn us into a great team Massimo. Come on
Massimo. Believe in yourself

MC “Oh the team is-a sh!t. It’s a great club. It’s a great club. The only thing thats worth in the club, the only thing that [unintel] in the club, are the fans. They don’t own even one pair of t-shirt, they don’t.. they have nothing. The fans are the more important thing in the club. Because the people that going round the background they don’t understand , the only thing that… the treasure in Leeds… are the fans. Where do you f*cking get the club that’s taking a [rip?] like that with twenty five thousand people going to see their match. Where else in the world? Where?

[Unintel] that love the f*cking club. Its not [unintel] so there is no money to buy that. You can buy club with a lot of money, big stadium, big players, but if you don’t have the fans… who you play for? {unintel] you play for yourself. You don’t buy fans my friend. The people that don’t have familiarity with soccer they don’t understand where are the really assets. The only asset nobody can take you that is worth a lot, a fortune, there’s no money to buy, are the fans. You don’t buy the fans. Never.”

TNS “[unintel] crosstalk

MC “Worldwide. The fans, they’re not for sale. They are feelings, you don’t buy feelings. You can buy a bitch, for one night, but you don’t buy the love, my friend. And there’s a lot of love for the club. That’s more important, big than you can reali.. you are never alone [unintel] … you have always company.”

TNS “OK. Umm, thank you Massimo. I think that’s all I um.. you’ve cleared that all up there”

MC “I hope you’re a nice guy. I felt so with you. I shouldn’t talk with you , I don’t know what you’re going to do. Anyway I talk with you what I think

[crosstalk]

TNS “OK, that’s no problem, I think err, good luck tomorrow Massimo”

MC “OK, thank you”

TNS “Thanks very much, goodnight”


So apparently Ken Bates is still in charge and he's the one who engineered the "takeover" by the Middle Eastern bank. That guy has bigger brass balls than I thought.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on April 01, 2014, 09:41:20 am
As if !!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-459708/Ticket-stealing-Liverpool-fans-branded-worst-Europe-UEFA.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on April 01, 2014, 10:34:44 am
Burnley's Vokes out for some time as well now with a knee injury.

They've looked excellent the times I've seen them on the telly-box and I'd hate them to lose out to 'arrys 'oops or the sheep for the other auto spot. I hope that gap is enough for them.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 01, 2014, 10:45:44 am
Shame that didn't happen in January. They'd be clinging onto the play-offs by now I imagine.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on April 01, 2014, 10:46:23 am
Not a shame at all then as they're keeping d*rby out of the top 2.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on April 01, 2014, 11:10:15 am
Exactly, I would much rather Burnley go up than anyone else in the top 6.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 01, 2014, 02:47:31 pm
FWIW, Wigan (home to Leicester, currently 5 points ahead) and Brighton (away to Blackburn, currently 2 points behind) play their games in hand tonight.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 01, 2014, 10:14:54 pm
Didn't end too badly for us. Could have been better. Could have been worse.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on April 01, 2014, 10:19:36 pm
Leed lost again. They're on 47 points. Is it too much to hope to see them relegated again?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 01, 2014, 10:27:35 pm

Leed lost again. They're on 47 points. Is it too much to hope to see them relegated again?


Given the stories of their financial predicament, it wouldn't be a huge surprise to see administration loom its ugly head again and the attendant penalty would probably see them relegated, so I'd say no, it's probably not too much to hope for if that's your desire.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 01, 2014, 10:43:38 pm
Yes please.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 01, 2014, 10:45:17 pm
Seconded.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 01, 2014, 11:21:52 pm

Given the stories of their financial predicament, it wouldn't be a huge surprise to see administration loom its ugly head again and the attendant penalty would probably see them relegated, so I'd say no, it's probably not too much to hope for if that's your desire.


but surely after almost losing their place in the league a few years back, and all the f*cking bleating about how unfair the world is that we were treated to when the spineless chairman c*nts voted them back in, leeds would have learned their lesson. s'funny, but i don't recall hearing about all the fans protesting and boycotting in an effort to force the club owners to reduce costs and run their club on a sustainable basis.

die. club. die.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 02, 2014, 02:13:22 am

die. Bates. die.


FTFY
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 05, 2014, 06:58:18 pm
The Italian fella won his appeal to the Football League and is now allowed to complete his purchase of Leeds.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on April 05, 2014, 07:03:22 pm

The Italian fella won his appeal to the Football League and is now allowed to complete his purchase of Leeds.


Bet McDermott is pleased, as now he can be sacked for the second time by the same bloke
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 05, 2014, 07:29:13 pm

Bet McDermott is pleased, as now he can be sacked for the second time by the same bloke


It's hard to make an argument that he doesn't deserve it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 05, 2014, 09:55:19 pm
Welcome comrade.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 05, 2014, 10:42:01 pm
I like Daniel Taylor as a journalist. His line during the Billies era was spot on.

But I wish he would smarten up a bit. The scruffy b@stard.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on April 05, 2014, 11:38:11 pm

FTFY


No, he was right the first time.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on April 09, 2014, 05:59:50 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26960629

This quote caught my eye:

Daryl Cannon said: "Racism and homophobia are on the same level."

Well ... er ... is it really? I mean, if you live in an environment where racism is tolerated or even encouraged and you happen to be of the wrong race, you can suffer terrible discrimination from the moment you are born. Unless I'm being monumentally thick, I can't see the same applying to homophobia, neither can I equate using the F-word (not f*ck in this cast) with being as terrible as using the N-word. I'm confused, and possibly far too old.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 09, 2014, 06:22:52 pm
Race and sexual orientation are neither of them things about which one has any choice, neither are a reason to treat someone differently, and neither are legitimate terms of or reasons for abuse.

Also, it is not legitimate to claim that age is somehow an excuse for not having to abide by the same societal rules around such things. It isn't acceptable for grandma to make comments about wogs and darkies because "that's just how it was when she was young", and nor is it acceptable for you to think that homophobia's not really so bad because you're in your 50s.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on April 09, 2014, 06:28:04 pm

Race and sexual orientation are neither of them things about which one has any choice, neither are a reason to treat someone differently, and neither are legitimate terms of or reasons for abuse.

Also, it is not legitimate to claim that age is somehow an excuse for not having to abide by the same societal rules around such things. It isn't acceptable for grandma to make comments about wogs and darkies because "that's just how it was when she was young", and nor is it acceptable for you to think that homophobia's not really so bad because you're in your 50s.


You see, I told you I was confused. Thanks for giving me the slap around the chops I so obviously needed.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 09, 2014, 06:29:34 pm
Brighton fans are a bunch of shirtlifters though, if it makes you feel any better.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on April 09, 2014, 06:35:50 pm

Brighton fans are a bunch of shirtlifters though, if it makes you feel any better.


That's what I don't get about this board. I get quite a chastisement for my "thoughts" from you, then you follow it up with the use of an offensive word for homosexuals, and there's quite a few references to "bumming" and "avoiding the showers" in the "star rating" thread. I'm too old and confused for this malarkey. I long for the days when everyone played 2-3-5 and Johnny Carey picked the same XI week-in, week-out. You know where you were in my day ... [rambles on incoherently]
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on April 09, 2014, 06:36:19 pm
According to pictures on the Tw@tter, it was Leeds' new owner Massimo Cellino's first day today. He apparently showed up at 1pm, paid a £500,000 tax bill and the players' wages for last month. Then went down the pub with some fans.

https://twitter.com/Oddschanger/status/453936414950838272/photo/1
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 09, 2014, 06:42:18 pm

That's what I don't get about this board. I get quite a chastisement for my "thoughts" from you, then you follow it up with the use of an offensive word for homosexuals, and there's quite a few references to "bumming" and "avoiding the showers" in the "star rating" thread. I'm too old and confused for this malarkey. I long for the days when everyone played 2-3-5 and Johnny Carey picked the same XI week-in, week-out. You know where you were in my day ... [rambles on incoherently]


The nice thing about Talkback is that it's a small, quiet community of chaps who have mostly known each other on and off the board for a lot of years now. One can usually say such things knowing that they are meant and will be understood to be tongue in cheek. Yes, it's an internet forum and yes, anyone could surf in here and assume that I am a far right homo-hating Christian evangelist, but I think I can probably afford to take that risk just as I think you can afford to take similar chances sitting quietly at a table in the pub with your mates.

It's highly possible - indeed likely - that some of our number are indeed gay and if my comment genuinely offends them then I hope they'd let me know, but I think they'd probably also know that for all that I'm a gobsh!te I'm also generally a well intentioned kind of a chap lacking in malice towards pretty much anyone.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on April 09, 2014, 06:48:22 pm
It's highly possible - indeed likely - that some of our number are indeed gay and if my comment genuinely offends them then I hope they'd let me know, but I think they'd probably also know that for all that I'm a gobsh!te I'm also generally a well intentioned kind of a chap lacking in malice towards pretty much anyone.


Jamie Mackie?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 09, 2014, 06:52:31 pm

Jamie Mackie?


I quite like Mackie, I just wish he had a little bit of talent to go with his workrate and strength. I don't even give a sh!t about HWSNBN now that he is nothing but a bitter memory.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 09, 2014, 07:01:22 pm

The nice thing about Talkback is that it's a small, quiet community of chaps who have mostly known each other on and off the board for a lot of years now. One can usually say such things knowing that they are meant and will be understood to be tongue in cheek.


quite.. and the chain of causation could be running either way here.. i.e. it could be that it's ok to call people bummers because everyone here knows the rules.. or it could be that everyone here is here because the rules are that it ok to call people bummers (in the spirit in which it is, indeed, ok to do so).

my general rule is that you should always assume that people are over-sensitive c*nts, but once you know the ones who aren't.. anything goes. you should never presume to tell people what they should or shouldn't be offended by... but nor should you labour under the (all too common) misapprehension that people have the right to not be offended.

oh, and twikkys gaff = twikkys rules. even if he *is* a c*nt.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on April 09, 2014, 08:21:17 pm
Don't bring me into it.  I'm too busy looking forward to my next shower with men to worry about this rubbish.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 09, 2014, 08:50:39 pm

Race and sexual orientation are neither of them things about which one has any choice, neither are a reason to treat someone differently, and neither are legitimate terms of or reasons for abuse.

Also, it is not legitimate to claim that age is somehow an excuse for not having to abide by the same societal rules around such things. It isn't acceptable for grandma to make comments about wogs and darkies because "that's just how it was when she was young", and nor is it acceptable for you to think that homophobia's not really so bad because you're in your 50s.


It's interesting. You used to be pretty homophobic on here (what you do in your real life is none of my concern, I should add). Now you come across as very tolerant. It's a change I applaud. But what led to it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 09, 2014, 09:04:26 pm

It's interesting. You used to be pretty homophobic on here (what you do in your real life is none of my concern, I should add). Now you come across as very tolerant. It's a change I applaud. But what led to it?


A magical night spent sharing a bed with Tricky in the Crowne Plaza on Wollaton St. (Yes, that actually happened.)

I don't believe I was ever homophobic. It's certainly true that my political views have changed over the years and I would agree for the better, but I suspect you might be making the assumption that my political and social views are or were connected and thus changed similarly. Given I used to go clubbing at Vague in Leeds in my early twenties and before Talkback was a thing (at least in my consciousness), it would be hard to reconcile any homophobic views.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on April 09, 2014, 09:09:55 pm
God created Adam and Eve, he didn't create Adam and Steve. I'm something of a homosceptic...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 09, 2014, 09:13:13 pm
Does anyone ever think their own political views have changed for the worse?

"I used to be quite sound but now I'm an utter c*nt", sort of thing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mappo on April 09, 2014, 09:13:47 pm
A jolly good bumming can be very liberating.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 09, 2014, 09:20:06 pm

A magical night spent sharing a bed with Tricky in the Crowne Plaza on Wollaton St. (Yes, that actually happened.)

I don't believe I was ever homophobic. It's certainly true that my political views have changed over the years and I would agree for the better, but I suspect you might be making the assumption that my political and social views are or were connected and thus changed similarly. Given I used to go clubbing at Vague in Leeds in my early twenties and before Talkback was a thing (at least in my consciousness), it would be hard to reconcile any homophobic views.


You used to post quite homophobic stuff on here - occasionally - which is why I formed that view. But like I say,  I'm not trying to start a fight about intolerance when you're not intolerant.

Although you are pretty intolerant about Billy Davies. I don't know if we can get past that.

Oh, alright. We can.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 09, 2014, 09:49:35 pm

God created Adam and Eve, he didn't create Adam and Steve. I'm something of a homosceptic...


god is a made-up beard sky fairy who didn't create owt except for some suspiciously wealthy and oppressive cults. i'm something of a fairy sceptic.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 09, 2014, 09:50:34 pm
He is made of spaghetti.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 09, 2014, 09:53:54 pm

He is made of spaghetti.


as a lifetime follower of spaghetti, i am offended at your likening of my foodstuff to an imaginary tw@t.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on April 09, 2014, 09:54:24 pm

god is a made-up beard sky fairy who didn't create owt except for some suspiciously wealthy and oppressive cults. i'm something of a fairy sceptic.


Sarcasm is sometimes tricky to pick up in the written word, but you have seen Partridge, right?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 09, 2014, 10:00:29 pm

Sarcasm is sometimes tricky to pick up in the written word, but you have seen Partridge, right?


i THOUGHT it sounded familiar. i only bloody rewatched it all last month n'all. cuh.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on April 09, 2014, 10:03:41 pm
looks like pooves have a long way to go to convince everybody.

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/content/bristol-post-editor-baffled-fact-front-page-gay-kiss-sales-turn-readers
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 09, 2014, 10:10:39 pm
Isn't "poofs" the plural of "poof"?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on April 09, 2014, 10:34:49 pm

i THOUGHT it sounded familiar. i only bloody rewatched it all last month n'all. cuh.


Have you watched Alpha Papa yet? I've heard mixed reviews.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 09, 2014, 10:36:10 pm
Watched it on Saturday on the train home after the game. Decent without being amazing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 09, 2014, 10:54:07 pm

Isn't "poofs" the plural of "poof"?


No. They are like rooves, not roofs.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 09, 2014, 10:57:24 pm

Have you watched Alpha Papa yet? I've heard mixed reviews.


not yet. the person i know who likes it the most is an utter c*nt.. but i'll give it a bash eventually.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: istklaus on April 09, 2014, 11:12:07 pm
just spent the evening watching the Champions League games in Germany, torn between wanting an English team to win and Man Ure to to lose. Struck mainly by two points:
the reporters they have in Spain are much more to more to my taste than our Natalie, and that Franz Beceknbauer speaks sense ala BC "in my time we went straight back to training today they go to the golf coursee"
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 09, 2014, 11:43:33 pm

torn between wanting an English team to win and Man Ure to to lose.


i don't understand this. if they're scum on saturday, they're still scum on wednesday.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 10, 2014, 10:12:16 am

God created Adam and Eve, he didn't create Adam and Steve. I'm something of a homosceptic...


Reminds me of when I called Guru a gaytheist. He replied that he saw himself as more fagnostic.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on April 10, 2014, 10:38:40 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26960629

This quote caught my eye:

Daryl Cannon said: "Racism and homophobia are on the same level."

Well ... er ... is it really? I mean, if you live in an environment where racism is tolerated or even encouraged and you happen to be of the wrong race, you can suffer terrible discrimination from the moment you are born. Unless I'm being monumentally thick, I can't see the same applying to homophobia


Really?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/gay-attacks-russia-rise-report-article-1.1601896
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 10, 2014, 11:12:40 am

Have you watched Alpha Papa yet? I've heard mixed reviews.


If you don't worry too much about the plot or the original Partridge character it's entertaining enough. Well worth seeing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on April 10, 2014, 11:44:21 am

Really?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/gay-attacks-russia-rise-report-article-1.1601896


If Russia had a similar stance against non-whites, would the winter olympics have taken place? Surely no right-thinking nation would send its athletes to compete in a country where non-whites are not welcome. Perhaps the rest of the world needs to catch up when dealing with discrimination.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on April 10, 2014, 11:48:31 am

If Russia had a similar stance against non-whites, would the winter olympics have taken place? Surely no right-thinking nation would send its athletes to compete in a country where non-whites are not welcome. Perhaps the rest of the world needs to catch up when dealing with discrimination.


Tell um, countries love being told that they are racist and homophobic. Also suggest the growing religon of Jedi to them as their current belife system is clearly bobbins.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 10, 2014, 04:28:40 pm

If Russia had a similar stance against non-whites, would the winter olympics have taken place? Surely no right-thinking nation would send its athletes to compete in a country where non-whites are not welcome. Perhaps the rest of the world needs to catch up when dealing with discrimination.


it does. although we 'western' nations tend to be overly judgemental about such things.. forgetting just how long it took us to get certain prejudices out of mainstream thinking. witness the outcry whenever there's racist abuse at eastern european football grounds. we had openly racist chants, as a matter of routine, up to the 80's.. decades after widespread immigration into the uk from south asia and the carribbean... and we still have plenty of prejudice hanging around.. yet we expect bulgarians to catch up to our position overnight. rightly or wrongly, these things take time. we can help other nations learn from our experiences, but a bit more humuility when doing so wouldn't go amiss.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 11, 2014, 12:55:16 pm
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2088774.html?rss=2088774+UEFA+statement+on+integrity+of+competitions&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Does this mean that according to UEFA clubs can't have a 'no play' clause in player loan agreements?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on April 11, 2014, 12:58:45 pm
I thought they were just saying that Chelsea can't charge Madrid for Courtois to play against them
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on April 11, 2014, 02:26:59 pm
Despite being a bunch of caaarnts, this is an interesting behind-the-scenes view of Leicester with the newly single Natalie

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26958475

I presume most clubs do a degree of this stuff, but its interesting nonetheless
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on April 11, 2014, 04:13:27 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2602519/EXCLUSIVE-Police-Leeds-theft-probe-new-owner-Cellino-calls-cops-secret-spy-cameras-Elland-Road-boardroom-toilets.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on April 13, 2014, 06:40:07 pm
Really good to see Liverpool win today. Hope they clinch the title in memory of the 96. Disgusting to think that other sides might be trying to win it instead of them. Hopefully the FA will steak in a stop this, think of the families
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 14, 2014, 03:24:14 pm


Don't worry they will fcuk it up.  Maureen will see to that..  If not, then this will be the worse season ever (apart from the Megson years of course).



Chicago: Hoping for a little light in the world.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on April 14, 2014, 03:44:00 pm


Don't worry they will fcuk it up.  Maureen will see to that..  If not, then this will be the worse season ever (apart from the Megson years of course).



Chicago: Hoping for a little light in the world.


Yep, Mourinho is the only hope. Clattenburg certainly wasn't going to help by sending off Suarez or giving a penalty against the f*ckers.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on April 14, 2014, 03:49:17 pm

Clattenburg certainly wasn't going to help by sending off Suarez


Didn't have the balls did he?  Shouldn't be reffing big games.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on April 14, 2014, 04:06:36 pm

Clattenburg certainly wasn't going to help by sending off Suarez or giving a penalty against the f*ckers.


Racists looking out for each other
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on April 14, 2014, 04:50:30 pm
The commentators said how good he was. In terms of not giving anything to Man City he was great.

I always thought I hated Man Utd but it's nothing for my re energised hate of Liverpool.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on April 14, 2014, 04:54:58 pm

I always thought I hated Man Utd but it's nothing for my re energised hate of Liverpool.


This.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 15, 2014, 12:44:45 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/10766475/Manchester-City-to-be-made-to-pay-a-high-price-for-spending-spree-under-Uefa-Financial-Fair-Play-rules.html


Erm, that will be us then. If the League decides to start taking an interest.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 15, 2014, 01:58:49 am
I wonder how long it will be before people finally get their head round UEFA's FFP rules having absolutely nothing to do with the Football League's FFP rules. I'm guessing about the same amount of time it will take people to finally get their head round the fact that the Premiership hasn't existed for a number of years.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 15, 2014, 07:14:00 am
When did that happen?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on April 15, 2014, 06:25:30 pm
Bit of training ground horseplay...

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Port-Vale-Doug-Loft-s-horrific-injuries-pictured/story-20956218-detail/story.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 15, 2014, 07:41:21 pm

When did that happen?


When did what happen?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 15, 2014, 08:56:45 pm
That.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 15, 2014, 09:17:39 pm

That.


If you're talking about the whole Financial Fair Play thing, then you might wish to do some reading up on the different versions operated by the different leagues and bodies, the different requirements mandated by each and the different penalties than can be levied by each.

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php

If you're not, then I've absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 15, 2014, 10:05:52 pm
I think Mr Poo is waggishly referring to your comment about the Premiership not existing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 15, 2014, 10:09:57 pm

I think Mr Poo is waggishly referring to your comment about the Premiership not existing.


Oh, it absolutely exists. I believe your Tigers won it last year.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 15, 2014, 10:14:58 pm
Strictly speaking Northampton won the Premiership. Tigers won the stupid play offs that the top 4 have to endure after the league has finished.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 15, 2014, 10:32:21 pm
SO WHAT IS THE PREMERHsh!t AND WHO WON IT LAST TIME???!!!!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 15, 2014, 11:13:00 pm
In Glasgow for work so went to watch Rangers tonight. They won 3-0. I had 50p on two nil, and 50p on four nil. Awful first half, great second. Lee McCulloch is far too good for the level they're playing at.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on April 18, 2014, 06:31:07 pm
The Blackpool fans seem a bit pissed off but it's making good viewing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on April 18, 2014, 08:09:05 pm

In Glasgow for work so went to watch Rangers tonight. They won 3-0. I had 50p on two nil, and 50p on four nil.


Did you save a penny to spend on a Rangers shirt, though? Bonus points if you did and it was occupied.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 19, 2014, 10:58:13 pm
At first I thought "please don't be us", (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/19/police-called-drug-scandal-major-club) but then I remembered that we don't have any club officials.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on April 19, 2014, 11:04:28 pm

At first I thought "please don't be us", (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/19/police-called-drug-scandal-major-club) but then I remembered that we don't have any club officials.


I've already seen one mention of it being us. Also written by someone who is close to some people in and around the club.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on April 19, 2014, 11:04:50 pm
Was going to make a quip about idiots getting caught snorting class A's in public but, for various reasons, decided against it.........
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 19, 2014, 11:18:28 pm
f*cking skylights. The work of the devil.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: smeds on April 20, 2014, 01:31:01 am
Can't be us....

The allegations go to the top of the club and involve at least one high-profile figure with a considerable reputation within the sport.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on April 20, 2014, 01:34:59 am

Can't be us....

The allegations go to the top of the club and involve at least one high-profile figure with a considerable reputation within the sport.


Got to be 'arry. Allegedly.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on April 20, 2014, 02:47:03 am
Villa sacked their assistants last week remember.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on April 20, 2014, 10:22:12 am

Villa sacked their assistants last week remember.


Culverhouse and Karsa... High profile? Big reputations? The descriptions don't fit, although that might be dodgy writing I suppose.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on April 20, 2014, 10:34:57 am

Villa sacked their assistants last week remember.


Wasn't that for bullying?

I think Daniel Taylor is the north-west correspondent, so if it's not us, most likely a team from that neck of the words.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 20, 2014, 11:46:34 am
You can imagine it being Newcastle.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 20, 2014, 11:52:06 am

Wasn't that for bullying?

I think Daniel Taylor is the north-west correspondent, so if it's not us, most likely a team from that neck of the words.


he's chief football writer, so it could be anyone.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 20, 2014, 12:30:02 pm
Please let it be Liverpool.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on April 20, 2014, 02:27:19 pm

Please let it be Liverpool.


Surely deserves a points deduction.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on April 20, 2014, 02:31:56 pm

Wasn't that for bullying?


Google has one paper claiming bullying, others saying reason unknown, investigation ongoing.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on April 21, 2014, 09:10:31 am
This must have been that class and fair play that Brendan was on about...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/375335/He-has-risen-WATCH-Liverpool-s-Luis-Suarez-s-MIRACULOUS-Easter-resurrection
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on April 21, 2014, 11:00:30 pm

This must have been that class and fair play that Brendan was on about...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/375335/He-has-risen-WATCH-Liverpool-s-Luis-Suarez-s-MIRACULOUS-Easter-resurrection


that is brilliant
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on April 22, 2014, 08:10:11 pm
Reading 1 up, assist from Mc'Cleary.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 22, 2014, 08:15:05 pm
2-0
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on April 22, 2014, 08:46:06 pm
This Chelsea game is w@nk.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on April 22, 2014, 08:53:14 pm

Reading 1 up, assist from Mc'Cleary.


I would suspect you of being the BBC text commentary bot, but you didn't mention which of the six goal areas the shot thing went towards and subsequently into. Perhaps you are the older BBC bot that knows that this doesn't matter?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on April 22, 2014, 11:06:49 pm
A win and a draw by Reading might be enough to finish above us as they have a +5 superior GD. Would like to go into the last day with a least a shot. Don't mind another season in the Championship even so if it means building a team on a nucleas of promising young players plus the missing men and some Psycho signings.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 25, 2014, 09:49:58 am
Just noticed that Bristol City are now in the top half of their division. Seem to recall I was about the only person on here who thought Cotterill was a decent appointment for them. Doubt they regret binning O'Driscoll now. (Not that that says anything about the wisdom of Fawaz sacking him.)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 25, 2014, 09:56:13 am
John Pelling is now their chief executive.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 25, 2014, 09:57:43 am

John Pelling is now their chief executive.


They really do love to recruit from our reject bin, don't they?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 25, 2014, 02:30:58 pm

Just noticed that Bristol City are now in the top half of their division. Seem to recall I was about the only person on here who thought Cotterill was a decent appointment for them. Doubt they regret binning O'Driscoll now. (Not that that says anything about the wisdom of Fawaz sacking him.)


I didn't dislike Cotterill as much as everyone else seemed to.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 25, 2014, 02:31:46 pm
He was a bit funny-looking, wasn't he?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on April 25, 2014, 02:38:54 pm

He was a bit funny-looking, wasn't he?


Does the LMA website have a section on how far apart his eyes are?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on April 25, 2014, 02:48:49 pm

He was a bit funny-looking, wasn't he?


I think the country-bumpkin accent was more of a problem, though presumably less so in brizzel.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 25, 2014, 03:00:40 pm
There's a bit in the second "secret footballer" book, which, if TSF is Dave Kitson (and it is) is clearly about Steve Cotterill.

DK is not a fan.

The manager in question wanted to be mates with the players, pissed off TSF by referring to his (previously ill, then well) child in a "motivational" half time team talk. Manager was later about to be sacked when some club (I think the term was knowing nothing about business or football) paid six figures to poach him, manager was in tears when he told the team he was leaving, then later in the season got stuffed by TSF's team and the manager in question was in the tunnel waiting for TSF to have a fight and later threatened to kill him.

It did not make me think highly of Kitson or Cotterill.

(You want more? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/15369823 )
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on April 25, 2014, 03:58:18 pm
The match in question would have been Forest losing 3-0 at Fratton Park?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 25, 2014, 08:01:13 pm
Come on Yeovil! Even if that useless lump wot we loaned to you is refusing to play for you.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: garf on April 25, 2014, 09:36:12 pm

Come on Yeovil! Even if that useless lump wot we loaned to you is refusing to play for you.


Bugger.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 25, 2014, 09:39:10 pm
Eh, tonight's game doesn't really matter. If we win our last two games it's an academic result, if we fail to win one of them we'd have been screwed even if Brighton lose to Yeovil.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 25, 2014, 09:49:53 pm
f*cking wurzels.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 25, 2014, 10:16:07 pm
Bournemouth's hope is gone now. I fully* expect them to give up tomorrow and let us win.

* not at all.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 25, 2014, 10:55:37 pm
Ideal result, for me. Too soon for Bournemouth to be in relaxed no pressure mode, they'll still be in disappointment mode. Then it comes down to having to beat Brighton and hoping that Reading lose to a Burnley team that's playing to prove they're good enough for the Premier League.

Obviously we'll f*ck it up because we're Forest and that's what we do, but it's feasible.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on April 26, 2014, 09:29:00 am

Ideal result, for me. Too soon for Bournemouth to be in relaxed no pressure mode, they'll still be in disappointment mode. Then it comes down to having to beat Brighton and hoping that Reading lose to a Burnley team that's playing to prove they're good enough for the Premier League.

Obviously we'll f*ck it up because we're Forest and that's what we do, but it's feasible.


Yes, the football equation we need the answer to is (Are Burnley with nothing to play for greater than Bournmouth with nothing to play for?) X (Can we win four times in a row?)=n.

I expect n=no, but I am not a mathematician, as you may have noticed.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 26, 2014, 09:52:57 am
Good effort, though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on April 26, 2014, 11:29:51 am
didn't guru used to be our resident equation generator, or have I made that up?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on April 26, 2014, 11:55:05 am

didn't guru used to be our resident equation generator, or have I made that up?


He was.

Performance = quality x motivation / tension / fitness

Result = TeamA( quality x motivation / tension / fitness ) x (luck / refereeing) :  TeamB( quality x motivation / tension / fitness ) x (luck / refereeing)

I have no idea how to quantify the factors.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 26, 2014, 11:58:14 am
Why divided by fitness, rather than multiplied by?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on April 26, 2014, 12:14:53 pm

Why divided by fitness, rather than multiplied by?


Depends purely how you quantify it. Either is fine. you can just multiply anything.

Ergo it's completely meaningless.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mike B. on April 26, 2014, 12:37:22 pm
+/- Mackie.

Football's cosmological constant? Observations don't seem to agree with regard to its value.

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on April 26, 2014, 01:23:27 pm
Everton are doing well for Southampton this afternoon.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 26, 2014, 01:26:24 pm
Burnley beating Ipswich 1-0
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 26, 2014, 02:06:59 pm
... and Ipswich are out of the running for the play-offs.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on April 26, 2014, 04:55:11 pm
They are not the only ones.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on April 27, 2014, 02:37:08 pm
29 minutes into Chelsea Liverpool and Chelsea finally got posession. Not looking good.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on April 27, 2014, 03:25:10 pm
If Chelsea hold on here, we'll be having another minute's silence.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 27, 2014, 03:27:15 pm
Chelsea really are grim to watch aren't they? Not saying this isn't lots of fun but for what they've spent you'd like to see some intent.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on April 27, 2014, 03:37:09 pm
Not wanting to count my chickens, but Morinho's (sp?) teams are good at the backs to the wall stuff. George Graham's Arsenal. Dire, yes.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 27, 2014, 03:50:46 pm
I'm way more nervous watching this game than I was yesterday.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on April 27, 2014, 03:58:30 pm
f*cking wonderful.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 27, 2014, 03:59:59 pm
You beautiful f*cking man Jose.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on April 27, 2014, 04:00:10 pm
f*ck you Liverpool, f*ck you! Get the f*ck in.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on April 27, 2014, 04:03:06 pm
And right on cue, Scouser crying on the telly.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on April 27, 2014, 04:17:08 pm
4th minute, Man City go 1 up. Please let this happen.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Todd on April 27, 2014, 04:22:13 pm
Reports of hubcaps being thrown out of prams all over Merseyside when that second goal went in.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on April 27, 2014, 05:26:53 pm
I had a pound on a Chelsea win. Get in.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chiv on April 27, 2014, 06:26:40 pm
I love watching Mourinho's sides when they put in one of those defensive masterclasses. To think they've beaten Liverpool and Manchester City home and away, yet are probably still third favourites to win the title. It's a shame because there's something perversely brilliant about the way he sets them up in these away matches. There are managers out there who play ugly by the percentages, like Allardyce or the Billies, but Mourinho has it down to a science, or an art, if you prefer. There are few things I enjoy more than matches like the one today, or even the one at Atletico in the week. They're anxious. Mourinho must have nerves of steel not only to thrive in atmospheres like that, but to want to be in the midst of atmospheres like that on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 27, 2014, 08:44:58 pm
Didn't see it, but delighted Liverpool lost. However whenever I have seen Chelsea they have been boring (and their manager boorish).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 27, 2014, 08:49:53 pm

I love watching Mourinho's sides when they put in one of those defensive masterclasses. To think they've beaten Liverpool and Manchester City home and away, yet are probably still third favourites to win the title. It's a shame because there's something perversely brilliant about the way he sets them up in these away matches. There are managers out there who play ugly by the percentages, like Allardyce or the Billies, but Mourinho has it down to a science, or an art, if you prefer. There are few things I enjoy more than matches like the one today, or even the one at Atletico in the week. They're anxious. Mourinho must have nerves of steel not only to thrive in atmospheres like that, but to want to be in the midst of atmospheres like that on a regular basis.


Not only that, but he did it without Terry, Ramires, Cech, Hazard, Oscar and Luiz. It was a mighty impressive performance and I don't mind admitting I jumped up and yelled with joy when the second goal went in.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on April 27, 2014, 08:50:18 pm

Didn't see it, but delighted Liverpool lost. However whenever I have seen Chelsea they have been boring (and their manager boorish).


It's fair to say that football was the loser, whichever side won.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on April 27, 2014, 09:59:09 pm

Not only that, but he did it without Terry, Ramires, Cech, Hazard, Oscar and Luiz. It was a mighty impressive performance and I don't mind admitting I jumped up and yelled with joy when the second goal went in.


It was a dismal, lumpen, depressing performance. All the money in the world, the players they have and they resort to that sh!t.
Chelsea are a massive bunch of c*nts.

Liverpool play some amazing, dynamic football. They play the kind of football that deserves to win any Premier League.

But I also cheered when the second goal went in.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on April 27, 2014, 10:05:22 pm


Liverpool play some amazing, dynamic football. They play the kind of football that deserves to win any Premier League.



Can someone ban this cnut?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Guru on April 27, 2014, 11:35:23 pm

It was a dismal, lumpen, depressing performance. All the money in the world, the players they have and they resort to that sh!t.
Chelsea are a massive bunch of c*nts.

Liverpool play some amazing, dynamic football. They play the kind of football that deserves to win any Premier League.

But I also cheered when the second goal went in.


I quite like our Brendan. I even like some of the Liverpool players. But they don't "deserve" to win the Premier League primarily because they are Liverpool. I honestly think I would rather d*rby won it.

Exhilarating though their style can be, it can be naive and often found out by sides able to take the life out of the game and then counterattack. It's why Italy have been so successful internationally. The list of teams thinking they could attack their way to success is endless.... Newcastle under Keegan or Spurs under Ardiles. Or, internationally, the Dutch Sides over the last 40 years (the last world cup aside), Spain and Portugal in the 90's, jay jays Argentina in the early 00's.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Guru on April 27, 2014, 11:46:24 pm

didn't guru used to be our resident equation generator, or have I made that up?


Sorry, missed this. Tricky's attempt was...errr...valiant.

I would of course have tried to come up with a formula if it was still relevant. I do miss those formulae. To suit our current circumstances, I might go for "biggest basket case of a club" using Birmingham, Leeds and us to generate the hypotheses.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 27, 2014, 11:47:01 pm

I quite like our Brendan. I even like some of the Liverpool players. But they don't "deserve" to win the Premier League primarily because they are Liverpool. I honestly think I would rather d*rby won it.


I wildly disagree with your first and second statements (I honestly think they have one of the most uniformly unpleasant squads I've ever seen, on and off the pitch), but I agree with the rest of it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Guru on April 28, 2014, 12:00:36 am

I wildly disagree with your first and second statements (I honestly think they have one of the most uniformly unpleasant squads I've ever seen, on and off the pitch), but I agree with the rest of it.


Now you mention it, there is plenty of off field trouble in the squad. Although I stand by being supportive of Brendan Rogers, I give it one more season before he becomes fully scoused up and intolerable. The bit thats bugging me is the "we have spent no money" bit he trots out. I think they spent £70m on Suarez, Sturridge, Henderson and Allen alone.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on April 28, 2014, 12:13:39 am


Thank you Maureen!  Knew he would knock those scouse cnuts off their perch.  It's up to Manc City to balls it up now and I actually hope they don't because I don't hate them.  I wish that I could but I don't.  I in fact like their dynamic style and if the Arse don't win it then I would rather Citeh.


Liverpool on the other hand can go fcuk themselves.  I laughed heartily when Steven Geriatric fell over and gifted the goal to BA.  Brilliant!


I actually didn't think the game was tedious at all.  My hatred for all things scouse will always have me hoping that they lose so therefore I think that Chelski just did the job on them.  Yes Chelski are annoying, but Maureen is still brilliant.  Yes he's an ungrateful cnut, but when we come up the Prem next year Psycho is going to need an assistant manager and I am sure Jose will probably have fallen out with the mad Russian who isn't Putin by then.  It's perfectly set up for a phoenix from the ashes rise for the Mighty Trees.


Chicago: Getting rather carried away.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 28, 2014, 12:15:52 am

Now you mention it, there is plenty of off field trouble in the squad. Although I stand by being supportive of Brendan Rogers, I give it one more season before he becomes fully scoused up and intolerable.


This is Brendan Rodgers' house:

(http://www.byfarthegreatestteam.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Brendan-Rodgers-picture.jpg)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Guru on April 28, 2014, 12:19:41 am

This is Brendan Rodgers' house:

(http://www.byfarthegreatestteam.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Brendan-Rodgers-picture.jpg)


Ok, you win.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on April 28, 2014, 01:24:25 am
He's got very similar doors to me. I have better pictures though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 28, 2014, 03:26:36 am
I'm really hoping you have pictures of you with bleached blond hair on your walls.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on April 28, 2014, 07:49:50 am
they don't "deserve" to win the Premier League primarily because they are Liverpool.


I would hope this was so self-evident that it didn't need saying.

Gerrard providing the moment that could rob them of their 25 year wait would be the highlight of the season, for me.

I think it is possible to separate the way they play football, which can be breathtaking, from their existential nature of being Liverpool, however, especially if they don't win anything.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Ingo on April 28, 2014, 08:08:11 am

I'm really hoping you have pictures of you with bleached blond hair on your walls.


If he hasn't I think you now know what to get him for Christmas.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on April 28, 2014, 04:29:05 pm
Kevin Phillips has finally realised he's never going to get to play for Forest and has therefore retired (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/04/28/former-west-brom-and-aston-villa-striker-kevin-phillips-announces-retirement/).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 28, 2014, 04:56:21 pm
I know it's a West Midlands paper, but I wouldn't really think of Kevin Phillips as being "ex West Brom and Aston Villa". In my mind Stevenage and Sunderland are the parts of his career that stand out.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on April 28, 2014, 05:55:25 pm

I know it's a West Midlands paper, but I wouldn't really think of Kevin Phillips as being "ex West Brom and Aston Villa". In my mind Stevenage and Sunderland are the parts of his career that stand out.


Stevenage?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 28, 2014, 06:01:53 pm

Stevenage?


Stevenage, Watford, all nondescript dumps in Hertfordshire. Easy to mix them up.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on April 28, 2014, 06:15:30 pm

He's got very similar doors to me. I have better pictures though.

He also has a mistress.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2556762/Liverpool-boss-Brendan-Rodgers-left-wife.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jeff_K on April 28, 2014, 09:05:45 pm

I know it's a West Midlands paper, but I wouldn't really think of Kevin Phillips as being "ex West Brom and Aston Villa". In my mind Stevenage and Sunderland are the parts of his career that stand out.

Really? So if it was the Evening Post reporting on, say Kevin Campbell, you would expect to see him referred to as "ex Arsenal and Everton"?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on April 28, 2014, 09:23:40 pm

Really? So if it was the Evening Post reporting on, say Kevin Campbell, you would expect to see him referred to as "ex Arsenal and Everton"?


I did stipulate that I understand it's a WM paper. It's right there in the post you quoted and everything. I was simply observing that those aren't the clubs that come to mind when I think of Kevin Phillips.

Also, he actually played almost the same number of games for Birmingham as he did West Brom and considerably more than for Villa.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on April 28, 2014, 09:25:33 pm
I'd completely forgotten that he played for Villa at all.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Guru on April 28, 2014, 10:59:46 pm


I think it is possible to separate the way they play football, which can be breathtaking, from their existential nature of being Liverpool, however, especially if they don't win anything.


Interesting question. Can you genuinely admire the football played by a side whose players/manager/supporters you detest? I can't think of an example where I can ignore my hatred and appreciate the brilliance.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on April 28, 2014, 11:24:04 pm

Interesting question. Can you genuinely admire the football played by a side whose players/manager/supporters you detest? I can't think of an example where I can ignore my hatred and appreciate the brilliance.


i almost appreciated some of fergie's manyoo sides, particularly when ronaldo was in his pomp. ultimately, i could never enjoy it... because, y'know, evil.. but i think they played a brand of fast, direct and exhilarating football that really was fantastic to watch.

i'm happier now that ronaldo is elsewhere and united are a bit rubbish.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on April 29, 2014, 06:29:05 am

Interesting question. Can you genuinely admire the football played by a side whose players/manager/supporters you detest? I can't think of an example where I can ignore my hatred and appreciate the brilliance.


For a while there I found myself detesting the Forest manager and his cult following among our fans... still enjoyed the West Ham game though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on April 29, 2014, 12:12:02 pm

He also has a mistress.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2556762/Liverpool-boss-Brendan-Rodgers-left-wife.html


Something amused me about him calling his kid 'Anton'.

Perhaps he was a big 'Fresh Fields' fan growing up
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on April 29, 2014, 01:07:27 pm

Interesting question. Can you genuinely admire the football played by a side whose players/manager/supporters you detest? I can't think of an example where I can ignore my hatred and appreciate the brilliance.


I think there's a difference between 'recognise' and 'enjoy'. Liverpool against Man City were brilliant in that first 30 minutes or so. They are still a bunch of caaaants.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on April 29, 2014, 08:30:28 pm
Since winning the league with about a million games to go Bayern Munich have been largely w@nk.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Muswell on April 29, 2014, 09:14:08 pm

Stevenage, Watford, all nondescript dumps in Hertfordshire. Easy to mix them up.


he even started at Baldock which further supports your point.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on April 30, 2014, 02:54:51 pm
I know that part of the world well as I used to visit both GSK and Cobham in Stevenage, used to drop ex (ex, ex) Mrs. Seán to Fanham's Hall in Ware occasionally  for her job and had an outsourced CAD designer on one of my old projects based in Hoddeston.

I quite like Baldock services, though..
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on April 30, 2014, 06:44:01 pm

I know that part of the world well as I used to visit both GSK and Cobham in Stevenage, used to drop ex (ex, ex) Mrs. Seán to Fanham's Hall in Ware occasionally  for her job and had an outsourced CAD designer on one of my old projects based in Hoddeston.

I quite like Baldock services, though..


I used to live and work in Royston. Dark days.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on April 30, 2014, 07:07:05 pm

I used to live and work in Royston. Dark days.


I occasionally turned up at the Royston Crow but pretty sure I didn't bother doing any work. I mainly remember being told to go to the pub and bump up my expenses
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on April 30, 2014, 07:08:47 pm
I forgot about that.
I left Royston about 10 years ago, which suggests I have spent way too much of my life fcuking about on this board.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Deano on May 01, 2014, 01:24:35 pm

I know that part of the world well as I used to visit both GSK and Cobham in Stevenage, used to drop ex (ex, ex) Mrs. Seán to Fanham's Hall in Ware occasionally  for her job and had an outsourced CAD designer on one of my old projects based in Hoddeston.

I quite like Baldock services, though..


I lived and worked in Stevenage for a few months.  Remember making a phone call to a local firm who asked where I lived.  I didn't hear her properly and said "Where?".  She replied "Ware".  Then the comedy continued, as you can imagine.

I also went to Royston to watch their football team play Spalding United.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 01, 2014, 07:46:40 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-clubs-record-wages?CMP=twt_gu

Incredible that QPR's wage bill for last season was 75 million, compared to Athletico Madrid' s wage bill of 54 million.

Bonkers.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 02, 2014, 10:15:14 am
Madness.

I did like the user name "Same Sex Farage" from the comments below. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on May 02, 2014, 12:59:48 pm
Villa lost £52M last year just to be Villa. (of course after registering that it occurred that Fawaz has spent probably £60M, albeit over 2 years, on being Forest)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on May 03, 2014, 01:31:07 pm
Brum heading for Div3!  Only seems yesterday they were in the PL.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 03, 2014, 03:08:06 pm
FFS Lurker. You had to curse it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: lurker7 on May 03, 2014, 05:48:44 pm
Soz Jim.  Have a dance to commisserate.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 03, 2014, 10:17:06 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/may/03/gus-poyet-sunderland-points-ji-dong-won-ineligible
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 03, 2014, 10:37:37 pm
The question for me is whether he would have been able to play in those games without any problem had the right paperwork been filed, or whether he would have been prevented from playing in them even if the paperwork had been done correctly. There doesn't seem to be any suggestion that it's anything other than an administrative error, and one which Sunderland immediately reported upon discovering it, so as long as the PL can reasonably say that it didn't affect the outcome of anything I don't have an issue with the fine alone.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on May 03, 2014, 11:02:35 pm

The question for me is whether he would have been able to play in those games without any problem had the right paperwork been filed, or whether he would have been prevented from playing in them even if the paperwork had been done correctly. There doesn't seem to be any suggestion that it's anything other than an administrative error, and one which Sunderland immediately reported upon discovering it, so as long as the PL can reasonably say that it didn't affect the outcome of anything I don't have an issue with the fine alone.


But some of the points deductions lower down the pyramid are for similar administrative errors - it's the double standard which is the issue, isn't it? I'm not sure why there isn't a set punishment.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 04, 2014, 11:18:59 am
What SWT said.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: theintelligent1 on May 04, 2014, 12:30:47 pm
good to see notts escape relegation in the end........
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 04, 2014, 12:56:34 pm

good to see notts escape relegation in the end........


Not for me. It was another annoyance of yesterday. I wanted them down so I had an easy Newport County away day to get to next season
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 05, 2014, 09:41:35 pm
COME ON, PALACE!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on May 05, 2014, 09:46:43 pm

COME ON, PALACE!


Equaliser!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 05, 2014, 09:48:42 pm
GET IN! 3 Scouse defender fantasy points be damned!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 05, 2014, 09:53:36 pm
Just waiting for the jammy 95th minute winner...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on May 05, 2014, 09:54:16 pm
Get the f*ck in there.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 05, 2014, 09:55:44 pm
Am holding a minute's laughing in the office.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on May 05, 2014, 10:09:37 pm



HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!


FCUK OFF YOU SCOUSE CNUTS!!!!!!!



Chicago: Come on Citeh!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 06, 2014, 07:39:38 am
http://youtu.be/YRnZPEOdD2o
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RC on May 06, 2014, 09:58:39 am
I'm not laughing and glaoting just yet - but I really, really want to.

I'll allow myself a bit of a titter tomorrow night if Citeh win though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 06, 2014, 01:20:41 pm
It's still conceivable that City could lose to West Ham or Villa, so I absolutely refuse to start getting excited about it until everything's wrapped up.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 06, 2014, 02:53:17 pm
Exactly, and thats exactly when Rodgers has in mind as he 'concedes the title'.

Plenty of time to party when/if they don't win, don't need to rush the start of it
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 06, 2014, 03:02:42 pm
I'll worry about tomorrow tomorrow and have my jam today, thanks very much.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: ned on May 06, 2014, 07:21:22 pm
Apparently, this was amusing Leicester lunkheads yesterday. Just told the tosspot who sent it me that Poundland must have had a sale on in the city.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on May 06, 2014, 07:43:39 pm
.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 06, 2014, 09:50:04 pm
Worst comeback ever. Do we think Leicester give a sh!t that we took four points from them this year? You can't deny them their glory. You just have to hold inside that they a c*nt's club.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on May 06, 2014, 11:17:41 pm

Worst comeback ever. Do we think Leicester give a sh!t that we took four points from them this year?


We stopped them amassing 107 points, which would have been the BEST, like, ever. Because of us, they only have the joint SECOND best total ever - and if that's not something to be proud of then I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 07, 2014, 10:47:13 am
I tend to just tell the Leicester fans who want to tell me how sh!t my club is to stop obsessing about Forest (because it is a true - secret, love) and focus on enjoying their five minutes in the sun.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on May 07, 2014, 11:33:20 am

Not for me. It was another annoyance of yesterday. I wanted them down so I had an easy Newport County away day to get to next season


+1. Word.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on May 07, 2014, 12:56:46 pm
Leicester are just absolute c*nts. They've spent over £100m getting up, but because they got rid of few last season (but still spent a few million), they think they've got promoted on a shoestring.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on May 07, 2014, 12:59:46 pm

Leicester are just absolute c*nts. They've spent over £100m getting up, but because they got rid of few last season (but still spent a few million), they think they've got promoted on a shoestring.


This.

And lest us forget  - they are the reason the whole 10 point deduction rule came in for clubs going into administration  the last time they went up.

The cheating foxf*cking c*nts.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on May 07, 2014, 01:15:07 pm
And the c*nts that live here are again trying to claim they are the sporting capital of Britain as they have the 21st best football team, their rugby team finished 3rd and some bloke won the f*cking snooker.

And don't get me started on that gappy bitch Sam Bailey.

I despair.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on May 07, 2014, 01:34:29 pm
YEAH!


(Who's Sam Bailey? Genuine question)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on May 07, 2014, 01:37:45 pm
Just remind them about their cricket team (as I happen to support them I know how sh!t they are).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 07, 2014, 01:39:06 pm
I never get that. How can you be a Forest fan, but support their cricket team?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 07, 2014, 01:39:38 pm
And the rugby season hasn't finished yet. I believe Tigers can still finish 4th.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 07, 2014, 01:39:57 pm

YEAH!


(Who's Sam Bailey? Genuine question)


X-Factor winner.

Oddly, 'The Voice' winner also came from Leicester
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on May 07, 2014, 01:45:00 pm
And the Eurovision burd is from Leicestershire
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on May 07, 2014, 01:46:55 pm

X-Factor winner.

Oddly, 'The Voice' winner also came from Leicester


Let's face it, if you came from Leicester, you'd be scrabbling around for reality TV show in the hope that might get lucky and win a way out of the place.

My dislike of Leicester has long surpassed d*rby, precisely because of the way they cheated with the whole admin "What debts?" scam.  d*rby (c*ntzalorrovem) at least pretended to cut their wages (how long did we bait them with all that Non-League Nigel stuff?); Leicester just ducked out of theirs so blatantly that even the League had to do something.

I hope they crash and burn in spectacular style.  I've also never liked Pearson.  No rational reason, but he manages Leicester so what more do I need?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on May 07, 2014, 01:49:36 pm
So - then entrants of sh!t 'singing' competitions capital of Britain, then?

They can have that. The c*nts.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on May 07, 2014, 02:12:14 pm


Look d*rby can fcuk right off but they are nowhere near as bad as the scouse cnuts of Liverpool, the tax cheats of Fester and Leeds and the utter horrid tw@ts of Wolves.  Birmingham can join the list too as every time I went there we were attacked by breeze block wielding psychopaths.   There is a lot out there to dislike, which should keep the average fan of a football club occupied for a while.  d*rby amuse me.  I don't hate them, but I certainly don't wish them any luck at all. 

So the playoffs will see Wigan going up at the expense of cheque book 'Arry and McClaren's brolly.   Brighton have a very good player in Alloa but they don't seem very good.  Although I would be rather amused if they knock off our neighbours down the A52.

Just in case anyone missed my veiled hatred of Liverpool; come on Citeh!


Chicago: Vindictive


Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on May 07, 2014, 03:57:28 pm
I just hate everything Leicester, I grew up in in the counties and still live in the counties. They really do spend more time hating forest than supporting their own team.

The only saving grace with their promotion is my gf's dad has bought her a season ticket for next season which gives me a free run at Forest games. I'll know by September whether this is a good thing or not.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on May 07, 2014, 04:04:15 pm
My father is a rabid fox shagger - they really are horribly triumphant

I also sat next to one on a course this morning, he was trying desperately to tone down his superiority, but failing. However it does transpire that he knows Andy Reid so not all bad!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dj bobbins on May 07, 2014, 04:07:48 pm
I'm surrounded by the f*ckers as well. One of them has convinced himself that Lukaku will be arriving very soon at Filbert Street.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on May 07, 2014, 04:12:14 pm
I presume he will, whenever Leicester play his next club.

The only worry is that the Thais in charge do seem to be hideously wealthy.....
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on May 07, 2014, 05:01:01 pm

I'm surrounded by the f*ckers as well. One of them has convinced himself that Lukaku will be arriving very soon at Filbert Street.


Isn't Filbert Street some sort of car park now?  Is Lukaku some kind of dog enthusiast along the lines of SVC?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 07, 2014, 05:16:52 pm

I've also never liked Pearson.  No rational reason, but he manages Leicester so what more do I need?


Him being from Nottingham just makes it worse
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: SWT on May 07, 2014, 05:35:20 pm

Brighton have a very good player in Alloa


What's he doing in Scotland?

I've missed something, haven't I?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on May 07, 2014, 07:02:26 pm

I presume he will, whenever Leicester play his next club.

The only worry is that the Thais in charge do seem to be hideously wealthy.....


I take comfort that I'm not alone out here.

I don't really get why they are so wealthy. They own a shop, hardly brings in the money of oil. But they do seem to be happy to splash the cash.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Andyp on May 07, 2014, 07:10:58 pm

I never get that. How can you be a Forest fan, but support their cricket team?


Born in Grantham (Lincs), brought up in Bottesford (Leics) so went to school in Melton where I was coached by Leics C.C. coaches. But Nottingham is much closer than Leicester and lets face it who wants to support the foxshaggers if they can help it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Rich B on May 08, 2014, 06:44:45 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27309365
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: dj bobbins on May 08, 2014, 10:35:55 am
Meanwhile in Leicester, big news..

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-City-fan-portrait-X-Factor-winner-Sam/story-21071495-detail/story.html

for those who've been to the walkers bowl, he's the fat fella with the drum..
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: karlmark on May 08, 2014, 10:45:58 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27309365


This is just great; cheers me up no end. A possibly-dodgy Italian takes over and all the vermin come scuttling from the wreck to grab their share. Before the whatstheirnames took us over weren't there lots of rumours flying about that Leeds were the club they were looking at?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 08, 2014, 10:58:44 am

This is just great; cheers me up no end. A possibly-dodgy Italian takes over and all the vermin come scuttling from the wreck to grab their share. Before the whatstheirnames took us over weren't there lots of rumours flying about that Leeds were the club they were looking at?


Are we currently devoid of winding up petitions?

I suppose they've only just done the early bird season ticket thing and, presumably, costs are lower during the summer, so bill paying is easier so it'll be a few months until our next one.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 08, 2014, 11:59:26 am
Winding up petitions don't really mean that much. It's just a case of someone pushing for their money. Anyone can lodge a winding up order.

The news with this one is the person coming-a-calling was formally involved with running the club.

But aside from that, theres nothing to see. We have had some winding up orders recently too, and will continue to get them I would think.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: karlmark on May 08, 2014, 12:03:20 pm

Winding up petitions don't really mean that much. It's just a case of someone pushing for their money. Anyone can lodge a winding up order.



Interestingly, or not, if you do an image search for winding up order, the overwhelming majority of results are football grounds. The City Ground doesn't make it on the first few scrolls, but Ridsdale does which is reassuring.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 08, 2014, 01:31:06 pm

Meanwhile in Leicester, big news..

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-City-fan-portrait-X-Factor-winner-Sam/story-21071495-detail/story.html

for those who've been to the walkers bowl, he's the fat fella with the drum..


The tattoo of a can of Special Brew is especially classy.

I just googled Sam Bailey. She looks like she's from Leicester.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on May 08, 2014, 01:42:57 pm

Meanwhile in Leicester, big news..

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-City-fan-portrait-X-Factor-winner-Sam/story-21071495-detail/story.html

for those who've been to the walkers bowl, he's the fat fella with the drum..


Sam Bailey is a fat fella with a drum?

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 08, 2014, 03:30:31 pm
f*ck you f*ck you f*ck you.

http://www.thefa.com/news/thefa/2014/may/fa-commission-report

Look behind the soundbites and it's a whole heap of f*cking over the lower leagues to make Premier League clubs even stronger.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 08, 2014, 03:31:56 pm
"Dyke set a target of increasing the current number of 66 English players playing regularly in the Premier League to 90 by 2022."

Ha! Sheesh. Talk about pathetic.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on May 08, 2014, 03:46:01 pm
Like everything else, it's all about keeping the status quo for the rich boys.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on May 08, 2014, 03:51:11 pm
Greg Dyke didn't just come up with this idea on his own, he consulted Danny Mills and Rio Ferdinand

Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 08, 2014, 03:53:00 pm

Greg Dyke didn't just come up with this idea on his own, he consulted Danny Mills and Rio Ferdinand


I did wonder who had interpreted Rio's input for the commission. Presumably it was Danny.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on May 08, 2014, 03:58:10 pm

Greg Dyke didn't just come up with this idea on his own, he consulted Danny Mills and Rio Ferdinand


Well that's ok then.  Great football minds have been put to use, must be a sound proposal.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 08, 2014, 05:12:24 pm

"Dyke set a target of increasing the current number of 66 English players playing regularly in the Premier League to 90 by 2022."

Ha! Sheesh. Talk about pathetic.


66 players....blimey....so thats an average of 3.3 players per club in the PL are English in nationality. And Dyke wants 8 (EIGHT) years to increase that average to....4.5

Some people need to reign in their ambition and stop living in la-la land.

What is he thinking?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 08, 2014, 05:14:41 pm
Scottish Independence would help, because presumably they would all become non-EU and we could send them back where they belong?

It's pathetic though.  Have a meaningful target that will actually help achieve what you want, or have the good grace to admit you can't really do anything and the game is up.  I see this pathetic target as an admission of the latter.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 08, 2014, 05:27:09 pm
I think I'm more worried about the implementation of Premier League B-Teams into the football league, and presumably because of the lack of loan opportunities that will help out lower league clubs, they are looking to implement special loan arrangements where a PL or Championship side can have a deal with a league1/2 side which allows them to loan up to 8 players to the smaller club (5 to play at any one time) but also be able to provide coaches, mentors, sports science people as well.

I suppose what it means is we will have big clubs with B Teams in the lower league, and small clubs who will effectively become a B-Team-Lite for the middling to big sized clubs who don't have outright B teams.

I am not sure this will be a good idea
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on May 08, 2014, 05:28:01 pm
Presumably the FA makes a few bob out of owning the TV rights to England internationals. If they really believe in nurturing home-grown talent, couldn't they give a cash prize to the club in each division that fields the most English players?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 08, 2014, 05:33:36 pm

66 players....blimey....so thats an average of 3.3 players per club in the PL are English in nationality. And Dyke wants 8 (EIGHT) years to increase that average to....4.5

Some people need to reign in their ambition and stop living in la-la land.

What is he thinking?


Probably setting low expectations so that he can justify a bonus when he meets them...!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 08, 2014, 05:47:21 pm

Presumably the FA makes a few bob out of owning the TV rights to England internationals. If they really believe in nurturing home-grown talent, couldn't they give a cash prize to the club in each division that fields the most English players?


Probably not. Would be discriminatory against other EU nationals, which isn't allowed.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
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Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on May 08, 2014, 07:20:48 pm
Hang on.

So - B teams can't progress to Championship level. Ok.

So presumably, in the event of B teams finishing in  an automatic spot in League 1, that promotion spot would go to the next placed non B team? Because that wouldn't cause carnage and finger pointing during run-ins if well placed B teams were playing a well placed for promotion team or ththat teams close rival for that spot...

Or someone is spared relegation? And the play offs sound complicated...a near mid table team could, technically, go up...

My head hurts...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 08, 2014, 07:29:07 pm
The Football League was not consulted on Danny Mills's great idea. It says.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 08, 2014, 07:30:46 pm

The Football League was not consulted on Danny Mills's great idea. It says.


So, without having read it, am I safe to conclude it's just a slapdash nonsensical PR exercise?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 08, 2014, 07:43:13 pm

So, without having read it, am I safe to conclude it's just a slapdash nonsensical PR exercise?


Essentially the Premier League is unhappy that having bought as much of the young talent as they can possibly get their hands on, some of it ends up back at lower league clubs in search of first team football. To counter this, they are proposing that they be allowed to operate their own second teams in the lower leagues which will prevent their young talent from leaving their clutches, and dressing it up as helping the development of the England team.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on May 08, 2014, 08:35:22 pm
jammy sheep shagging b@stards.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on May 08, 2014, 08:44:16 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-27333835 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-27333835)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on May 08, 2014, 09:56:17 pm
Strangely, the best era for non-foreigners (including Scotland, Wales, etc) in the top flight in England was probably between 1970 and 1980, a period in which the English football team was particularly abject.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 08, 2014, 10:23:40 pm
Steve off of this site shared this link elsewhere, but apparently not here.

So, read, and enjoy.

http://app.theanfieldwrap.com/issue/08/Page8-how_it_feels_to_be_small.html
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 08, 2014, 11:18:52 pm
I don't think my concern was just the B-Team aspect, but also the pseudo B-Team loan arrangement that Dyke is also suggesting. So, a small team in League 2, may enter into an arrangement with (say) Leicester who could then benefit from up to five first team players being loaned to them for the season, along with Leicester coaches, sports science staff etc. It's bad enough that the loan system (which does serve a valuable service) means that some clubs lose a little identity, but with this arrangement you could have only half the first team being owned by the club itself, and I don't know if it could be worse than that if they are also allowed to loan in from elsewhere. If the lower leagues are peppered with Arsenal and Chelsea reserve teams then there will be more focus on competing by entering these arrangements.

I think the thing that galls about this whole study is that it views the Premier League and England team development as being the most important thing, with the Championship the next most important, and every division below that are just there to develop the PL/Champ sides. It loses sight of the local tradition and identity that smaller clubs have.

I don't hate the idea of a separate league for B-Teams, but isn't that what the reserve league is already? Maybe they could look at a pan-european b-team league to add some european experience? Just don't f*ck with the lower league and non-league
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on May 08, 2014, 11:44:10 pm
my tip for ensuring the best english talent doesn't wither away before the age of 22 is to not give them all £25k a week contracts before they've achieved anything.

as far as i can tell, this fa plan means that the top clubs will be able to raid even more decent academy prospects from the rest of the country (for buttons) and put them on £25k a week contracts, and so will have the opposite effect to the one intended.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on May 08, 2014, 11:49:36 pm

Steve off of this site shared this link elsewhere, but apparently not here.

So, read, and enjoy.

http://app.theanfieldwrap.com/issue/08/Page8-how_it_feels_to_be_small.html


+1 to that chap.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 09, 2014, 12:06:40 am

my tip for ensuring the best english talent doesn't wither away before the age of 22 is to not give them all £25k a week contracts before they've achieved anything.

as far as i can tell, this fa plan means that the top clubs will be able to raid even more decent academy prospects from the rest of the country (for buttons) and put them on £25k a week contracts, and so will have the opposite effect to the one intended.


It almost sounds like the sort of plan that a media executive would put forward to help his chums in the media world, if somehow a media executive were able to get himself into a position of some influence in the world of football. But obviously that would be ludicrous, because no-one would ever be stupid enough to tell a fat kid to look after the sweet shop and assume that he wouldn't help himself to the sweets.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on May 09, 2014, 09:04:47 am

jammy sheep shagging b@stards.


Only saw the first half, two things sprung to mind.  The sheep will probably go up, they are very lucky.  Secondly, more good football was played by both sides than I've seen at Forest matches for a good few months.  Some really good one touch passing moves.

Additional question: I've always thought that if the sheep are sheepshaggers then Leicester must be foxfcukers? 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 09, 2014, 10:17:11 am
I've never really got the sheepshaggers thing, in relation to d*rby. It implies they f*ck themselves.....

At least when I'm in a Newport County crowd and they are changing 'We know what we are...f*cking sheepshaggers', we generally ARE trying to score with little Daisy from the field later that night....

I wouldn't f*ck a d*rby fan though. Urgh
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 09, 2014, 10:27:25 am
http://talksport.com/football/read-stan-collymores-evidence-fas-england-commission-14050890330?

note : no B-Teams, but instead more encouragement for an effective reserve league
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 09, 2014, 11:10:20 am
That's the gist of the rant which I posted a link to yesterday. They have a reserves league, stuffed full of 20 and 21 year olds getting thousands (or tens of thousands) pounds per week in wages. Is it really beyond their wit to make that reserves league more effective, rather than playing those same players against conference teams? At conference grounds? On wet weekday evenings in December? A surefire way to motivate your over-paid youth prospects, no doubt.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on May 09, 2014, 11:24:18 am
If the problem is all these English youngsters signing for premier league teams without a prospect of first team football, isn't the answer to discourage them from signing in the first place? Just end the loan system (or restrict it to over 23 year olds), so young English players would sign for lower league teams where they'd learn their trade before being sold on at a profit, which would help bring money back into the lower leagues.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 09, 2014, 11:30:26 am
You know what Charlie. I think that might just be genius. In the 10 seconds I've been thinking about it, I can't see any flaws to it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 09, 2014, 11:37:38 am
I suppose the argument would be that the young starlets (bless em) would then not benefit from the world-class academies and training facilities they would get at the PL clubs, and this in turn would open the door to foreign clubs to come in and sweep them up.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 09, 2014, 11:37:44 am

If the problem is all these English youngsters signing for premier league teams without a prospect of first team football, isn't the answer to discourage them from signing in the first place? Just end the loan system (or restrict it to over 23 year olds), so young English players would sign for lower league teams where they'd learn their trade before being sold on at a profit, which would help bring money back into the lower leagues.


Trouble is that they've just changed the rules on youth development to favour clubs with the best academies. Which, from where we are, is probably the right thing to do because it means the best youngsters get the best coaching. But it does mean that you get a situation where those best youngsters graduate from the best academies and then have nowhere else to go.

I can't think of a way to make it work but if you wanted to be really bold, you'd remove youth development from the top division clubs altogether, apart from retaining the responsibility to fund it and combine that with a restriction on squad sizes and stop them from loaning players out.

So youngsters would come through in the lower divisions where they might get some games (unless or until Billy Davies gets another job) and stockpiling in the top division wouldn't work because they wouldn't be able to give players who weren't ready game time, so they'd stay where they were.

Or go the American route, have an entirely separate "youth development league" and introduce a draft.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 09, 2014, 11:39:33 am

Or go the American route, have an entirely separate "youth development league" and introduce a draft.


Now we are talking.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 09, 2014, 11:47:44 am

If the problem is all these English youngsters signing for premier league teams without a prospect of first team football, isn't the answer to discourage them from signing in the first place? Just end the loan system (or restrict it to over 23 year olds), so young English players would sign for lower league teams where they'd learn their trade before being sold on at a profit, which would help bring money back into the lower leagues.


How would ending the loan system or restricting it to over 23s, discourage clubs from signing the best talent at 16, 17, 18, 19, or 20? They will sign these players to stop their rivals getting them, even if it means they have lots of young player on big wages not getting in the first team. That's what happens at the moment.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 09, 2014, 11:51:54 am

Now we are talking.


So the entire professional game becomes an exclusively over 20s league; in the summer every player who is 20 or will turn 20 before 1st August (or May) becomes available for the draft. Every premier league team gets 5 picks (starting from the team that just won championship, then the team that came second, then play-off winner and then up the league according to finishing position the year before); then every championship team gets four, league 1 three, league 2 two. No compulsion to take your picks if you don't want more players or if no-one left is good enough.

Better than Danny Mills' idea anyway.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 09, 2014, 11:51:59 am

Now we are talking.


There's a lot to be said for that, and also for having wages caps. The problem is, the quid pro quo for all of that will be a sealed Premier'ship' with no promotion or relegation, thus guaranteeing the Premier'ship' income stream to each club, forever.

It never ceases to amaze me that in America they have a communist/collectivist, anti-competitive monopoly approach to sports leagues. In America.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: graham on May 09, 2014, 12:07:54 pm
They also have a written constitution, anchored in the idea of universal citizenship. The pinko b@stards. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on May 09, 2014, 12:41:31 pm
The Premier League is simply moving everything to themselves. Nothing else matters but the teams in the top league and especially the top teams in that league. Ultimately the only answer will be to boycott the whole thing and refuse to be constantly f*cked by those teams.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on May 09, 2014, 12:43:14 pm

How would ending the loan system or restricting it to over 23s, discourage clubs from signing the best talent at 16, 17, 18, 19, or 20? They will sign these players to stop their rivals getting them, even if it means they have lots of young player on big wages not getting in the first team. That's what happens at the moment.


The shift would (hopefully/perhaps/who knows be driven by the youngsters themselves. They would understand that the only way they'd develop properly would be to play regular competitive football, and in the absence of a loan system that would mean they'd have to sign for lower league teams and move up later on in their careers.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 09, 2014, 12:48:40 pm

The shift would (hopefully/perhaps/who knows be driven by the youngsters themselves. They would understand that the only way they'd develop properly would be to play regular competitive football


But there are plenty of them not out on loan, picking up decent wages, as it stands.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on May 09, 2014, 12:53:46 pm

It never ceases to amaze me that in America they have a communist/collectivist, anti-competitive monopoly approach to sports leagues. In America.


You miss the point completely. The draft system is designed to prevent franchise monopolies, hence creating a league where all teams have the opportunity to compete. A competitive league is a more entertaining one. A more entertaining league gets more bums on seats. More bums on seats, the more money this is made.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 09, 2014, 01:34:39 pm
No, I haven't.

There isn't promotion to or relegation from the NFL or AFL, is there? You can apply to join the club, but the club decides how many members it wants, and shares the pot amongst the members. That's a cartel. The Premiersh!ts would probably vote for that arrangement, if they could.

The league is competitive within itself (for the reasons you state), which has considerable attraction;  but also anti-competitive because of the huge barriers to entry to get in it, and the fact that it is almost impossible to fall out of.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on May 09, 2014, 02:02:07 pm

No, I haven't.

There isn't promotion to or relegation from the NFL or AFL, is there? You can apply to join the club, but the club decides how many members it wants, and shares the pot amongst the members. That's a cartel. The Premiersh!ts would probably vote for that arrangement, if they could.


Yes, you have.

There is no promotion or relegation as such, but if you live in a city where you would like to own a club, and you are rich enough, then you can buy an existing franchise and just move it. It happens all the time - even across countries as the Montreal Expos became the Washington Nationals in baseball and the Vancouver Grizzlies became the Memphis Grizzlies in basketball. In basketball there has virtually been a franchise move every other year since 2000.

You can also get "relegated" as well - if your franchise goes bust, which is what has almost happened to both the Dodgers and the Rangers in MLB recently.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Chicago on May 09, 2014, 02:10:27 pm
Relegated how?  Both the Rangers and the Dodgers are still in major league baseball.

You sir are talking cobblers.



Chicago: expert.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 09, 2014, 02:13:15 pm
Yes, he is, but arguing with EBP is a pointless exercise.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on May 09, 2014, 02:18:34 pm

Relegated how?  Both the Rangers and the Dodgers are still in major league baseball.

You sir are talking cobblers.

Chicago: expert.


I said they nearly went bust, not that they did. MLB had to step in prop them up for a while, especially the Rangers.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 09, 2014, 02:32:37 pm

Yes, you have.

There is no promotion or relegation as such, but if you live in a city where you would like to own a club, and you are rich enough, then you can buy an existing franchise and just move it.


No you can't, not really. Look at Quebec and Seattle's attempts to get a hockey team, or LA's longstanding lack of an NFL franchise. It's actually very difficult to get approval to relocate an existing franchise.

Quote
It happens all the time - even across countries as the Montreal Expos became the Washington Nationals in baseball and the Vancouver Grizzlies became the Memphis Grizzlies in basketball. In basketball there has virtually been a franchise move every other year since 2000.


That's not really true though. Not counting the Nets (which wasn't a relocation as such, more just a move to a new stadium) or the Hornets (their move to OKC was temporary because of Katrina) there have been three relocations in the NBA since 2000, and the last franchise to relocate was the Sonics in 2008. Leagues will allow teams to relocate if there's really no future for them in their current location, but it's a last resort and not as you suggest something just done on the whim of a rich man who wants a new plaything.

Quote
You can also get "relegated" as well - if your franchise goes bust, which is what has almost happened to both the Dodgers and the Rangers in MLB recently.


I've literally no idea what you're talking about here.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 09, 2014, 02:34:13 pm

Yes, he is, but arguing with EBP is a pointless exercise.


Oooohhh.

I never spot new pseudonyms.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 09, 2014, 02:34:19 pm

I said they nearly went bust, not that they did. MLB had to step in prop them up for a while, especially the Rangers.


Teams in the NHL, NBA and MLB run into financial difficulties at times (less so the NFL given it's virtually impossible to not make money with an NFL team), but how does that equate to relegation?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BT on May 09, 2014, 02:37:33 pm

Teams in the NHL, NBA and MLB run into financial difficulties at times (less so the NFL given it's virtually impossible to not make money with an NFL team), but how does that equate to relegation?


Well, you've obviously a more informed US Sports fan than me, so I'll have to confess I'm largely talking crap on this one. Please carry on.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on May 09, 2014, 02:57:48 pm

Well, you've obviously a more informed US Sports fan than me, so I'll have to confess I'm largely talking crap on this one. Please carry on.


That rules that one out.  The real EBP would never have given up in less than one page
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on May 09, 2014, 05:18:36 pm

I suppose the argument would be that the young starlets (bless em) would then not benefit from the world-class academies and training facilities they would get at the PL clubs, and this in turn would open the door to foreign clubs to come in and sweep them up.


would they be the same world-class academies and training facilities that have turned out the recent generations of young english players who, given this whole plan has been cooked up, are presumed to be substandard?

some fella on the radio today was making the point that spain has ten qualified coaches for every one that we have. instead of looking for ways to funnel even more youngsters into an (apparently) failing system, we should consider that.

of course, another way of looking at it might be to say that we're doing ok. if there are three english players per team in the most high-profile global leagues then that's not too shabby. england are a fairly solid 'top 8' international side. given that football is the most popular sport around, and given that we lose lots of youngsters to various other sports (and we tend to compete at the highest level of most high-profile sports.. which few other nations do) then why do we expect any better? because we invented it 200 years ago? do the greeks spend any time worrying about why they don't top the medal table in track'n'field.. or do they recognise that it's not really *theirs* anymore?

coming up with plans to make the england side better is fine.. but if those plans trample over the domestic club game, which is more important than the international game (in the opinion of most the people who actually support teams) in this manner, then those plans can go f*ck themselves.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 09, 2014, 06:29:48 pm

Oooohhh.

I never spot new pseudonyms.


Come on. Has no one else noticed? Is it literally/figuratively only me?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on May 09, 2014, 06:37:58 pm
Re Dyke. Makes Game 39 seem halfway sensible.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on May 09, 2014, 09:34:19 pm
I thought it was EBP too
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 11, 2014, 04:52:02 pm
I believe it is now safe to laugh at Liverpool.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 11, 2014, 04:56:06 pm
My day is not complete until I see crying scousers.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 11, 2014, 04:59:48 pm
Will this do to be going on with?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syW7Pqey6bQ
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 11, 2014, 05:15:01 pm
Not sure if I can bring myself to watch d*rby beating Brighton in the hope that they don't.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 11, 2014, 05:16:30 pm

Not sure if I can bring myself to watch d*rby beating Brighton in the hope that they don't.


I fear that we may have to hope for Wemberley heartbreak.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 11, 2014, 05:19:39 pm
I honestly care more about Liverpool not winning the league than I do about d*rby not getting promoted.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 11, 2014, 05:20:53 pm
But both would be nice.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 11, 2014, 05:51:56 pm
Fer f*ckssake, Brighton!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 11, 2014, 05:54:37 pm
Don't worry. They were 1 down last weekend as well.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 11, 2014, 06:10:00 pm
Unfortunately, Darby are a bit better than us.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 11, 2014, 06:33:45 pm
Was it really only eight days ago that Brighton got so excited about their piss-poor team beating our pisser-poorer one?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 11, 2014, 06:37:53 pm
Oh FFS.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on May 11, 2014, 06:39:27 pm
d*rby fans applauded the victims of the Bradford fire

Wouldn't be surprised if Mick Philpott led the applause
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: BrettWilliams on May 11, 2014, 11:06:15 pm

Will this do to be going on with?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syW7Pqey6bQ


I like how Robert Huth tweeted after that game that footballers who cry on the pitch should, in his opinion, be handed an immediate three-match ban.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RC on May 12, 2014, 09:19:17 am
I had a cheeky Jim-esque fiver on Liverpool to win the Prem. Just on the off chance.

Best fiver I ever spent.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on May 12, 2014, 09:34:01 am

I had a cheeky Jim-esque fiver on Liverpool to win the Prem. Just on the off chance.

Best fiver I ever spent.


FIVE POUNDS?!

FIVE WHOLE ENGLISH POUNDS!

That's not Jim-esque. You're in the high rollers there pal.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 12, 2014, 11:31:25 am
Aston Vanilla is up for sale again.

Another reminder that a multi-millionaire owner who has been successful at owning sports teams in other countries is not necessary for life, but more like 4 or 5 seasons, tops.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on May 12, 2014, 02:17:54 pm
You would have to drink a lot of Sake before buying them. Boom boom dish.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on May 12, 2014, 06:07:29 pm
West Brom and Brighton now seeking new managers
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 12, 2014, 06:11:28 pm
d*rby have been the manager killers this year. As well as Brighton and us, I'm sure there was someone else who got sacked after losing to them.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: RD on May 12, 2014, 06:16:06 pm

d*rby have been the manager killers this year. As well as Brighton and us, I'm sure there was someone else who got sacked after losing to them.


Not surprised - it's a f*cking embarassment
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on May 12, 2014, 07:55:26 pm
i presume it's only that final day draw against the sheep that's kept mcdermott in a job at lees. in fairness, they'd lost about ten on the bounce against d*rby.. so he's shown progress.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 12, 2014, 08:52:32 pm
Apparently he's the bookies' favourite for the WBA job, which is..... odd.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 12, 2014, 09:04:00 pm

Apparently he's the bookies' favourite for the WBA job, which is..... odd.


McDermott? Really?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 12, 2014, 09:12:02 pm

McDermott? Really?


As ever, odds for a market like that are driven entirely by the money rather than the likelihood of it happening, but still. Someone placed enough money to move his odds from 80-1 to 2-1 today.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on May 12, 2014, 09:43:55 pm

As ever, odds for a market like that are driven entirely by the money rather than the likelihood of it happening, but still. Someone placed enough money to move his odds from 80-1 to 2-1 today.


SHAAAADY?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on May 13, 2014, 08:52:29 am
Looks like Garcia is not a case of falling on his sword but rather he wants a Premier League or La Liga job. There have been rumblings about him not buying into Brighton's transfer policy and desire to meet the requirements of FFP.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on May 13, 2014, 11:31:46 am
The Leicester owner reckons it will cost him £180m over 3 seasons to make Leicester a top 5 Premier League club.

Tony Fernandes maybe thought the same.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on May 13, 2014, 11:35:26 am

The Leicester owner reckons it will cost him £180m over 3 seasons to make Leicester a top 5 Premier League club.

Tony Fernandes maybe thought the same.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27387616

Great stats from the BBC:

Leicester in Europe
1961-62 (European Cup Winners' Cup): 1st rd
1997-98 (Uefa Cup): 1st rd
2000-01 (Uefa Cup): 1st rd
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dave Rave on May 13, 2014, 11:46:41 am
So it took Leicester's billionaire owners 4 years to achieve promotion. Our millionaire owner has had 2 years so far.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on May 13, 2014, 01:57:30 pm
Spare a little thought for James Perch today.  He's had all our play-off misery plus now some more with Wigan.  I think he's scored 3 goals now in play-off semis and never made a final.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on May 13, 2014, 02:08:15 pm
Was he also relegated from the Premier Leagueship with Noocassul?

Still, at least he got there.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on May 14, 2014, 05:46:00 pm

The Leicester owner reckons it will cost him £180m over 3 seasons to make Leicester a top 5 Premier League club.


Have they signed Hubris yet?

I'd have thought aiming to survive 3 seasons would be a good place to start.  Still, it won't stop our owner saying something equally bonkers if we ever manage to get promoted in his tenure.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on May 14, 2014, 05:52:29 pm
So each of the bottom three in the Premier League this year earned at least £62.1m from the broadcasting deal.  That has to make them all favourites to go straight back up, how can any of the Championship teams compete with that sort of spending power?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27411682


Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: des on May 14, 2014, 06:39:10 pm
Yet if our owner spends a third of that on us, we're in breach of the regulations.

Financial Fair Play indeed.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 14, 2014, 08:07:08 pm
Absolute bullsh!t isn't it. FFS.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 14, 2014, 08:19:47 pm

Absolute bullsh!t isn't it. FFS.


FFP.

HTH.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 14, 2014, 09:57:30 pm

Yet if our owner spends a third of that on us, we're in breach of the regulations.

Financial Fair Play indeed.


One would think that a wealthy man could quite creatively get round it by simply placing the money equivalent to all the players' current contracts in an escrow account linked to said contracts, and then invited the Football League to demonstrate to a court of law why he was doing anything to breach FFP that teams with parachute payments weren't. In fact, he could probably argue that his club was now better insulated against financial collapse as a result of wages than a team with parachute payments.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on May 15, 2014, 08:11:14 am
Brighton's Chairman has suggested that changes are afoot with FFP which will change Brighton's budget for next season - Presumably they are going to make it easier for rich owners to spend. I don't think that's the answer personally but it's probably the closest we'll get to one.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Dean on May 15, 2014, 12:12:54 pm
Benito Carbone joins Leeds as a consultant responsible for their "technical and football operations"

Whatever that entails
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 15, 2014, 12:25:53 pm

Benito Carbone joins Leeds as a consultant responsible for their "technical and football operations"

Whatever that entails


It sounds better than 'cone putter-outter'
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 15, 2014, 06:30:10 pm
Leeds' new owner seems to make Fawaz look quite mild.

http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2014-05-14/exclusive-interview-new-leeds-owner-massimo-cellino-says-united-has-no-manager/

I suspect that things aren't going to end well if he's trying to get McDermott to resign rather than sacking him.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on May 15, 2014, 09:10:42 pm
Remind me how that went at Cardiff.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 16, 2014, 12:17:16 am
Albion Rovers' season ticket pricing strategy for 2014 is to invite fans to pay what they can afford or what they think is fair. Minimum price is ten quid plus a pound P&P.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 16, 2014, 11:51:21 am

Albion Rovers' season ticket pricing strategy for 2014 is to invite fans to pay what they can afford or what they think is fair. Minimum price is ten quid plus a pound P&P.


I would pay a tenner, although don't actually know who they are
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 16, 2014, 02:52:04 pm
We should each buy a season ticket at Albion Rovers for a tenner and then never go, and do so in such a way as the empty seats each week spell out the word c*nt.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Brid on May 16, 2014, 02:55:31 pm

We should each buy a season ticket at Albion Rovers for a tenner and then never go, and do so in such a way as the empty seats each week spell out the word c*nt.


They have seats?  In Coatbridge?  Where were they nicked from?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 16, 2014, 03:05:16 pm

We should each buy a season ticket at Albion Rovers for a tenner and then never go, and do so in such a way as the empty seats each week spell out the word c*nt.
Thats an excellent idea
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 16, 2014, 03:12:39 pm

They have seats?  In Coatbridge?  Where were they nicked from?


There are suspiciously few seats at Prestwick Airport,
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 20, 2014, 12:22:44 pm
http://dispatchesfromafootballsofa.com/2014/05/19/how-we-can-change-football/

A few obvious, but good, thoughts in there. The more people voice these ideas, the better.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 20, 2014, 12:42:05 pm
I actually think the point is being missed here.  These completely useless proposals are little to do with saving the England team, and everything to do with ruining any competition for the premiership franchises. 

If you really wanted a broad pyramid based game, with league clubs developing good young talent in a competitive environment, all you would need to do is narrow the income gap between the top and bottom clubs, and protect investment in a clubs youth product and allow the developing club to profit from their development.

English football is being turned into a premiership product franchise system, and a historical irrelevance. It might already be too late to save it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 20, 2014, 12:48:20 pm

I actually think the point is being missed here.  These completely useless proposals are little to do with saving the England team, and everything to do with ruining any competition for the premiership franchises. 

If you really wanted a broad pyramid based game, with league clubs developing good young talent in a competitive environment, all you would need to do is narrow the income gap between the top and bottom clubs, and protect investment in a clubs youth product and allow the developing club to profit from their development.

English football is being turned into a premiership product franchise system, and a historical irrelevance. It might already be too late to save it.


Which article is that a comment on, Tricky?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: DaveM on May 20, 2014, 12:51:13 pm
Fix football?

I suggest we get rid of  the yawn-enducing promotion and relegation.

Then we should affiliate all Champ league clubs with a Premier League club, ditto for League 1 and 2 (we could call this AAA, AA and A)

Then we should allow the premier league clubs to move to the most sensible geography in order to maximise local markets (it makes no sense having so many clubs in the north west....one could quite easily move to Devon, to maximise the south-western demographic).

Then all we need to do is implement 25 and 40 man rosters, and we are all set

Oh, and it should be mandatory for 50% of professional players to chew tobacco during games.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 20, 2014, 01:07:28 pm

Which article is that a comment on, Tricky?


It's not a comment on an article, it's a comment on the state of the game and it's governance.

It's an observation that everyone seems to be seeking an artificial solution to a problem entirely brought about by lack of income equality as a result of pandering to the premier league and all it's little minions.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on May 20, 2014, 02:02:31 pm
Yaya Toure's agent is talking about him leaving Man City because nobody said happy birthday)
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 20, 2014, 02:23:58 pm
Could we afford him, and Ashley Cole? Maybe TCDAJFU.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on May 20, 2014, 03:56:14 pm

It's an observation that everyone seems to be seeking an artificial solution to a problem entirely brought about by lack of income equality as a result of pandering to the premier league and all it's little minions.


That's not true though. As you say the Premier League is taking everything over for it's own benefit, it simply dresses it up as al these other things to try to pretend that isn't what it's doing. What fans are to some extent starting to say now is we need to stop it and that might mean boycotting games en masse - which will  be tricky to organise as someone will always fill the seats at the moment, but at least it's starting to be said.

We either need to get the whole structure overthrown by boycotting it or we need to get the Football League to break away fully from the Premier League and support that, even though it will obviously have less money and a lower standard of technical football, made up for hopefully by a being a better competition.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 20, 2014, 04:03:54 pm
OIFBC have signed Alan Smith.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 20, 2014, 04:19:35 pm

That's not true though. As you say the Premier League is taking everything over for it's own benefit, it simply dresses it up as al these other things to try to pretend that isn't what it's doing. What fans are to some extent starting to say now is we need to stop it and that might mean boycotting games en masse - which will  be tricky to organise as someone will always fill the seats at the moment, but at least it's starting to be said.

We either need to get the whole structure overthrown by boycotting it or we need to get the Football League to break away fully from the Premier League and support that, even though it will obviously have less money and a lower standard of technical football, made up for hopefully by a being a better competition.


Its just inexorable progress towards a premier league one and two, a European league, and an inconsequential lower league for player development. The power ship has has sailed. f*ck all the likes of us can do about it.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 20, 2014, 04:54:29 pm

Its just inexorable progress towards a premier league one and two, a European league, and an inconsequential lower league for player development. The power ship has has sailed. f*ck all the likes of us can do about it.


That's just wrong. If fans don't turn up to games, the clubs will look stupid. It will be deeply embarrassing for the Premier Ship, and the FA. They will have to start listening to what supporters are saying to them. The clubs in the top flight don't need gate receipts, but do they really want to be seen playing to empty grounds, or grounds full of freebie tickets and kids? No. The sponsors won't like it, because it's the exact opposite of the 'brand' which the Premier Ship has been selling all this time.

To begin with at least this is not about fans protesting about ticket prices somehow causing a fundamental restructuring of football in England. Of course not. But everything has to start somewhere, and there's absolutely no reason for supporters of lower and middling Premier Ship clubs to keep paying vast sums, get shafted, and get nothing in return.  If they get organised, they can achieve quite a lot. It's apathy that prevents it from happening.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: charlie on May 20, 2014, 05:09:49 pm

That's just wrong. If fans don't turn up to games, the clubs will look stupid. It will be deeply embarrassing for the Premier Ship, and the FA. They will have to start listening to what supporters are saying to them. The clubs in the top flight don't need gate receipts, but do they really want to be seen playing to empty grounds, or grounds full of freebie tickets and kids? No. The sponsors won't like it, because it's the exact opposite of the 'brand' which the Premier Ship has been selling all this time.

To begin with at least this is not about fans protesting about ticket prices somehow causing a fundamental restructuring of football in England. Of course not. But everything has to start somewhere, and there's absolutely no reason for supporters of lower and middling Premier Ship clubs to keep paying vast sums, get shafted, and get nothing in return.  If they get organised, they can achieve quite a lot. It's apathy that prevents it from happening.


I nominate jp for Captain of the Premier Ship Scuttling campaign.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Duck for Cover on May 20, 2014, 05:33:39 pm

That's just wrong. If fans don't turn up to games, the clubs will look stupid. It will be deeply embarrassing for the Premier Ship, and the FA.


Are you not assuming that sufficient fans of the top teams actually care about what happens beneath the Premier?  I am not convinced that they do.  The majority of Man U, Arsenal, Chelski fans that I talk to regularly have lost all concept of what happens elsewhere in this country.  What happens in La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga is of greater interest to them as they have the teams they will be playing against and the players they want to see poached are there too.

It worries me that one day the rest of the football pyramid will be set adrift.  If we're not a part of it then the days of NFFC as we know it will be numbered. 
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 20, 2014, 07:02:45 pm

Albion Rovers' season ticket pricing strategy for 2014 is to invite fans to pay what they can afford or what they think is fair. Minimum price is ten quid plus a pound P&P.

A pound! Second class stamps only cost 53p. f*cking profiteers.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Richoriginal on May 20, 2014, 07:39:56 pm

A pound! Second class stamps only cost 53p. f*cking profiteers.


What about the cost of the envelope? Who's going to pay for that then eh? Envelopes don't grow on trees you know.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mangetout on May 20, 2014, 08:27:46 pm

OIFBC have signed Alan Smith.

Which one?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Lessred on May 20, 2014, 08:29:54 pm
Ex crystal palace manager. App got a real turn of pace
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Mangetout on May 20, 2014, 09:24:35 pm

Ex crystal palace manager. App got a real turn of pace


Shame. Was hoping for the hawk-nosed Arsenal legend and Lineker sub.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on May 20, 2014, 09:32:13 pm

That's just wrong. If fans don't turn up to games, the clubs will look stupid. It will be deeply embarrassing for the Premier Ship, and the FA. They will have to start listening to what supporters are saying to them. The clubs in the top flight don't need gate receipts, but do they really want to be seen playing to empty grounds, or grounds full of freebie tickets and kids? No. The sponsors won't like it, because it's the exact opposite of the 'brand' which the Premier Ship has been selling all this time.


they only need the glam clubs to retain a decent level of 'in the ground' support. if there are only 12,000 people at southampton vs swansea nobody gives a sh!t because that's not what the sponsors and the tv companies are interested in. those games only exist because the lesser clubs are needed in the prem so that the important ones have got someone to play.

those glam clubs will have a good number of fans who don't like what's happening and might stay away... but there won't be anywhere near enough of them to make a difference. manyoo lost a number of fans to 'fc united' that would have made a notable dent in the attendance figures at most clubs.. but responded by adding another 20k seats to old trafford to fit in a few more of the vast number of people who don't give a sh!t about the 'history' of the game, or the 'integrity' of the football pyramid.

the way the english league has worked in the past (y'know, in a way in which a man like brian clough could do what brian clough did) is the exception in elite sport, not the rule. so in trying to focus everything towards the interests of a narrow elite shouldn't be seen as an attempt to break from a glorious and successful tradition, but rather as the inevitable march towards 'how things are' in the modern era. the game will be split, either explicitly or effectively, and supporters can't stop that. they can, should they be so minded, positively shape what happens next. the football league is a viable proposition, and could be even moreso *without* the uber-dosh opportunity to make it into the prem. if supporters were to embrace that then it would be great. if the choice were mine then i probably would split the premiership off on it's own.. but it would be *us* cutting *them* off, not vice-versa. f*ck-em.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Hucknall Steve on May 20, 2014, 10:02:15 pm
That is going to happen, slowly, death by a thousand cuts, but between the Championship and League One. The Premier League cannot be a complete closed shop. but parachute payments will restrict opening hours.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Jüânfrân on May 20, 2014, 11:43:31 pm
The thing is, it will be the lesser Prem clubs who force it through as they are the ones most under threat from relegation (I'm thinking of Mr anti-football Phil the cnut Gartside here, may notlob forever be fcukin sh!te).
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 21, 2014, 11:10:25 am

That is going to happen, slowly, death by a thousand cuts, but between the Championship and League One. The Premier League cannot be a complete closed shop. but parachute payments will restrict opening hours.


That's what people have been saying for years. And yet, for the last two seasons none of the top 3 teams in the championship had a parachute payment.

Until premierleagueship teams stop spending every penny available to them on player wages, the closed shop won't happen because a fair proportion will continue to be financially f*cked by relegation, even with a parachute payment.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: noodlé on May 21, 2014, 11:19:59 am

That's what people have been saying for years. And yet, for the last two seasons none of the top 3 teams in the championship had a parachute payment.

Until premierleagueship teams stop spending every penny available to them on player wages, the closed shop won't happen because a fair proportion will continue to be financially f*cked by relegation, even with a parachute payment.


don't forget that ffp now means that clubs without parachute payments will be fined and prevented from signing players if they have the temerity to spend any more than a 3rd of what the recently-relegated will be allowed to spend.

every little helps.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 21, 2014, 11:25:19 am

don't forget that ffp now means that clubs without parachute payments will be fined and prevented from signing players if they have the temerity to spend any more than a 3rd of what the recently-relegated will be allowed to spend.

every little helps.


Well, the championship clubs voted that on themselves. And at least two of this season's top 3 are within FFP rules anyway.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 21, 2014, 11:40:21 am

Well, the championship clubs voted that on themselves. And at least two of this season's top 3 are within FFP rules anyway.


Sure, and there are good reasons for it.  But it does rather seed the advantage to relegated clubs with their enhanced parachute payments. If they were well run clubs, and their players didn't all stop playing at the lower level, most existing championship clubs would stay that.

Money talks.....it's not about transfer fees, but total player wage bill.  There is a strong correlation between spend, and league position.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 21, 2014, 11:47:22 am

Money talks.....it's not about transfer fees, but total player wage bill.  There is a strong correlation between spend, and league position.


Not so much in the championship:
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/453796164740337664
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on May 21, 2014, 11:52:11 am

if the choice were mine then i probably would split the premiership off on it's own.. but it would be *us* cutting *them* off, not vice-versa. f*ck-em.


The Football League needs to grow the balls to do this and cut off the Premier League on its own terms not theirs. The problem is that several of the Football Leagues clubs won't want that route cutting off until they've got through it. The key point will probably therefore be a PL2 so that those clubs are catered for, with a Football League operating below that.

It would look a lot like the women's game does now, although the Football League should be able to garner considerably greater support and financial backing than the WPL currently does.


Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 21, 2014, 12:58:36 pm

Not so much in the championship:
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/453796164740337664


Adjust for this in relation to the relegated premier league clubs...

....If they were well run clubs, and their players didn't all stop playing at the lower level...


...and there is a degree of correlation.  There will always be the scope for a team to have an outstanding season (Palace in the year that you quote), or f*ck up a good position big stylee (us this season), but the correlation between spend and position exists and is broadly applicable.

People always talk about Coughies great achievements with provincial club Nottingham Forest, and taking them to the top of the English football tree....and it was indeed that. What is often overlooked is that we were one of the top few players in that time....not transfer fees (though we did our fair share of that), but wages.

Football has always been about the money, to a degree.  Make the disparity bigger, and you make bridging the gap harder. Which is what those with their noses in the top flight trough know, and are manipulating to their advantage.  With earnings gaps the way that they are between the divisions, English football is not sustainable under the current historical model. Right now is a very good time indeed to find yourself around the top of the tree.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 21, 2014, 03:34:25 pm
I basically agree.

But I think the thing that breaks the model of a 23 club pool of premierleagueship teams that everyone has been talking about for so long is that the ones that get relegated tend not to be well run and do have players that can't be bothered at the lower level.

Bizarrely as the money, and the parachute money, in particular,  has gone up, the premierleagueship seems to have become less of a closed shop. It's counter-intuitive - the only explanation I can offer is that clubs "earning" those ridiculous, disproportionate sums become bloated, lazy and vulnerable.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 21, 2014, 06:33:21 pm

I basically agree.

But I think the thing that breaks the model of a 23 club pool of premierleagueship teams that everyone has been talking about for so long is that the ones that get relegated tend not to be well run and do have players that can't be bothered at the lower level.

Bizarrely as the money, and the parachute money, in particular,  has gone up, the premierleagueship seems to have become less of a closed shop. It's counter-intuitive - the only explanation I can offer is that clubs "earning" those ridiculous, disproportionate sums become bloated, lazy and vulnerable.


In some cases they spend ahead of receiving the money either to 'push on' (QPR, Blackburn), or to cling on (Bolton, Wolves). When it goes titsup the legacy is already spent, and the problems in reconstructing a playing squad and club structure are significant.

So the lesson that should be learned is that clubs should build without going for the sh!t or bust option, and inch the club forward over time (WBA, Swansea). Unfortunately it takes time to achieve other than the sh!t or bust option, and because nobody else is playing the sensible game, and rich owners want a quick exposure to the adoration and the sunlight of 'the show', then sensible goes out of the window.

The scary thing is to ask yourself this frightening question. Where are we in terms of debt, and sustainability, were we to lose our money tree?  We are already going sh!t or bust, and we're not the only ones.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: steve on May 22, 2014, 09:10:18 am

The scary thing is to ask yourself this frightening question. Where are we in terms of debt, and sustainability, were we to lose our money tree?  We are already going sh!t or bust, and we're not the only ones.


The sad thing is we've been playing a version of this game for a long time now and got nowhere with it, yet we still want to keep playing the same game.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on May 22, 2014, 12:52:51 pm
Harry Knappsack's grandson (Jamie's nephew)has signed for Bournemuff (academy), making him the third generation Knappsack to represent them.

Woooo...
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Russ on May 22, 2014, 06:48:39 pm
This will amuse and/or please some people on here greatly.

http://www.leedsunited.com/news/article/livwmyrumf151xcipqpi9ig11/title/201415-season-tickets-card-payments
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: JimShady on May 22, 2014, 06:51:21 pm
It will indeed!!!!
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 23, 2014, 08:18:03 am

In some cases they spend ahead of receiving the money either to 'push on' (QPR, Blackburn), or to cling on (Bolton, Wolves). When it goes titsup the legacy is already spent, and the problems in reconstructing a playing squad and club structure are significant.

So the lesson that should be learned is that clubs should build without going for the sh!t or bust option, and inch the club forward over time (WBA, Swansea). Unfortunately it takes time to achieve other than the sh!t or bust option, and because nobody else is playing the sensible game, and rich owners want a quick exposure to the adoration and the sunlight of 'the show', then sensible goes out of the window.

The scary thing is to ask yourself this frightening question. Where are we in terms of debt, and sustainability, were we to lose our money tree?  We are already going sh!t or bust, and we're not the only ones.


Judging by this

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/22/club-by-club-guide-championship-finances-2012-2013?CMP=twt_gu

everyone is doing it, almost without exception.




Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: a JP on May 23, 2014, 03:40:30 pm
This article is worth a read.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/may/23/jack-rodwell-manchester-city-yaya-toure
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 24, 2014, 07:15:02 am
Raining in London. Hope that the managers in this afternoon remember to bring an umbrella and a cup-a-soup to keep themselves dry and warm.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seán on May 24, 2014, 09:29:23 am
I may have to steal that......
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: redeye on May 24, 2014, 03:00:27 pm
tickled me watching him get soaked in his suit.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 24, 2014, 03:23:49 pm
Good to see a d*rby player acting like a c*nt. Thorn goes down injured and they whinge until the referee stops play, with QPR in possession. Then Martin boots the drop ball out for a goal kick.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 24, 2014, 03:28:23 pm
Should've just had a penalty though.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 24, 2014, 03:29:58 pm
From a dive?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 24, 2014, 03:35:46 pm

From a dive?


Did you think? Looked to me that Dunne took his feet from under him as he slid. If he dived, why wasn't he booked for it?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 24, 2014, 03:51:16 pm

Did you think? Looked to me that Dunne took his feet from under him as he slid. If he dived, why wasn't he booked for it?

Well, if it was a penalty, why didn't he give a penalty?

d*rby have played the better but at least QPR are a bit more robust at the back than Brighton were in the semis.

Anyone's game. Is there any way both teams can lose?
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 24, 2014, 03:53:49 pm

Did you think? Looked to me that Dunne took his feet from under him as he slid. If he dived, why wasn't he booked for it?


Penalty for me, though it's slightly amusing because the little albino has been diving all season. When he hasn't, at the most important time, his reputation has cost him.

Have to say I've enjoyed the way d*rby have played and dominated.  Nicely set up for QPR to rob them near the end.  Might have a minor shady on QPR 2-0 at 20/1 (one around about 80 mins, one in the dying seconds as d*rby push).

Let me be clear here, I actually want d*rby to win here, despite personal connections.  QPR are a horrible little club at the moment.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 24, 2014, 03:55:31 pm
Clearly either way the referee is a coward.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 24, 2014, 03:57:07 pm

Clearly either way the referee is a coward.


It's reassuring at least that they have a championship standard referee, refereeing the showcase championship game.  I've barely seen one this season that wanted to make a decision, and those that did rarely did better than a random number generator.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on May 24, 2014, 03:57:49 pm
They've just clearly shown why it wasn't a penalty, horrible diving c*nt.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: tricky on May 24, 2014, 04:00:41 pm

They've just clearly shown why it wasn't a penalty, horrible diving c*nt.


Except if contact on Hughes stops him turning inside, without the ball being played, then it's a foul. Players don't have to end on the floor for a foul to have occurred....it's just that they have learned that they have to hurl themselves to the deck to get anything in the box. See 'defending' from corners.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon on May 24, 2014, 04:17:28 pm
unfortunately didn't bottle the red.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Seven on May 24, 2014, 04:17:37 pm
The 'contact' wouldn't have knocked a 90 year old woman over. Never a penalty.
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Nottingham Florist on May 24, 2014, 04:18:23 pm
"They only had 10 men."
Title: Re: Them there t'other clubs
Post by: Loafé on May 24, 2014, 04:47:44 pm
HA!