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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Them there t'other clubs
Last post by tricky -
Of course they did. Not in the sense of how previous parachute clubs have "bought" promotion perhaps, but in a far more literal sense. Every player who was in their squad was purchased, some of them very expensively. They've bought really astutely, they've spent a few years buying low and making them better and selling high, but they bought promotion.
 
That's pretty disingenuous, or a gross misunderstanding. They built their squad, developed their resources, players and financial, through incremental stages of recruitment, development, sales,   recruitment. Until they were competitive.

They didn't take a big starting pot and go sh!t or bust.


The whole point is to trade well and improve, to the point that you can compete with those with more resources. Unlike the somewhat stupid Forest model, which appears to take better starting resources,  and squander them.

They developed their club until it achieved top flight status.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Them there t'other clubs
Last post by Russ -
They didn't buy promotion, that's what we've tried to do but have done badly, they incrementally improved. And they aren't held up as a step by step guide but as a club  with a clear understanding of its strengths and weaknesses and a clear plan for maximising the former and mitigating the latter.

Of course they did. Not in the sense of how previous parachute clubs have "bought" promotion perhaps, but in a far more literal sense. Every player who was in their squad was purchased, some of them very expensively. They've bought really astutely, they've spent a few years buying low and making them better and selling high, but they bought promotion.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: What's pleasing me today
Last post by Russ -
First round of Joshua and the other bloke. Striking how much more athletic and mobile they are, than heavyweights have tended to become. Quite a weird moment to see them dancing around like Ali.

It's much more of a spectacle.

Just turned it on in time for the 8th, I see what you mean. Impressive that two men that size are still so mobile after 24 minutes.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Them there t'other clubs
Last post by steve -
They didn't buy promotion, that's what we've tried to do but have done badly, they incrementally improved. And they aren't held up as a step by step guide but as a club  with a clear understanding of its strengths and weaknesses and a clear plan for maximising the former and mitigating the latter.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Them there t'other clubs
Last post by Russ -
There's also no requirement to scrap your academy to follow a value recruitment and incremental improvement strategy. I don't know, but I imagine, that in Brentford's case, the academy status, competition for talent,  and developmental pathways with local clubs made it difficult for it to return value, so they didn't do it. Our academy is returning value now,   can continue to do so, so we should continue to do it.

Yes, I think the competition that Brentford faced was the primary reason for scrapping it.

The one thing that we can be proud of is that since the days of Nigel Doughty and Paul Hart, the club has remained committed to the Academy and it has to varying degrees been something of a production line of talent. You can be very sure that every fan, coach and administrator down the A52 looks enviously at how we have consistently discovered, developed and sold talent.

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The point isn't to be John Malkovich, I mean Brentford. It's to have a clear long term achievable incremental strategy like Brentford.

Sometimes I don't know whether Russ is aping stupid out of mischief, or has just latched on to the only way possible of getting something out of following forest.

Neither, I just hate them being held up as any kind of model to which to aspire, other than their recruitment processes being necessarily well tuned. They are not an example of a club doing promotion right, when they did what everyone professes to not want to do in that they exclusively bought their way to promotion. They just did it really well.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: What's pleasing me today
Last post by tricky -
First round of Joshua and the other bloke. Striking how much more athletic and mobile they are, than heavyweights have tended to become. Quite a weird moment to see them dancing around like Ali.

It's much more of a spectacle.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Them there t'other clubs
Last post by tricky -
There's also no requirement to scrap your academy to follow a value recruitment and incremental improvement strategy. I don't know, but I imagine, that in Brentford's case, the academy status, competition for talent,  and developmental pathways with local clubs made it difficult for it to return value, so they didn't do it. Our academy is returning value now,   can continue to do so, so we should continue to do it.

The point isn't to be John Malkovich, I mean Brentford. It's to have a clear long term achievable incremental strategy like Brentford.

Sometimes I don't know whether Russ is aping stupid out of mischief, or has just latched on to the only way possible of getting something out of following forest.