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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Here is the news
Last post by karlmark -
@noodlé I have no idea as to why the UN commissioned this report. But, it gets to the point where you think: if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then....

It's been a long time in the making; you can't suddenly move a large portion of your population from surviving to barely subsisting, so it's not just about Tory policies. It's about the paradigm shift in economics that began in the 1970s, the effects of which are now coming fully to realisation.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Here is the news
Last post by noodlé -
Is the UN bod for ‘extreme poverty’ going to be doing reports on the other rich countries that have these issues?

I’m nowhere near close enough to parse that and see what might be legitimate criticism and what (if any) might be ‘politically motivated’,  but I have come to learn a lot about how the unemployed, disabled and other underprivileged groups are dealt with in Australia... and I hear plenty about the US... and I wonder if the UK deserves a punishment beating from the UN or if, perhaps, what’s happened there is part of something much bigger and ought be presented as such (assuming that it was not).

I know putting it all on Tories and austerity is a convenient shorthand. And not without merit as such. But there’s been not austerity in Australia, yet unemployment benefits are miles below the poverty line and haven’t had a real increase for 25 years. Recent surveys found that an unemployed person couldn’t reasonably make rent for a single available property in any Australian capital city. Not one. At least we (and you) have a reasonable degree of healthcare coverage, I guess, even though it’s never enough. Americans don’t even get that.

It’s not that there isn’t a problem. Just that it’s probably not a particularly British one. If the UN wanted to do anything useful wouldn’t they see what was seen in the UK and say ‘f*ck, if this happens in one incredibly rich country, we need to go to the others and see how far it goes’, surely?

This isn’t whataboutery. Whatever happens elsewhere doesn’t give the UK a pass. What happens here angers me. Same goes for the comparable stuff there. I’d have been pretty sceptical about that report a few years ago but my eyes have been opened and I’m embarrassed at historic me. Where I probably depart from many is in apportioning responsibility. I blame long-term systems, media, and societal attitudes more than I blame the politicians I disagree with.. whilst not discounting the relationships between those actors.
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The Daily Cut and Thrust / Re: Here is the news
Last post by Simon. Not Steve or Nazimon -
The interest lies in how it could happen. We all know that many want her gone, but she doesn't want to go. What mechanisms exist that could make her walk by the end of today?

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Robert Peston
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And as you probably know, such is widespread Tory fury and despair with PM’s approach to securing Brexit, 1922 executive committee may well decide tonight to temporarily suspend rule and allow immediate no confidence vote in @theresa_may as Tory leader

Nothing's going to change with her in charge, so we may as well move onto the next stage - wasting a few weeks (?) of our extension period on another Tory leadership election. (At least the clock wasn't ticking during the last one.)